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Post by rogerthat on Apr 27, 2019 13:00:49 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 27, 2019 13:40:01 GMT
Nope double checked, 'Users of FundingSecure, a P2P platform are battling against a sharp rise in non-performing loans.' Goes on about active loans in arrears etc.
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Post by criston on Apr 27, 2019 14:11:58 GMT
Scanned from newspaper as editable text. I have corrected some of the wrong words, but I may have missed something
Reckon they wrote most of this story by reading my previous posts !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Very similar to the points I made.
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Pressure mounts on peer-to-peer investors as more loans turn sour Users FundingSecure, P2P platform, are battling against a sharp rise in non-performing loans, Adam Williams reports Pressure on the peer-to-peer loans industry continues to intensify, with investors using the FundingSecure platform the latest to face widespread issues. Analysis by Telegraph Money found that most of FundingSecure's £88m live loan book is failing to perform as expected. Loans worth a total of £24m are considered in default - when the borrower has not repaid the sums due to investors - or expected to default. A further £33m is in forbearance, which means the platform has extended the standard six-month loan term as the borrower could not repay on time. In some cases, loan terms have been extended repeatedly, with investors complaining that this hides the true scale of problems. Many loans are described by FundingSecure as "active", rather than in arrears. But Telegraph Money has uncovered loans that are more than two years overdue yet are still considered active, as the initial term has been extended. FundingSecure admitted that the current level oflate payments was "unacceptable" and blamed poor economic conditions for the increase in defaults. The company argued that extending loan terms was intended to give borrowers additional time to repay or refinance. This was preferable to pursuing borrowers in court, it said. FundingSecure allows individuals to lend against property and other items such as art, cars and watches, making it akin to a high-end pawnbroker. It offers returns of more than I2pc on some loans, but many have turned sour. In one case, a piece of artwork, which investors believed was being held in a secure location, was moved and sold. How this occurred is now subject to a legal case. Nigel Hackett, of FundingSecure, acknowledged that many loans on the platform "may not have performed in line with our investors' expectations". He said the firm would look to improve its communication and now offered I8-month loans, which was intended to minimise the number of six-month terms being extended. Mr Hackett said the firm was now performing increased due diligence on all new loans. "The process of recovering funds for our investors from all overdue loans is our number one priority;' he said. FundingSecure is the latest peer-to- peer company to battle with arrears. This newspaper has repeatedly reported on troubles at Lendy, another peer-to-peer provider.
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Post by mariner on Apr 27, 2019 19:38:07 GMT
FS are quick enough to speak to newspapers but not to their lifeblood, their investors Pathetic
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Post by arby on Apr 27, 2019 20:22:29 GMT
FS are quick enough to speak to newspapers but not to their lifeblood, their investors Pathetic The message they gave to the newspaper is nothing that FS hasn't said to us in each monthly update stretching back to last year.
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 28, 2019 14:58:04 GMT
What a well written article - not that there won't be many more!
Here are my comments Well there is always the Brexit card to play - I just wish I had never heard of this crowd...
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Post by iRobot on Apr 28, 2019 16:04:25 GMT
The DT (and this journalist in particular) and other 'establishment' media titles really do seem to have their knives out for P2P.
At least this one quotes some FS sound bites even if they did fail to mention the 100s of successfully repaid loans and millions returned in interest (which I doubt FS would have neglected to inform the journalist of at the point of replying to any enquiries made).
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 29, 2019 7:24:59 GMT
As per my previous post - I am predicting a loss due to the art loans fiasco. Making a smallish loss is not what I wish in for in my life- that said I really feel for those forum members who have already suffered mega losses in e.g. Whitehaven, Wimbledon , NI turbine etc etc. I should have validated the FS performance (or rather lack off) before I invested but my fault entirely so being so naive as to trust FS with my money.
I won't make this mistake again with FS or any other p2p lender.
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Post by benaj on Apr 29, 2019 9:19:21 GMT
FS managed to recover 125 loans so far in the all time loan book. 6 of these recoveries are property related. Blings, cars and art recoveries are much quicker than properties.
Compared to the unredeemed loans, there are 72 so far.
Realistic expectation, recovery takes time. Even FS has successfully recovery record for 2nd charge renewal 3113339697.
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Post by Godanubis on Apr 29, 2019 20:43:18 GMT
As per my previous post - I am predicting a loss due to the art loans fiasco. Making a smallish loss is not what I wish in for in my life- that said I really feel for those forum members who have already suffered mega losses in e.g. Whitehaven, Wimbledon , NI turbine etc etc. I should have validated the FS performance (or rather lack off) before I invested but my fault entirely so being so naive as to trust FS with my money. I won't make this mistake again with FS or any other p2p lender. Your magic crystal ball appears again. When you actually have a confirmed loss then please share I still say losses are expected by any investment that has multiple parts. The main point is to invest prudently and well diversified so losses are only things that slightly reduced the maximum attainable return but do not change the overall profit result.
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 30, 2019 8:32:25 GMT
I agree but we investors need to have some confidence in the business acumen of FS and I currently have exactly zero. I invested in 6 art loans which I researched and thought were reasonably valued and there was NO evidence whatsoever they were the same lender (as with other property loans). And what happened with art loans : FS literally gave them away without any reliable security. If a fund manager in the City had done this he would probably have been sacked or promoted depending upon his school tie! If FS has a poorly performing loan book then the only thing diversification is going to do is ensure a loss which reflects the loan book performance! Granted FS may now disclose if loans are linked but horse and stable door comes to mind.
Surely if FS were doing there job properly then most loans would be a prudent investment just like the Park homes, Whitehaven, Wimbledon, NI turbine etc etc!
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Post by r00lish67 on Apr 30, 2019 8:54:28 GMT
I agree but we investors need to have some confidence in the business acumen of FS and I currently have exactly zero. Except for the new Cardiff loan, which you thought "worthy of a punt". So, did you change your mind in the intervening 10 days, in which FS have only actually successfully recovered loans? Or did you just mean worthy of a punt for other people's money, but not your own?
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Post by p2pstephan on Apr 30, 2019 8:55:16 GMT
“invest prudently and well diversified”, Wise words but alas very hard to do on FS. “invest prudently”, That rejects quite a lot of their loans. If you have a reasonable lump it’s hard to diversify. The safest loans have limits of £25/£50 and you have to have the fastest finger at strange times of the day. This leave one with not a lot of good loans to invest in. I do follow the wise words and now find over a quarter of my fund is not invested and this is growing. I like FS because they have made me good money, but the lack of good loans is now quite clear. “invest prudently” does by not mean risk free by any means.
You need to be careful with statistics. How you invest on FS is dependent on how much time and money you are willing to put in. The good loans go fast and often have an initial limit of £25/£50. If you have lots of time and only £25 to invest you should have no issues making over 100% interest per year. If you have 20K to invest then you should be happy with 7-10% and avoiding a capital loss. If you go by the statistics and assume 20K then you are assuming you could evenly spread your investment across all loans. This does not happen. The loans that have a good chance of pay back are hard to invest in. The loans that are much more risky will happily accept a great deal of your hard earned £££. Those brave souls that buy on SM at -1, close to the 30day cut off and hope to get 20% are significantly increasing their risk of a loss. I think they double their potential return and triple their risk. Maths guru required.
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Post by jo on Apr 30, 2019 8:59:30 GMT
The main point is to invest prudently and well diversified so losses are only things that slightly reduced the maximum attainable return but do not change the overall profit result. Every investor has an 'investment lifecycle' - initial investment, increase, consolidation, reduction. The 'reduction' can be brought-about by a myriad of reasons, all associated with the human condition: lifestyle change, retirement, disillusionment, unemployment, retirement, illness, death etc etc. One thing is certain, eventually all you will be left with is dross and it will in time change your 'overall profit result.'
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Post by adrian77 on Apr 30, 2019 9:01:38 GMT
one can still have a small fun punt from time to time - that is not the same as investing a large sum of money and praying it will come good!
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