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Post by martin44 on Apr 2, 2019 21:50:53 GMT
They'll make it legally binding in the extra time of the extension. No one, not a single person, trusts this government's words anymore. Mixing a few metaphors.... It does feel a little bit like it's gone to extra time and we're now in a penalty knockout, only neither side can score, partly because they don't know where the goal is. The crowd is getting restless. Whereas normally they'd be whistling at the ref to call time, now they're whistling at the players. Because they are useless. It wouldn't be so bad if the respective teams were more intent on the game, but no, they prefer showing off in front of the crowd, goalies included. "It's behind you", shouts one part of the crowd. "Oh no it's not" shouts the other section. Cue a sort of slightly embarrassed "but I'm in it till we win it" aural Mexican wave. No wall either, because them players. Meanwhile some get bored and just go off looking for a pie and a pint. EDIT: I'd pay good money for Kenneth Wolstenholme to pipe up sharpish. I've never actually heard a crowd calling for the ref to call time during a penalty shootout... i call it shootout, you call it knockout..
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Post by IFISAcava on Apr 2, 2019 21:56:53 GMT
If May adds (say) Customs Union to 'her' deal, it'll be in the Political Declaration not the Withdrawal Act (legally binding and unchangeable according to the EU). The former isn't legally binding and is simply the basis of future negotiations with the EU. As such it can be changed by the next PM and/or by the EU. Seems odd for MPs to get worked up about its current form. The problem is "Customs Union" is so at odds with the leave majority's version of "Leave" that it is extremely difficult to accept, even though it may be negotiated differently in the later political declaration, true brexiteers will never accept a customs union, unfortunately, true brexiteers are, in parliament, the minority. Edit. Even though the tory and labour manifesto's agreed to honour the 2016 vote. As I also said some time ago - "two nil, and they f****d it up". If there ends up being a soft Brexit, or no Brexit, the ERG & Hard Brexiteers need to take a long look at themselves. Three opportunities - three winnable votes - for a Hard Brexit (no CU & no SM after the transition) and they voted against. It's almost like, when they were so close, they couldn't bear the possibility that the reality wouldn't live up to their fantasies. Or perhaps, just perhaps, they really do believe that remaining is better than May's deal and nothing but a "clean", no deal, "pure", instant Brexit is worth having...
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Post by IFISAcava on Apr 2, 2019 21:58:17 GMT
They'll make it legally binding in the extra time of the extension. No one, not a single person, trusts this government's words anymore. Mixing a few metaphors.... It does feel a little bit like it's gone to extra time and we're now in a penalty knockout, only neither side can score, partly because they don't know where the goal is. The crowd is getting restless. Whereas normally they'd be whistling at the ref to call time, now they're whistling at the players. Because they are useless. It wouldn't be so bad if the respective teams were more intent on the game, but no, they prefer showing off in front of the crowd, goalies included. "It's behind you", shouts one part of the crowd. "Oh no it's not" shouts the other section. Cue a sort of slightly embarrassed "but I'm in it till we win it" aural Mexican wave. No wall either, because them players. Meanwhile some get bored and just go off looking for a pie and a pint. EDIT: I'd pay good money for Kenneth Wolstenholme to pipe up sharpish. See my other post for my take on what the crowd might shout
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Post by carolus on Apr 2, 2019 22:01:28 GMT
They'll make it legally binding in the extra time of the extension. No one, not a single person, trusts this government's words anymore. Mixing a few metaphors.... It does feel a little bit like it's gone to extra time and we're now in a penalty knockout, only neither side can score, partly because they don't know where the goal is. The crowd is getting restless. Whereas normally they'd be whistling at the ref to call time, now they're whistling at the players. Because they are useless. It wouldn't be so bad if the respective teams were more intent on the game, but no, they prefer showing off in front of the crowd, goalies included. "It's behind you", shouts one part of the crowd. "Oh no it's not" shouts the other section. Cue a sort of slightly embarrassed "but I'm in it till we win it" aural Mexican wave. No wall either, because them players. Meanwhile some get bored and just go off looking for a pie and a pint. EDIT: I'd pay good money for Kenneth Wolstenholme to pipe up sharpish. I'm reminded rather more of a different football metaphor, suggested by IFISAcava back in december EDIT: I see I'm not the only one who remembers it!
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2019 22:05:11 GMT
Looking forward to seeing comments in the papers tomorrow to see who's more upset: -Telegraph Leave voters blaming May for trying to deliver non-Brexit and for reaching out to Corbyn, or -Guardian Remain voters blaming Corbyn for agreeing to help May get the failing Tory Brexit over the line
Who knew politics could be so much fun?
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Apr 2, 2019 22:09:09 GMT
Mixing a few metaphors.... It does feel a little bit like it's gone to extra time and we're now in a penalty knockout, only neither side can score, partly because they don't know where the goal is. The crowd is getting restless. Whereas normally they'd be whistling at the ref to call time, now they're whistling at the players. Because they are useless. It wouldn't be so bad if the respective teams were more intent on the game, but no, they prefer showing off in front of the crowd, goalies included. "It's behind you", shouts one part of the crowd. "Oh no it's not" shouts the other section. Cue a sort of slightly embarrassed "but I'm in it till we win it" aural Mexican wave. No wall either, because them players. Meanwhile some get bored and just go off looking for a pie and a pint. EDIT: I'd pay good money for Kenneth Wolstenholme to pipe up sharpish. See my other post for my take on what the crowd might shout Well if nothing else your knowledge of football has improved, most liberals would describe it as 'the audience'. With the beardy guy on as a late substitute, an own goal is very much on the cards.
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Post by registerme on Apr 2, 2019 22:22:59 GMT
Well if nothing else your knowledge of football has improved, most liberals would describe it as 'the audience'. Ooof, that might the first time somebody's scored against me in this thread .
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Post by IFISAcava on Apr 2, 2019 22:45:39 GMT
See my other post for my take on what the crowd might shout Well if nothing else your knowledge of football has improved, most liberals would describe it as 'the audience'. With the beardy guy on as a late substitute, an own goal is very much on the cards. As an Arsenal season ticket holder, one might argue I have had rather limited exposure to football recently. Also one of the relatively few things I share with Jeremy.
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Post by registerme on Apr 2, 2019 22:57:21 GMT
Mixing a few metaphors.... It does feel a little bit like it's gone to extra time and we're now in a penalty knockout, only neither side can score, partly because they don't know where the goal is. The crowd is getting restless. Whereas normally they'd be whistling at the ref to call time, now they're whistling at the players. Because they are useless. It wouldn't be so bad if the respective teams were more intent on the game, but no, they prefer showing off in front of the crowd, goalies included. "It's behind you", shouts one part of the crowd. "Oh no it's not" shouts the other section. Cue a sort of slightly embarrassed "but I'm in it till we win it" aural Mexican wave. No wall either, because them players. Meanwhile some get bored and just go off looking for a pie and a pint. EDIT: I'd pay good money for Kenneth Wolstenholme to pipe up sharpish. I've never actually heard a crowd calling for the ref to call time during a penalty shootout... i call it shootout, you call it knockout.. Yeah, sorry, I was getting confused with It's a Knockout. I didn't want to mention it though because we knicked the idea from the continent .
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Post by registerme on Apr 3, 2019 1:22:25 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Apr 3, 2019 8:04:42 GMT
The Conservative Party won't be much of a "broad church" by the time you two have finished with it. It will be .... UKIP. Well that's the Remain Knee Jerk Reaction . I'm not a trog in a wifebeater , neither is 90% of Leavers, anymore than you are a 17 year old in a Guy Fawkes mask . Most of my university friends hanker after their (cheaper) Normandy second home , langoustine's, 4x4 boots full of wine and pate on the terrace . They are cushioned by education (limited) and money. None of them vote and are in denial of much beyond Potters Bar , even tho they have sentimental worker's roots up North. They are very nice but have the inverted snobbery of the BBC who cannot conceive of anybody having a valid opinion other than theirs. I get the impression from you and them, that Leave = Tommy Robson with a baseball bat. ...and yet my own Remoaniac echo chamber views the BBC as biased towards Leave, always having the likes of JRM and cohorts on at every opportunity... Perhaps it's the perennial question of viewing any balance as biased against our own preconceptions?
As far as "Leave = Tommy Robinson" goes, that clearly does describe the Batten-led UKIP, already on its knees following the James-Nuttall-Bolton fiasco. 24 MEPs elected in 2014, but 17 of them have since left. Which leaves "the Brexit Party" (not that they're single-issue, oh, no.) - except... Launched 20th January by somebody who lasted precisely two months as leader before quitting when her attempt to delete a history of blatant anti-Islamic commentary came into the open (her anti-black commentary was already public). So who took over? Of course, who else but the perennial St Nige of the Farridge?
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Apr 3, 2019 8:48:17 GMT
Well if nothing else your knowledge of football has improved, most liberals would describe it as 'the audience'. With the beardy guy on as a late substitute, an own goal is very much on the cards. As an Arsenal season ticket holder, one might argue I have had rather limited exposure to football recently. Also one of the relatively few things I share with Jeremy. I'm tempted to go with.... This would explain your fondness for all things European, and Ozil's wages suggest giving them large sums of money for little in return is not a problem for you. .... However I feel you have suffered enough with the neighbours very impressive new house. Oddly I am almost entirely indifferent if we stay or go. Its just amusing watching those who do.
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Post by mrclondon on Apr 3, 2019 15:32:30 GMT
A London Standard journalist has tweeted some inside info of yesterday's cabinet, of particular note is what the governemnt's own indicative vote process might look like (if agreement with Corbyn is not viable) - preference votes against four options: May's deal / Corbyn's deal / revoke/ no deal.
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Post by cb25 on Apr 3, 2019 16:08:47 GMT
Guardian ( here) reporting "Theresa May’s appeal for a short Brexit extension has been rejected by Jean-Claude Juncker, who said that unless the withdrawal deal was passed within nine days the UK would crash out of the EU or have to sign up to a long delay."
mrclondon I think MPs - being Remainers at heart - would go for Revoke, Corbyn's deal, May's deal, No deal (in that order). Bye bye Brexit, bye bye Tories.
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Post by registerme on Apr 3, 2019 16:37:19 GMT
So we learnt something today. When the game is tied it does not go to a penalty shootout, instead the ref gets to score for whichever side he chooses .
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