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Post by p2plender on Nov 29, 2018 6:25:58 GMT
FCA and Ombudsman are a waste of time. Many on here have written to them as well as TP contributors.
If Lendy truly were interested in winning over investors, then the elusive Lendy Paul would be contributing on here. After all he couldn't wait to get on here and tell us they had FCA authorisation - a quite incredible feat given the circumstances.
They appear a shameless organisation and therefore I feel you're wasting your time. Probably best to keep spreading the word and warning potential investors away. Nothing wrong with a bit of altruism in this case.
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Post by Mr_N on Nov 29, 2018 6:33:23 GMT
FCA and Ombudsman are a waste of time. Many on here have written to them as well as TP contributors. If Lendy truly were interested in winning over investors, then the elusive Lendy Paul would be contributing on here. After all he couldn't wait to get on here and tell us they had FCA authorisation - a quite incredible feat given the circumstances. They appear a shameless organisation and therefore I feel you're wasting your time. Probably best to keep spreading the word and warning potential investors away. Nothing wrong with a bit of altruism in this case. That's the spirit.. Anything other than FUD to contribute?
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Post by mjc on Nov 29, 2018 6:55:10 GMT
As Lendy has recently reported another Loan to the FCA, its quite likely they are taking a close look at this platform in greater detail than the general look viz a viz their recent large FCA consultation.
Other Reports are likely to be rejected unless the platform’s lengthy complaints process has been exhausted.
However the FCA might usefully investigate whether any TrustPilot fake reviews originated from Lendy, if so assuming it had any effect on any investor suffering a loss, should be an actionable event.
Rather than a Reciever being appointed for ALL loans in the event of L failing, it would be kool karma for lenders to buy the IP and run a platform equitably for the benefit of lenders.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Nov 29, 2018 8:38:20 GMT
As Lendy has recently reported another Loan to the FCA, its quite likely they are taking a close look at this platform in greater detail than the general look viz a viz their recent large FCA consultation. Other Reports are likely to be rejected unless the platform’s lengthy complaints process has been exhausted. However the FCA might usefully investigate whether any TrustPilot fake reviews originated from Lendy, if so assuming it had any effect on any investor suffering a loss, should be an actionable event. Rather than a Reciever being appointed for ALL loans in the event of L failing, it would be kool karma for lenders to buy the IP and run a platform equitably for the benefit of lenders." " Rather than a Reciever being appointed for ALL loans in the event of L failing, it would be kool karma for lenders to buy the IP and run a platform equitably for the benefit of lenders." If anyone wants to start organising this, I am on board. Not that I believe Lendy will even consider it. I have extensive contacts for any finance required and substantial troubleshooting experience, including certain aspects of debt recovery. I for one am up to sorting out the mess at L with an experienced team. PM me anyone who has ideas on taking this further. " Other Reports are likely to be rejected unless the platform’s lengthy complaints process has been exhausted.", 100% correct, that is how the FCA operate.
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Post by loftankerman on Nov 29, 2018 9:37:55 GMT
I firmly believe more invasive oversight is what is needed right now, but this is just my opinion and should be debated with others. If enough investors request that the regulators should receive detailed monthly updates directly from Lendy, we may find more progress is made across the board. We can debate this eternally, so I would suggest that we conclude any group decision on our objectives in the coming weeks before xmas and then should it be agreed, act upon it in January. Your thoughts boys and girls? Eh? We? Group decision? Act upon in January? My thought... Get lost. Spirited enough for you and your personal vendetta?
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Post by invester on Nov 29, 2018 10:04:44 GMT
I have to laugh at the idea of lenders running the platform.
Lendy and the model of massive projects are a busted flush, and a change of owners isn't going to change that. That is the real problem.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Nov 29, 2018 10:20:52 GMT
I have to laugh at the idea of lenders running the platform. Lendy and the model of massive projects are a busted flush, and a change of owners isn't going to change that. That is the real problem. it's not the size of the project(s) that was even an issue, it is an amalgamation of the asset/security checking (and subsequent enforcement), budget/cashflow viability, cash flow planning and monitoring, and most importantly the overall project management from a-z. Miss out one step, and the rest will not follow through as it should.
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Post by invester on Nov 29, 2018 10:32:50 GMT
You're right. There are hell of a lot of risks, I just what nobody bargained for was that some of them are correlated together.
The massive blocks of flats going up over London is testament to that big multi-million developments do work, but then these are constructed in a different world from Lendy.
Correcting all those points would be very expensive I feel, and I don't think P2P is a suitable method for these things, because the developer holds all the cards while a development is only partially complete. There are so many examples of this.
Even if Lendy gave lenders the business collectively for free, there would be no avoiding of very poor results. For many of the bad projects on there, the damage has been already done.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Nov 29, 2018 10:48:53 GMT
You're right. There are hell of a lot of risks, I just what nobody bargained for was that some of them are correlated together. The massive blocks of flats going up over London is testament to that big multi-million developments do work, but then these are constructed in a different world from Lendy. Correcting all those points would be very expensive I feel, and I don't think P2P is a suitable method for these things, because the developer holds all the cards while a development is only partially complete. There are so many examples of this. Even if Lendy gave lenders the business collectively for free, there would be no avoiding of very poor results. For many of the bad projects on there, the damage has been already done. You are most certainly correct in that a lot of damage has already been done. As for P2P not being a suitable method for large developments, with L at the helm, this is proving the case. Although with proper project coordination under strict management, I can not see why it would not work. Lendy is salvageable in my opinion (caveat - with the correct management in place), the issue is that L never really showed the desire to talk like grown-ups to their client base nor address and act upon issues from lenders that need prompt attention! If they were not so obstinate, I would have approached them with ideas and contacts to get themselves out of this predicament and to save face.
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Post by p2plender on Nov 29, 2018 11:02:37 GMT
So it's either Lendy or a bunch of amateurs drafted in from this forum to run the show, status quo then...
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Post by picnicman on Nov 29, 2018 11:08:21 GMT
FCA and Ombudsman are a waste of time. Many on here have written to them as well as TP contributors. If Lendy truly were interested in winning over investors, then the elusive Lendy Paul would be contributing on here. After all he couldn't wait to get on here and tell us they had FCA authorisation - a quite incredible feat given the circumstances. They appear a shameless organisation and therefore I feel you're wasting your time. Probably best to keep spreading the word and warning potential investors away. Nothing wrong with a bit of altruism in this case. I understood that Paul (the Comms guy) has left Lendy some weeks ago, but I might be wrong. Cheers P
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 29, 2018 11:54:23 GMT
FCA and Ombudsman are a waste of time. Many on here have written to them as well as TP contributors. If Lendy truly were interested in winning over investors, then the elusive Lendy Paul would be contributing on here. After all he couldn't wait to get on here and tell us they had FCA authorisation - a quite incredible feat given the circumstances. They appear a shameless organisation and therefore I feel you're wasting your time. Probably best to keep spreading the word and warning potential investors away. Nothing wrong with a bit of altruism in this case. I understood that Paul (the Comms guy) has left Lendy some weeks ago, but I might be wrong. Cheers P He did but they could be refering to the other Paul
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Post by portlandbill on Nov 29, 2018 12:59:37 GMT
Folks, In 9 pages of comments in response to this thread the general feeling (and I may be wrong) seems to be that many here would like to see some kind of deeper oversight by the regulators into lendy’s ability to put investors interests first as a priority, and assurances that the many issues aren’t simply being kicked down the road. We have no idea how lendy are prioritising recoveries, but one would imagine that greater attention is being given to the more lucrative recoveries which may be a conflict of interest in that Lendy are essentially working on commission and targeting their recoveries on that basis, while “lost cause” defaults into several hundred days are given less attention to maintain a limited reputation of zero write off’s, and the extreme legal implications a write off would have to the platform and P2P as a whole. It’s been mentioned that a joint open letter to both the Ombudsman and the FCA, signed by investors could be an option, as it doesn’t seem that investor’s concerns are reaching the regulators in any substantial way. A 2nd option suggested would be for individual investors write an independent and private letter to the regulators in a coordinated campaign to simply ensure that concerns are being highlighted in quantity where both the Ombudsman and the FCA currently appear to be watching from afar. The overwhelming consensus appears to be that most would welcome increased oversight, but without direct interference at this stage. This would go some way to alleviating investor’s concerns that regulators could assure investors that Lendy have the skills and experience to maximise their recovery activities, rather than mincing words with single paragraph monthly commentaries on multi million pound assets. Monthly reports to both investors and regulators by Lendy may produce more detailed and substantial reports with verifiable facts. Investors could then take up any issues with those reports with Lendy and the regulators jointly. Investors would like to have complete records of activities and communications in any given monthly period on each loan. Dates and times of telephone calls, summaries of communications, copies of letters. They may or may not be subject to an NDA, however investors can no longer be satisfied that progress is being made when monthly updates are simply rewords of the previous month. Where progress is made, where no visible action or progress is being made, or where a specific reason for no progress has occurred, investors should absolutely be privy to it. Obscuring, withholding and providing misleading information to investors must come to an end. I’m no union leader and I’m fresh to this forum having lurked since H********** but since lost my final two investments to defaults which were up for sale earning no interest since the end of 2017. Any action must take into consideration the interests of many who have ended up locked in Lendy as it was originally marketed as a savings platform advertising on Facebook who gradually started to see the secondary market fail after it was too late, right up to experienced investors who have no issue with waiting several years if need be to get their capital back, so there must be middle ground we can all agree on due in part to the wide net Lendy cast to draw individuals into their platform. This kind of coordinated action would require pragmatism by all involved, and we should all bear in mind that regulators are more interested in drawing a line under this to ensure it doesn’t happen again. It doesn't require 100% consensus of all investors here, but I feel that should be our intention to ensure consistency and a unified voice. We should all also be absolutely aware that Lendy will be reviewing every comment in this thread as we are. I firmly believe more invasive oversight is what is needed right now, but this is just my opinion and should be debated with others. If enough investors request that the regulators should receive detailed monthly updates directly from Lendy, we may find more progress is made across the board. We can debate this eternally, so I would suggest that we conclude any group decision on our objectives in the coming weeks before xmas and then should it be agreed, act upon it in January. Your thoughts boys and girls? You write the template and I'll sign it and post/email it.
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Post by mjc on Nov 29, 2018 14:19:53 GMT
You're right. There are hell of a lot of risks, I just what nobody bargained for was that some of them are correlated together. The massive blocks of flats going up over London is testament to that big multi-million developments do work, but then these are constructed in a different world from Lendy. Correcting all those points would be very expensive I feel, and I don't think P2P is a suitable method for these things, because the developer holds all the cards while a development is only partially complete. There are so many examples of this. Even if Lendy gave lenders the business collectively for free, there would be no avoiding of very poor results. For many of the bad projects on there, the damage has been already done. You are most certainly correct in that a lot of damage has already been done. As for P2P not being a suitable method for large developments, with L at the helm, this is proving the case. Although with proper project coordination under strict management, I can not see why it would not work. Lendy is salvageable in my opinion (caveat - with the correct management in place), the issue is that L never really showed the desire to talk like grown-ups to their client base nor address and act upon issues from lenders that need prompt attention! If they were not so obstinate, I would have approached them with ideas and contacts to get themselves out of this predicament and to save face. If L is salvageable the option does not arise. The status quo does not look good. This is not a Col situation where the FCA took the Reciever option as they had no approval (allegedly), but Col has shown us the costs of receivership. Another platform wants to raise £1b in an IPO. *IF* this platform (or the likes of FS et al) failed, then engaging professionals to sell, collect, administer, retaining good staff, and an advisory board (not of forum members) but of platform lenders and other investors in the project would give a far superior outcome of existing loans than any net reciever recoveries. A name change would be an essential for New Business. Just expressing an idea for lender’s best interest AND to give borrowers a chance of continued funding should these predictions come to pass.
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Post by nyneil on Nov 29, 2018 16:45:05 GMT
I'm putting my tin hat on, before posting I can't help feeling that a small number of forum members are creating an unjustified and damaging hysteria, which will benefit no one. I know the London loan has understandably 'unsettled' those involved, but this relates to a rogue borrower, who hopefully will get their comeuppance. Don't let this, and a number of other delinquent loans, allow contagion spread to the whole loan book and P2P in general; if another platform is 'made an example of' in the press, they will prefer a sensational story at the expense of factual accuracy. There certainly are some problem loans, and problem borrowers, which have not been managed well. However, I have a number of overdue loans where Lendy ARE working towards a solution, be it: administration, partial interim repayment or refinancing the capital amount and accepting second charge for a plan to recover the interest payments. Also, IMO, the standard of updates is improving. Have you read Lendy's article "Why can't Lendy disclose any further information on loans being dealt with by our legal department?" and the accompanying PDF from their counsel "Lendy Investor Platform Legal Advice.pdf" support.lendy.co.uk/hc/en-us/articles/360000552677-Why-can-t-Lendy-disclose-any-further-information-on-loans-being-dealt-with-by-our-legal-department-It's a three page PDF, but the gist of it is, not to say anything to investors, even if they are only considering litigation. {My notes: doing so would invalidate any legal litigation privilege, which could be seriously disadvantageous.} I seriously believe we need to take a Chill Pill and try to engage Lendy in whatever discussion they are allowed to have, rather than try to bring them down - intentionally or otherwise. FYI I have no connection to Lendy, other than my hard earned cash which is sitting in illiquid loans.
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