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Post by alanh on May 22, 2019 15:37:35 GMT
Thank you for spotting this court case today mousey. Do you/anyone else happen to know what happened at it? (maybe I'm a bit early and its still going on).
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Post by Mousey on May 22, 2019 16:49:12 GMT
I attended today. Some complicated issues. I'll post a write-up tomorrow after some very careful consideration.
The security is good though - unlike fundingsecure they actually took it into their possession.
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Post by amwinv on May 22, 2019 17:20:54 GMT
I attended today. Some complicated issues. I'll post a write-up tomorrow after some very careful consideration. The security is good though - unlike fundingsecure they actually took it into their possession. Thanks Mousey! We know the borrower is lurking. Maybe best keep it in DDC? But I look forward to hearing whats going on.
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Post by Mousey on May 23, 2019 9:10:13 GMT
Mousey Disclaimer: If you rely on the notes of an unknown person called ‘Mousey’ on some internet forum to give technical and accurate details of a legal case then you are very naive! If you wish to rely on these notes then please don’t – go to the court and obtain the transcripts. Do not make ANY assumptions or speculations with regards what I’ve said.
The Rolls Buildings, Hearing Room 2
Before DEPUTY MASTER A*****
On behalf of CHIEF MASTER M****
Wednesday 22 May 2019
At 02:00 PM
Application Hearing
FS-2019-****** A***** M**** v Open Access Finance Limited
The 1400 hearing started at 1440 due to the previous case over-running.
The claimant introduced himself as someone who wore three hats: - An antiques collector - A solicitor - The sole case handler at his firm He was therefore representing himself.
Open Access Finance were represented with three members of their legal team in court. The co-founders were present at the hearing.
The borrower borrowed some £150,000. His claim was for >£200,000 The fine details of the claims were not discussed so I’m unable to comment on them. I understand one claim was for the refund of overpaid interest.
Nov 2018 – Letter before action issued 5/3/19 – Claim form issued
The hearing concerned two applications: 1 – Disclosure of the names and details of the 612 lenders 2 – Transfer to the county court
Application 1 The borrower relied heavily on the Z******* judgement created as part of the Lendy London Loan litigation: *Website redacted*
That judgement allowed for the disclosure of the details of the lenders in a P2P situation.
The defence pleaded that all the claims made by the borrower were exclusively against the platform and not against the lenders. For instance, one allegation made by the claimant involved an “authorised person” under the FCA rules. The defence explained that the only entity who was authorised was the platform.
The claimant currently has access to a list on a website of borrower references (a series of numbers and letters) and amounts invested.
The claimant could not show that any of the claims were specifically against the lenders.
The defence pleaded that the claimants motivation in seeking disclosure was to “cause mischief”.
The Z******* judgement allowed disclosure where there was “an arguable cause of action against the lenders”. The Master of this hearing was “unhappy” and “not confidant of claims against lenders”.
The Master instructed that the application for the disclosure of lenders be adjourned.
The claimant must file a Particulars of Claim setting out his claims against: - The lenders - OAF To include the causes of action upon which he relies.
This has to be submitted by 1600 on July 2nd 2019. We’ll be able to obtain a copy at this point.
The hearing for joinder/disclosure will for ½ day not before 16th July and not after 30th September 2019
The arguments for application for transfer to the county court were largely procedural and has no relevance to the lenders.
Costs were reserved
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Post by amwinv on May 23, 2019 9:22:14 GMT
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He borrows 150k... and instead of paying interest on his debt like everyone else... he wants to MAKE 50k?!?!?!?
We still don't really know what his claims even are, just that he is desperately pushing to obtain lenders details - almost entirely as a threat to UNBs reputation with lenders, hoping that alone will make them surrender to his every whim.
Absolute farce.
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Post by ozboy on May 23, 2019 11:35:36 GMT
Mousey Disclaimer: If you rely on the notes of an unknown person called ‘Mousey’ on some internet forum to give technical and accurate details of a legal case then you are very naive! If you wish to rely on these notes then please don’t – go to the court and obtain the transcripts. Do not make ANY assumptions or speculations with regards what I’ve said. The Rolls Buildings, Hearing Room 2 Before DEPUTY MASTER A***** On behalf of CHIEF MASTER M**** Wednesday 22 May 2019 At 02:00 PM Application Hearing etc etc etc ............................................... You're a diamond Mousey, " Thank you." Collect your free pint when yer next in West London.
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Post by sd2 on May 23, 2019 14:53:43 GMT
From unbolted for those who are not involved but may be interested
"As a futher update to our notification email on 23 April (copy pasted below for your convenience), the Claimant's request for disclosure of the names and details of the lenders was heard by the court on 22 May. The court refused to order disclosure of the names to the Claimant because, at this stage, the court does not have sufficient information in front of it to be satisfied that the Claimant had a legally arguable case against the lenders. The court ordered the Claimant to produce a draft particulars of claim setting out in detail exactly what his legal claims against the lenders is alleged to be. The court will then look at the draft at a resumed hearing some time after 16 July and decide what to do at that point.
We will provide you with further updates in due course.
Team Unbolted"
At this time I would suggest that it is unlikely that we will get the interest owed. At least not all of it. Although we should get the capital back (the main thing). My assumption is he will lose but it will take a minimum of 6 months.... I am guessing. Each item pawned is a separate contract so I don't think they (unbolted) can take the profit from one item (ie after interest is paid) and give it to another lender where there is insufficient money to pay all the interest owed. I assume the <removed by mod> is skint otherwise he would have paid up and gone to court later.
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Post by agent69 on May 23, 2019 15:08:18 GMT
The court ordered the Claimant to produce a draft particulars of claim setting out in detail exactly what his legal claims against the lenders is alleged to be. A statement of the bleeding obvious?
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Post by nooneere on May 23, 2019 18:26:00 GMT
This borrower who is also a solicitor should be considering what a poor advertisement this is for his professional practice. He brings the case himself then can't even articulate his claim adequately to the court. Why would anyone engage him for their own case?
Normally when a case fails you imagine justice was not on its side, so the lawyers could not have done better but their client demanded they acted. But here the borrower made the decision to bring the case so must have thought he could win. One might say it's a delaying tactic, but surely the above says it was unwise.
No wonder he is a one-man firm, and no wonder he is in financial trouble.
To quote my favourite 'Commentatorballs' from Private Eye: "He'll need to dig deep to get out of this hole he's in".
Disclaimer: I have a trivial sum invested in 7 of the relevant loans.
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Post by sd2 on May 23, 2019 18:46:07 GMT
This borrower who is also a solicitor should be considering what a poor advertisement this is for his professional practice. He brings the case himself then can't even articulate his claim adequately to the court. Why would anyone engage him for their own case? Normally when a case fails you imagine justice was not on its side, so the lawyers could not have done better but their client demanded they acted. But here the borrower made the decision to bring the case so must have thought he could win. One might say it's a delaying tactic, but surely the above says it was unwise. No wonder he is a one-man firm, and no wonder he is in financial trouble. To quote my favourite 'Commentatorballs' from Private Eye: "He'll need to dig deep to get out of this hole he's in". Disclaimer: I have a trivial sum invested in 7 of the relevant loans. I understand his behaviour now, as a solicitor it's not costing much to bring this case. So he mays as well waste everyone's time its not costing him much. He's probably used to bullying people with threats of taking them to court. What a <removed by mod>!
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Post by corto on May 23, 2019 19:40:29 GMT
If he loses it will cost him?
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Post by beepbeepimajeep on May 23, 2019 21:22:25 GMT
Thanks for the updates Mousey.
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Post by ozboy on May 24, 2019 11:18:56 GMT
This borrower who is also a solicitor should be considering what a poor advertisement this is for his professional practice. He brings the case himself then can't even articulate his claim adequately to the court. Why would anyone engage him for their own case? Normally when a case fails you imagine justice was not on its side, so the lawyers could not have done better but their client demanded they acted. But here the borrower made the decision to bring the case so must have thought he could win. One might say it's a delaying tactic, but surely the above says it was unwise. No wonder he is a one-man firm, and no wonder he is in financial trouble. To quote my favourite 'Commentatorballs' from Private Eye: "He'll need to dig deep to get out of this hole he's in". Disclaimer: I have a trivial sum invested in 7 of the relevant loans. I understand his behaviour now, as a solicitor it's not costing much to bring this case. So he mays as well waste everyone's time its not costing him much. He's probably used to bullying people with threats of taking them to court. What a <removed by mod>! Allow me to reinstate the "removed by mod":- What a Female Organ.
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Post by markyg61 on May 24, 2019 13:13:56 GMT
If he loses it will cost him?
and if he wins will it cost us ?
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Post by corto on May 24, 2019 13:29:38 GMT
If he loses it will cost him?
and if he wins will it cost us ?
My note referred to the suggestion that he representing himself would be cheap for him. If he loses he has more costs than that. Whether it would cost us we can't say at the moment as he hasn't constructed a reasonable case yet.
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