Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Mar 11, 2019 22:57:07 GMT
Dfl035 and 025 don’t show as complete on updates ? They may be defaulted and therefore show as loss Both shown as repaid. Statements were provided to affected lenders by email that these loans were completed and no further recoveries would be resulting. DFL025 is only 22days late ?.. Shows 100% repayment on 9th
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 11, 2019 23:24:42 GMT
Both shown as repaid. Statements were provided to affected lenders by email that these loans were completed and no further recoveries would be resulting. DFL025 is only 22days late ?.. Shows 100% repayment on 9th Not sure of the question. A redemption was accepted by Lendy in full & final settlement of the loan as that was felt to be the best course of action in the circumstances. ie recovery via legal means was likely to result in a worst outcome.
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Post by jomantha on Mar 11, 2019 23:41:39 GMT
I took out 42p !
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 12, 2019 4:34:49 GMT
Godanubis : How can you be so certain this hasn't happened yet if Lendy haven't disclosed how recovery proceeds were calculated in the situations where lenders didn't receive 100% of their capital back? What loans did the lenders not get 100% paid to them that are compleated ?? Godanubis: I just looked at my 2018-19 tax statement, and it has an entry for "Total capital shortfall" of £63.90. Unfortunately, it doesn't identify the source, so I don't know which loan(s) produced that loss, but it does suggest strongly to me that Lendy have closed out one (or more) of my loans and did not return 100% of investors' capital.
Is there an easy way for me to find out the source of this amount?
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Post by sl75 on Mar 12, 2019 8:56:14 GMT
What loans did the lenders not get 100% paid to them that are compleated ?? Godanubis : I just looked at my 2018-19 tax statement, and it has an entry for "Total capital shortfall" of £63.90. Unfortunately, it doesn't identify the source, so I don't know which loan(s) produced that loss, but it does suggest strongly to me that Lendy have closed out one (or more) of my loans and did not return 100% of investors' capital.
Is there an easy way for me to find out the source of this amount?
Log in, click "My account", then on "Transactions" section set a large date range (for me it works even if I put a start date before I joined Lendy, although this takes a while to download), and then the "Export" link at top-right (on desktop version of site). Open the resulting .csv in your favourite spreadsheet program, and search/filter to find lines whose "Type" is "Capital shortfall".
You'll find lines relating to DFL025 and DFL035 only - the only 2 loans where Lendy has declared a loss (although they minced their words somewhat so it didn't sound like they were declaring a loss - the capital losses were equal to interest credited on the same loan parts as I recall, so for most investors they'd be offset for tax purposes and it's pretty much the same as if they'd retrospectively relabelled the previous interest payments on live loan parts as repayments of capital...)
Also, in both those cases, a claim from the provision fund was approved in order to reduce the losses to this level, so for those who view [Lendy + Provision Fund] as part of the same system (given that Lendy would presumably get to keep any surplus after the entire loan book has wound down), Lendy had subsidised us. For those who view them as entirely independent (and in particular those who believe the provision fund is likely to prove grossly inadequate when the current loan book has been wound down and all other claims resolved), any fees Lendy may have received could be considered in part to have been subsidised by "robbing" the provision fund.
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Post by Godanubis on Mar 12, 2019 9:46:55 GMT
Godanubis : I just looked at my 2018-19 tax statement, and it has an entry for "Total capital shortfall" of £63.90. Unfortunately, it doesn't identify the source, so I don't know which loan(s) produced that loss, but it does suggest strongly to me that Lendy have closed out one (or more) of my loans and did not return 100% of investors' capital.
Is there an easy way for me to find out the source of this amount?
Log in, click "My account", then on "Transactions" section set a large date range (for me it works even if I put a start date before I joined Lendy, although this takes a while to download), and then the "Export" link at top-right (on desktop version of site). Open the resulting .csv in your favourite spreadsheet program, and search/filter to find lines whose "Type" is "Capital shortfall".
You'll find lines relating to DFL025 and DFL035 only - the only 2 loans where Lendy has declared a loss (although they minced their words somewhat so it didn't sound like they were declaring a loss - the capital losses were equal to interest credited on the same loan parts as I recall, so for most investors they'd be offset for tax purposes and it's pretty much the same as if they'd retrospectively relabelled the previous interest payments on live loan parts as repayments of capital...)
Also, in both those cases, a claim from the provision fund was approved in order to reduce the losses to this level, so for those who view [Lendy + Provision Fund] as part of the same system (given that Lendy would presumably get to keep any surplus after the entire loan book has wound down), Lendy had subsidised us. For those who view them as entirely independent (and in particular those who believe the provision fund is likely to prove grossly inadequate when the current loan book has been wound down and all other claims resolved), any fees Lendy may have received could be considered in part to have been subsidised by "robbing" the provision fund.
Thanks for that. I was saying they manipulated the wording to be technically correct in that nobody had an overall loss from their investments.
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Post by sydb on Mar 12, 2019 16:27:14 GMT
That 'Total capital shortfall:' is a new line on tax statements that has appeared at some point since December, I guess because of DFL025 and DFL035.
I wasn't in these loans. Can someone tell me what was special about these to write them off and not any others? Did the borrower die bankrupt?
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Post by ilmoro on Mar 12, 2019 20:13:36 GMT
That 'Total capital shortfall:' is a new line on tax statements that has appeared at some point since December, I guess because of DFL025 and DFL035.
I wasn't in these loans. Can someone tell me what was special about these to write them off and not any others? Did the borrower die bankrupt?
As above, in both cases Lendy accepted a redemption offer from the borrower that was insufficient to pay all capital, interest & fees and therefore under their t&cs there was a capital shortfall (as the last item on the repayment list other than bonus - not paid - capital was where the shortfall resulted {we do not know if Lendy forwent fees). As it was an agreed redemption shortfall no further sums will be recieved and therefore the loan has completed and their is crystallised lost which Lendy has declared on the affected lenders tax statements.
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Post by sl75 on Mar 13, 2019 13:26:40 GMT
As above, in both cases Lendy accepted a redemption offer from the borrower that was insufficient to pay all capital, interest & fees and therefore under their t&cs there was a capital shortfall (as the last item on the repayment list other than bonus - not paid - capital was where the shortfall resulted {we do not know if Lendy forwent fees). As it was an agreed redemption shortfall no further sums will be recieved and therefore the loan has completed and their is crystallised lost which Lendy has declared on the affected lenders tax statements. Also, in both cases, claims were approved on the provision fund that reduced the losses to a level where Lendy could spin it as "not really a loss" because it was offset by interest.
Higher up that page, we also see that (at least as of the last time it was updated) Lendy anticipated completing the claims associated with almost £1.9M of the PF total by "mid 2019". If the various cases/claims in the "claims underway" section are in any way linked to these, this may also be the time we see some kind of resolution on some of the loans there where we're currently just getting vague updates about legal processes.
That would also indicate that this is the main factor that the success of winding down Lendy hinges upon - if the various claims are successful, we could get [almost] all our money back on the "Claims underway" section, and the PF itself would also get almost all its money back boosting its cash value to £3.4M - probably enough to allow it to meet the remaining claims from those loans and still have some coverage for the rest of the loan book assuming a similar outcome from claims and potential claims that may be associated with those, but if they're all unsuccessful, not only will there be larger losses to declare from the loans in the "Claims underway" section, but also the PF might have little more than its current £1.5M balance, making it substantially short of even the losses that would have already crystallised at that time (right now the "Claims underway" section alone has £7.6M of potential losses awaiting resolution of various claims, and plenty more seem likely to be lined up in the "non-performing" section).
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Post by invester on Mar 13, 2019 16:20:32 GMT
I view the 'claims' as more liabilities than assets.
I don't think there is evidence (correct me if I am wrong) of a single one of these paying out.
For example, the fortified house debacle is over a year old now. Given how Lendy will pay for the lawyers and its fees before repaying lenders it is hard to see any meaningful recoveries for us once the security is sold.
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Post by cashmax on Mar 14, 2019 10:22:52 GMT
So the contact who provided the original information has been let go, along with others. No sign of exec team and lots of closed door meetings apparently. Can't help thinking this is it....
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Post by jo on Mar 14, 2019 11:52:20 GMT
If you can't talk, son, just key your handset twice. Over. Attachments:
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 14, 2019 12:20:43 GMT
So the contact who provided the original information has been let go, along with others. No sign of exec team and lots of closed door meetings apparently. Can't help thinking this is it.... Thanks for the update ... but worth noting Tranche 21 of DFL029 has hit the pipeline this morning. (I've not as yet received a Lendy email advising of this)
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Post by Mousey on Mar 14, 2019 13:04:32 GMT
E-mail just received for 32 & 29 going live tomorrow.
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Post by iRobot on Mar 14, 2019 13:07:26 GMT
E-mail just received for 32 & 29 going live tomorrow. And FCA registration number still in the footer
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