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Post by davee39 on Feb 26, 2019 16:56:41 GMT
If a full withdrawal is requested from 30 day, the account will not draw down to zero. Interest will be credited on the 1st of the month and a further request will be needed to withdraw this.
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Post by alibaba on Feb 26, 2019 17:03:55 GMT
This I why I love this site, I was deciding if this was a good home for my longer term savings. I will have to look elsewhere. Many thanks for the post bobo. @bobo This is absolutely wrong surely - you cannot have submitted a request for money to be withdrawn from the 30DAA and it didn't pop out exactly when planned - to my knowledge and upon regular enquiry that has never happened to date. You must contact the helpdesk as there is something seriously wrong with your account here and we can't leave such a comment hanging on this thread without an investigation - no-one has ever reported this before ever in £1bn+ of withdrawals - just PM me the account details and will get it checked.... Stuart, the fact that you have taken the time to respond and that no one else seems to be having the same problem, I will be investing in the 90 DAA.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Feb 26, 2019 17:18:20 GMT
If a full withdrawal is requested from 30 day, the account will not draw down to zero. Interest will be credited on the 1st of the month and a further request will be needed to withdraw this. If you set interest repaid into cash account, it avoids the 30-day waiting time for paid interest (I believe? Did for me at least.)
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Post by bod on Feb 26, 2019 19:32:13 GMT
I transferred half my funds from 30DAA IFISA to 90DAA but am a bit concerned that my second largest investment (nearly £1k) has all gone on the same suspended loan. I do wonder whether the funds are not adequately diversifiied and may end up with same issues that arose in GBBA and GEA (both of which have PF's but not seen anything from them). I am tempted to drip feed the other half of the funds from 30DAA to 90DAA hoping to improve diversification.
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Post by df on Feb 26, 2019 20:13:52 GMT
I transferred half my funds from 30DAA IFISA to 90DAA but am a bit concerned that my second largest investment (nearly £1k) has all gone on the same suspended loan. I do wonder whether the funds are not adequately diversifiied and may end up with same issues that arose in GBBA and GEA (both of which have PF's but not seen anything from them). I am tempted to drip feed the other half of the funds from 30DAA to 90DAA hoping to improve diversification. That's not likely to improve diversification, at least in my experience. At some point I've tried to drip feed into all auto accounts, never made any difference. With this new 90day - I've put a small amount in and took a note of 10 top chunks, day later doubled the amount and all respective loans doubled accordingly. Works out as 3.6% maximum exposure. However, it doesn't really matter because access accounts don't operate in the same way as GEA and GBAA.
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Post by df on Feb 26, 2019 20:30:31 GMT
@bobo This is absolutely wrong surely - you cannot have submitted a request for money to be withdrawn from the 30DAA and it didn't pop out exactly when planned - to my knowledge and upon regular enquiry that has never happened to date. You must contact the helpdesk as there is something seriously wrong with your account here and we can't leave such a comment hanging on this thread without an investigation - no-one has ever reported this before ever in £1bn+ of withdrawals - just PM me the account details and will get it checked.... Stuart, the fact that you have taken the time to respond and that no one else seems to be having the same problem, I will be investing in the 90 DAA. I shuffle funds across AC accounts very regularly. QAA withdrawals were always instant and 30day withdrawals get delivered in 30 days prompt (down to exact second). Never failed for me.
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Post by bod on Feb 26, 2019 20:57:14 GMT
I transferred half my funds from 30DAA IFISA to 90DAA but am a bit concerned that my second largest investment (nearly £1k) has all gone on the same suspended loan. I do wonder whether the funds are not adequately diversifiied and may end up with same issues that arose in GBBA and GEA (both of which have PF's but not seen anything from them). I am tempted to drip feed the other half of the funds from 30DAA to 90DAA hoping to improve diversification. That's not likely to improve diversification, at least in my experience. At some point I've tried to drip feed into all auto accounts, never made any difference. With this new 90day - I've put a small amount in and took a note of 10 top chunks, day later doubled the amount and all respective loans doubled accordingly. Works out as 3.6% maximum exposure. However, it doesn't really matter because access accounts don't operate in the same way as GEA and GBAA. Thanks, I thought that might be the case, as I have found previously new funds are often invested into loans that I already have a high % of funds in. The 2 largest investments in both 30 and 90DAAs are for the same loans. I realise these accounts do not work in the same way as the GBBA and GEA but am not totally confident that I will always be able to access the funds within the stated timeframes and that suspended loans may end up as personal defaults even on the access accounts, therefore want to do as much as I can to diversify.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Feb 27, 2019 7:16:34 GMT
I transferred half my funds from 30DAA IFISA to 90DAA but am a bit concerned that my second largest investment (nearly £1k) has all gone on the same suspended loan. I do wonder whether the funds are not adequately diversifiied and may end up with same issues that arose in GBBA and GEA (both of which have PF's but not seen anything from them). I am tempted to drip feed the other half of the funds from 30DAA to 90DAA hoping to improve diversification. The Access Account algorithm creates near optimal diversification near instantly. It is not possible AFAIUI to have a new investment into one of these accounts go into just one or a few loans but instead the entire portfolio of some hundred loans available to the AAs. Suspended loans have to have their expected losses fully ringfenced by equivalent cash in the provision fund for the account and hence why you can sell back out of those loans when you leave.
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Post by sl75 on Feb 27, 2019 8:30:05 GMT
If a full withdrawal is requested from 30 day, the account will not draw down to zero. Interest will be credited on the 1st of the month and a further request will be needed to withdraw this. If you set interest repaid into cash account, it avoids the 30-day waiting time for paid interest (I believe? Did for me at least.) Yes, but that does seem kind-of a design flaw... it would seem extremely rare for someone who requests to withdraw the entire balance would really mean "but leave the next interest payment in that account", yet the system uses this as its default assumption.
This will become even more annoying for the 90DAA, where someone who requests a withdrawal, then comes back in 90 days would need to wait ANOTHER 90 days to withdraw the interest (and then have to separately withdraw the interest on the interest unless they found and realised the significance of this option in the meantime).
There's also the other big annoyance of having amounts "<0.01p" that get left behind when you ask to withdraw what appears to be the whole balance of the account... I'm sure chris will be instructed to fix these issues at some point, but probably not too high up his priority list!
Best approach in my opinion would be to have a separate option for "withdraw full balance including future interest" instead of typing in an amount. This would take care of all of these oddities for you.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2019 9:27:49 GMT
If you set interest repaid into cash account, it avoids the 30-day waiting time for paid interest (I believe? Did for me at least.) Yes, but that does seem kind-of a design flaw... it would seem extremely rare for someone who requests to withdraw the entire balance would really mean "but leave the next interest payment in that account", yet the system uses this as its default assumption.
This will become even more annoying for the 90DAA, where someone who requests a withdrawal, then comes back in 90 days would need to wait ANOTHER 90 days to withdraw the interest (and then have to separately withdraw the interest on the interest unless they found and realised the significance of this option in the meantime).
There's also the other big annoyance of having amounts "<0.01p" that get left behind when you ask to withdraw what appears to be the whole balance of the account... I'm sure chris will be instructed to fix these issues at some point, but probably not too high up his priority list!
Best approach in my opinion would be to have a separate option for "withdraw full balance including future interest" instead of typing in an amount. This would take care of all of these oddities for you.
it's not about the settings during a withdrawal, it's about your normal settings for reinvesting interest. If your normal setting is "reinvest all", it does that. if it is withdrawal to cash, it does that. Giving notice to withdraw funds doesn't change the setting you made, nor I think should it. Many of us will make partial withdrawals all the time and don't want our settings changed.
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Post by sl75 on Feb 27, 2019 10:53:54 GMT
it's not about the settings during a withdrawal, it's about your normal settings for reinvesting interest. If your normal setting is "reinvest all", it does that. if it is withdrawal to cash, it does that. Giving notice to withdraw funds doesn't change the setting you made, nor I think should it. Many of us will make partial withdrawals all the time and don't want our settings changed. I'm aware of most of the details of how to work around the deficiencies in AC's systems. However, that doesn't mean they're not annoying... and in the case of unnecessary complications for what should have been anticipated as relatively common actions, I'd definitely classify them as design flaws.
For a "normal bank" with a 30 day notice account, if I give my 30 days notice to close the account, they just go ahead and do it. They do a final interest calculation on the last day, and forward the entire amount including interest to the account I nominated. There's no "gotcha!" moments like "but you didn't specifically ask to withdraw the interest on this completely separate option", or "but some of the interest won't be credited until the start of the month after your withdrawal was processed", or "but there's a fractional penny and you didn't ask for an amount £0.01 higher than the displayed balance", and certainly not a "well as you didn't jump through all the right hoops last time, you need to give ANOTHER 30 days notice for the silly little bit that's left over" (potentially several times if the user doesn't notice ALL the gotchas in one go, so it could easily take 90 days to get all but a tiny fraction that we probably don't care about by then).
Actually, I've just now anticipated a related issue that's likely to occur on 1 March, as many users log on and say "Why's there a balance in my 30DAA - I told it to transfer thw whole balance to the 90DAA". At least that should be relatively easily resolved, as the obvious action to take can be instant-effect!
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 27, 2019 11:19:57 GMT
it's not about the settings during a withdrawal, it's about your normal settings for reinvesting interest. If your normal setting is "reinvest all", it does that. if it is withdrawal to cash, it does that. Giving notice to withdraw funds doesn't change the setting you made, nor I think should it. Many of us will make partial withdrawals all the time and don't want our settings changed. I'm aware of most of the details of how to work around the deficiencies in AC's systems. However, that doesn't mean they're not annoying... and in the case of unnecessary complications for what should have been anticipated as relatively common actions, I'd definitely classify them as design flaws.
For a "normal bank" with a 30 day notice account, if I give my 30 days notice to close the account, they just go ahead and do it. They do a final interest calculation on the last day, and forward the entire amount including interest to the account I nominated. There's no "gotcha!" moments like "but you didn't specifically ask to withdraw the interest on this completely separate option", or "but some of the interest won't be credited until the start of the month after your withdrawal was processed", or "but there's a fractional penny and you didn't ask for an amount £0.01 higher than the displayed balance", and certainly not a "well as you didn't jump through all the right hoops last time, you need to give ANOTHER 30 days notice for the silly little bit that's left over" (potentially several times if the user doesn't notice ALL the gotchas in one go, so it could easily take 90 days to get all but a tiny fraction that we probably don't care about by then).
Actually, I've just now anticipated a related issue that's likely to occur on 1 March, as many users log on and say "Why's there a balance in my 30DAA - I told it to transfer thw whole balance to the 90DAA". At least that should be relatively easily resolved, as the obvious action to take can be instant-effect!
But you're not closing the account, you're just making a withdrawal. You can't "close" the 30-day account.
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Post by sl75 on Feb 27, 2019 11:27:38 GMT
But you're not closing the account, you're just making a withdrawal. You can't "close" the 30-day account. ...which is indeed the problem.
An option which has the effect of "closing down my current 30DAA" is exactly what I would expect most people who enter a withdrawal of the entire current balance of their 30DAA were looking for, only settling for the "withdraw that amount" option when they couldn't find it.
I consider the lack of such an option as a design flaw.
Similarly for the "transfer to 90DAA" button, which also only works for a specific nominated amount from the 30DAA, and has no option to "transfer everything in my 30DAA including accrued interest as of today", which is what I expect most people who enter the current balance in that box actually wanted to do.
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Post by p2pete on Feb 27, 2019 11:38:55 GMT
@bobo This is absolutely wrong surely - you cannot have submitted a request for money to be withdrawn from the 30DAA and it didn't pop out exactly when planned - to my knowledge and upon regular enquiry that has never happened to date. You must contact the helpdesk as there is something seriously wrong with your account here and we can't leave such a comment hanging on this thread without an investigation - no-one has ever reported this before ever in £1bn+ of withdrawals - just PM me the account details and will get it checked.... stuartassetzcapital bobo's last comment on Feb 24 at 4:03pm said that he had dropped AC a note. Were you able to track down what happened? These comments hanging around are causing people not to invest in AC, when they seem completely unfounded and not backed up by anyone else so it would be good to close this off.
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Post by hammertime on Feb 27, 2019 15:49:36 GMT
why is everyone going on about these accounts so much its not that difficult and if you dont like one choose another geees. Rant over happy days.
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