sapphire
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Post by sapphire on May 30, 2019 12:48:03 GMT
ablrate Are there any stats available of what amount/number/percentage of Ablrate loans over the past few years have actually been redeemed on the initial (launch) redemption date in full (no loss of capital)? Background to this question: Over the recent months there appear to be number of loans which have been extended and/or restructured rather than being redeemed on the initial (launch) maturity date. (e.g. as noted by blender elsewhere, Loan 80 was drawn down on 29 Sep 2017, for min 6 months and max 10 months. It has now been extended to 21 months.) Whilst extending/restructuring may be a better alternative to defaulting, with a risk of (significant?) loss of capital, this is not always ideal and if there is a minimum price on the SM, this restricts liquidity and those lenders who wish to exit on the promised maturity date are locked. Even where the minimum price on the SM is not restricted, this could mean that to exit on the initial promised redemption date, lenders may suffer some loss of capital. Some other platforms (e.g. Proplend) provide a higher penalty rate of interest if the loan is not redeemed on time, to compensate for the increased (explicit and/or implicit) risk due to the delayed redemption, but Ablrate does not do so, so by extending / restructuring, lenders are effectively receiving the initial (or possibly lower) rate of interest, despite an increased risk due to the delayed redemption. So as extending / restructuring usually means that the returns promised at launch are not met on time, it would be useful to know what percentage/amount/number of Ablrate loans have actually met their initial promised returns on time.
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Post by ablrate on Jun 4, 2019 8:55:32 GMT
ablrate Are there any stats available of what amount/number/percentage of Ablrate loans over the past few years have actually been redeemed on the initial (launch) redemption date in full (no loss of capital)? Background to this question: Over the recent months there appear to be number of loans which have been extended and/or restructured rather than being redeemed on the initial (launch) maturity date. (e.g. as noted by blender elsewhere, Loan 80 was drawn down on 29 Sep 2017, for min 6 months and max 10 months. It has now been extended to 21 months.) Whilst extending/restructuring may be a better alternative to defaulting, with a risk of (significant?) loss of capital, this is not always ideal and if there is a minimum price on the SM, this restricts liquidity and those lenders who wish to exit on the promised maturity date are locked. Even where the minimum price on the SM is not restricted, this could mean that to exit on the initial promised redemption date, lenders may suffer some loss of capital. Some other platforms (e.g. Proplend) provide a higher penalty rate of interest if the loan is not redeemed on time, to compensate for the increased (explicit and/or implicit) risk due to the delayed redemption, but Ablrate does not do so, so by extending / restructuring, lenders are effectively receiving the initial (or possibly lower) rate of interest, despite an increased risk due to the delayed redemption. So as extending / restructuring usually means that the returns promised at launch are not met on time, it would be useful to know what percentage/amount/number of Ablrate loans have actually met their initial promised returns on time. We can put this together, and will also show early redemption. There has been approximately £14 million returned in capital so far with perhaps another £2 million in amortisation. With the new UI we will be having lots of stats and maybe even having a stats page you can build yourself... but don't let me get ahead of myself. So yes, thanks for the feedback, we think that more stats will be better. Its important to put comments in perspective here, you discuss a 'significant risk of loss' straight after Loan 80. This loan has an LTV that is sub 50% and is paying 15% per annum. It would be a very rare occasion where a loan rate was reduced, it has happened once but has changed after a period of consolidation. Higher penalty rates have been applied so some loans that are delayed,and have paid back, some loans have not had penalty rates applied, it does depend on the transaction. Raising the interest rate from what has been previously adds more risk to a transaction obviously, so there is a balance. The other platform you mentioned is providing rates of 5% -12%. We have the higher rates from the outset to better reflect the risk in the marketplace, as we have seen from recent news.
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brianlom1
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Post by brianlom1 on Jun 4, 2019 21:31:09 GMT
Rather than applying a penalty interest rate, is there a way in which investors could exit the loan at term (without having to sell at a discount on the SM)?
Off the top of my head: borrowers could be set a deadline (say, one month before term) by which to request an extension. Investors would then have the option to extend their involvement or cash in their investment (at face value). New investors would be offered the opportunity to take up the slack (via auction, essentially similar to a new loan). If the 'new' loan failed to fill, the borrower would be obliged to pay the underwriter rate to fund the shortfall (or make alternative funding arrangements).
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Post by ptr120 on Jun 4, 2019 22:36:04 GMT
So in other words, a possible / probable penalty rate, but by another name? A loan that has failed to repay on time WILL fail to fill to fill a new funding round on the same terms, particularly in the current environment.
We also need to remember things from the POV of the borrower (and the platform needs to think about them too). Sometimes a loan can fail to repay or refinance at the last minute which might be entirely outside the control of a borrower. Technically, 'penalty' interest rates are usually not allowed (but additional interest rates due to late relayment are - if reasonable). Even then, sometimes hiking the interest rate isn't in the interest of either the borrower or lender and the platform needs to have some wriggle room on those decisions.
Personally, I treat the repayment date as a guide, although there are some situations (LY and the Exeter loans, MT and the N-U-L loans spring to mind) where things have gone on too long.
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