ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Jan 26, 2019 20:57:18 GMT
I have a decent amount rotting away in FS, and it has remained virtually unchanged all this current Tax Year. I'm not putting up with another year.
Close in on these obviously Bad Loans or Default them as necessary before April 5th FS so we can at least claim the Tax Relief.
Or expect serious visits from various Government Bodies who will make awkward enquiries as to how you mismanage your business.
If they're not already visiting you that is.
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Post by Godanubis on Jan 26, 2019 23:51:13 GMT
I have a decent amount rotting away in FS, and it has remained virtually unchanged all this current Tax Year. I'm not putting up with another year. Close in on these obviously Bad Loans or Default them as necessary before April 5th FS so we can at least claim the Tax Relief. Or expect serious visits from various Government Bodies who will make awkward enquiries as to how you mismanage your business. If they're not already visiting you that is. Ah but have they reached the 2 year rule yet
You are right however it is not what we should expect.
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Post by duck on Jan 27, 2019 6:01:09 GMT
... Close in on these obviously Bad Loans or Default them as necessary before April 5th FS so we can at least claim the Tax Relief.
..... I've taken the 'self deeming' route for the last couple of years as per SAIM12050, works for me. The only 'problem' with this approach is that you need to keep a good spreadsheet running so that you can make adjustments in following years. When is a peer to peer loan treated as irrecoverable?
Under the legislation for income tax relief for irrecoverable peer to peer loans in certain circumstances a loan may be treated as irrecoverable for the purposes of the relief even if there may be a prospect that the lender could recover some of the amount outstanding. This is the case for the following situations: Loans with security
When loans are made against security, a loan may be treated as becoming irrecoverable asif the security did not exist. Loans where legal recovery action is takenWhen the borrower has entered legal recovery procedures such as liquidation, administration, receivership or bankruptcy the loan may be treated as becoming irrecoverable as if such action was not available.
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Post by panda on Jan 27, 2019 9:31:57 GMT
... Close in on these obviously Bad Loans or Default them as necessary before April 5th FS so we can at least claim the Tax Relief.
..... I've taken the 'self deeming' route for the last couple of years as per SAIM12050, works for me. The only 'problem' with this approach is that you need to keep a good spreadsheet running so that you can make adjustments in following years. ... Yes, I did this with one platform (in the first year we could claim) and it does become a bit complicated in future years as the platform catches up and the odd loan pays a pittance back.
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Post by rogerthat on Jan 27, 2019 9:47:39 GMT
Excellent suggestion me duck..as it happens im just about to pay my tax for the year 17/18 (S/E) and my accountant will have a part year 18/19 left to do (retired Sept 18) so as well as being able to utilise the full years tax allowance, serious consideration ought to be made in assessing how much of my LB is unlikely to be recovered, which as each day goes by and more loans are exposed for what they really are, looks decidedly ominous.
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Post by trium on Jan 27, 2019 16:41:01 GMT
In addirion to loans defaulted by the platform I claim relief on any loan where a payment is not made within 3 months of becoming due (6 months for property loans). It would appear that the regulator is thinking along those lines already and it is likely to become mandatory on platforms. Also in any borrower insolvency event I would immediately default the loan.
On FS I currently have 2 formally defaulted loans but another 4 are defaulted on my books for lateness. Bit of extra record-keeping to keep track of recoveries which must be added back in if you've already had relief.
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Post by ilmoro on Jan 28, 2019 14:19:46 GMT
trium Have you taken advice from HMRC or a tax adviser on that?
ISTM there is nothing in the guidance or the underlying legislation that allows a lender to abitarily determine that a loan is eligible for loss relief after a certain amount of time. HMRC is specific that late payment alone is not a criteria for a loan being eligible for loss relief. The loan actually has to have been called in. 'irrecoverable' is defined as ' irrecoverable other than by legal proceedings or by the exercise of any right granted by way of security for the loan' (Finance Act 2016, section 32, chapter 1A, 412A(8)). A lender doesnt have such rights under P2P that is held by the agent/platform via a security trustee so a lender cant declare a loan irrecoverable unless the platform has formally defaulted the loan and called it in. Then if the platform doesnt declare a loan as having 'become' irrecoverable under HMRC criteria, lenders can themselves 'treat' the loan as irrecoverable.
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Post by grumpsimus on Jan 28, 2019 15:57:46 GMT
I agree with ozboy that FS need to do something about the very obvious defaults.
I have been running down my FS investments for some time and have withdrawn some funds. However, this financial year things seem to have come to a grinding halt and nothing ever seems to happen. My outstanding loanbook consists of a Main Account of 7 Loans ranging from 691 - 1291 days and an IFISA of 15 loans ranging from 217-579 days. There has been no interest paid since September 2018, a pittance of Capital returned, very limited updates ranging from unhelpful to ludicrous in content.
I have the distinct impression that FS are hiding bad loans by continuing to kick them down down the road, so they do not show up in the statistics and the real performance is much worse than indicated.
The poor performance of FS is often attributed to what can be called 'poor management'. However, I think it goes s bit deeper than this and that the whole model of FS is broken. FS is operating under a pawnbroking licence and traditionally pawnbrokers lent against small valuable chattels, lending them up to 50% of valuation, holding them against repayment, and selling is them if the borrower failed to redeem the pledge. However, FS now lends largely against property, often development property, this is very different to lending against chattels such as gold jewellery. Firstly, there is the obvious mismatch between the pawnbroking loan of 6 months and the length of time required for development and sale of the property which could easily be two years or more. Secondly, teach indivual loan tends to much larger, thus concetrating risk. Thirdly, what happens when the borrower runs out of money before completion, as has already happened, FS is left with a very unsaleable asset. Fourthly, FS appears to have lent against some properties that appear to be unsaleable at almost any price.
I should should mention that I was a Surveyor and I am well aware of the issues surrounding Property valuation. Lending on property developments is by far the most risky form of property lending and most mainstream banks do not touch it. This is why the weaker borrowers resort to high cost lenders like FS. Overall, FS appears to be ill equiped in trying to recover money from these defaulthed development property loans.
Yes, FS needs to start clearing out the stables of these hidden bad loans, rather than the present endless aimless drift.
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Post by adrian77 on Jan 28, 2019 16:43:19 GMT
Sir - how very dare you!
I agree with every word in your post so hopefully FS will listen...shame they don't seem to have somebody working for them with your expertise.
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Post by ozboy on Jan 30, 2019 17:39:44 GMT
I have a decent amount rotting away in FS, and it has remained virtually unchanged all this current Tax Year. I'm not putting up with another year. Close in on these obviously Bad Loans or Default them as necessary before April 5th FS so we can at least claim the Tax Relief.Or expect serious visits from various Government Bodies who will make awkward enquiries as to how you mismanage your business. If they're not already visiting you that is. SIXTY FOUR days left from tomorrow FS. That's ample time to get serious. If you're even half minded.
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on Jan 30, 2019 19:24:03 GMT
I have the distinct impression that FS are hiding bad loans by continuing to kick them down down the road, so they do not show up in the statistics and the real performance is much worse than indicated. You are not the only one of this opinion. They have not even defaulted the dodgy art loans. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by ozboy on Feb 7, 2019 15:07:46 GMT
Time is running out FS, you need to get VERY heavy with several loans, and you know full well which ones.
Close down hard on them and Demand Immediate Payment within 14 Days or Default them - all before 5th April.
I've had a gut full of your s**t.
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Post by ozboy on Feb 17, 2019 15:37:14 GMT
Tax Year End is approaching fast FS, DEFAULT the appropriate and OH SO OBVIOUS c**p Loans.
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Post by bugs4me on Feb 17, 2019 22:40:09 GMT
Tax Year End is approaching fast FS, DEFAULT the appropriate and OH SO OBVIOUS c**p Loans. Agree 101% but why would they although any reasonable person would push that default button.
If they formally defaulted those obvious loans then they could open themselves up to all sorts of potential legal action from lenders. Far better for them, not lenders of course, to continue with the 'we are chasing the borrower, etc, etc' for additional funds for the benefit of lenders. They can keep up this pretence for an eternity even if the borrower has emigrated to the moon!!
Unfortunately at this moment in time, there's very little lenders can do about it. Only the toothless FCA can act. A very despicable state of affairs but FS long gave up safeguarding their reputation in my book.
My accountant has already taken a view on some of the overdue loans and is more than comfortable with his stance. Not intended as tax guidance to anyone as each lender has to take their own professional advice.
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Post by coop on Feb 18, 2019 16:18:46 GMT
Part of their problem is that they don't generate anywhere near enough loans anymore. There's c. £72m "live" loans on the platform at the moment. This includes whitehaven, art loans, the linked property loans which there is a thread for, which account for about £6m, etc etc.
By the time you take the obvious defaults out of the picture the live loan book looks like what exactly? £50m? £40m?
FS is all smoke and mirrors.
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