scooter
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Post by scooter on Dec 5, 2019 8:31:56 GMT
Hi, The FCA have "recorded" the issue but have no power to act. The Ombudsman are looking at it as an urgent matter.....
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Post by benaj on Dec 5, 2019 13:35:22 GMT
The new selling tool is picky. It doesn't sell any up-to-date live loans near repayment date it seems.
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Post by keitha on Dec 5, 2019 14:02:13 GMT
The new selling tool is picky. It doesn't sell any up-to-date live loans near repayment date it seems. you never could sell loans with only 1 payment left
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Post by upperdeane on Dec 5, 2019 18:38:25 GMT
Has anyone considered complaining to the FCA? I was thinking about it after reading the guidance they published (FG18 / 7: Fairness of variation terms in financial services consumer contracts under the Consumer Rights Act 2015) as I feel that there are quite a few places where the guidance suggests the change in terms and conditions could be considered unfair. In particular the table on pages 12/13 mentions things like: - whether the customer could have foreseen the change in terms when they entered the contract - whether the right to exit can be exercised in practice - balancing the interests of different groups of customers (I think this change goes too far in favour of buyers at the expense of those selling) I've opened a complaint with the Financial Ombudsman. Forum link here as to current status: p2pindependentforum.com/post/358950/thread
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Post by ashtondav on Dec 5, 2019 18:58:53 GMT
Probably increase complaints, decrease demand and slow your sales. Great idea.
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upperdeane
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Post by upperdeane on Dec 5, 2019 20:47:22 GMT
Has anyone considered complaining to the FCA? I was thinking about it after reading the guidance they published (FG18 / 7: Fairness of variation terms in financial services consumer contracts under the Consumer Rights Act 2015) as I feel that there are quite a few places where the guidance suggests the change in terms and conditions could be considered unfair. In particular the table on pages 12/13 mentions things like: - whether the customer could have foreseen the change in terms when they entered the contract - whether the right to exit can be exercised in practice - balancing the interests of different groups of customers (I think this change goes too far in favour of buyers at the expense of those selling) I didn’t give much or any thought to complaining to the FCA or FO because as annoying as it is to have queued for best the part of 5 months (14/7) pointlessly, I personally don’t see that there is a case that would make the complaint-upheld-grade. whether the customer could have foreseen the change in terms when they entered the contractThe underlying products are 5-year term loans so it was obvious to me that liquidity wasn’t guaranteed. In which case it’d be hold for term or try to sell at a discount. It’s still possible to hold to term and the transfer payment is a 1.25% discount so not exactly unpredictable or surprising and certainly not a bolt from the blue. Unless one doesn’t have a clue about the working of P2P loans. whether the right to exit can be exercised in practiceThere was no right to exit instantly with the previous system. It was dependent on supply being much smaller than demand. An exit is likely to be faster with the new tool than what had happened with the drop in confidence, drop in liquidity and ever increasing queues-cum-standstill. balancing the interests of different groups of customers (I think this change goes too far in favour of buyers at the expense of those selling)I don’t think 1.25% is too far in favour of buyers. The lesser cohorts are of the order of 1.25% off the return that might be expected. Seems a reasonably small discount to facilitate a faster exit than seeing the loans through to term. I think the balance is about right. Anyone who thinks it massively favours buyers should put their money where their mouth is and deposit money on FC and hoover up these “great second hand heavily discounted loan parts”. I’m not sure complainer-lenders have any understanding of what they expect to “win” with these complaints. If, and I personally think it might be a biggish if, the FO rules against FC what do lenders expect? I’d imagine FC would be forced to drop the new selling tool and go back to a log-jam standstill that’s worst than the previous one after the resulting bad PR a detrimental FO ruling would have. I'm not going to get drawn into discussing this in any depth as we may have somewhat differing views on the approach FC have taken here, but what I will say in relation to your " what do lenders expect" comment above is that when you lodge a complaint with the FO you get a specific question asked of what you would like the company in question to do to do to put the situation right for you. So each person complaining gets an opportunity to express their personal opinion and each complainer may desire something different. I think its fair we all have the right to complain and express our views if we feel strongly enough, and in this particular instance I thought long and hard and decided I do care enough to complain. Indeed its my first ever FO complaint. Even if it doesn't come to anything at least I feel I've don the right thing for me. I haven't encouraged anybody else to complain to the FO and i'm not the only person who has complained. Anyhow, time will tell how this turns out. Good luck to all whatever your views are on this particular one.
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Dec 11, 2019 14:20:28 GMT
The selling tool is yet to be optimised. It won't cancel the sale process when there is no more live loan for sale. Currently, too many people want "out" and I can't see FC has fixed the issue to allow investors to withdraw a lump sum within a reasonable timescale. www.fundingcircle.com/uk/investors/
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Post by sl75 on Dec 11, 2019 14:26:46 GMT
The selling tool is yet to be optimised. It won't cancel the sale process when there is no more live loan for sale. By the time your turn comes round again, one of the loans that's currently blocked from sale (e.g. due to a payment in processing) could be available for sale again...
Unless you're fortunate enough to have no "dodgy" loan parts, or unfortunate enough that all your "dodgy" loans are already unambiguously past the point of no return, it seems a little hard to define precisely the point at which it becomes impossible that any further sales could occur within the balance of 120 days.
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Post by blender on Dec 11, 2019 16:31:15 GMT
The selling tool is yet to be optimised. It won't cancel the sale process when there is no more live loan for sale. Currently, too many people want "out" and I can't see FC has fixed the issue to allow investors to withdraw a lump sum within a reasonable timescale. www.fundingcircle.com/uk/investors/1% each week? Easily pleased or low expectations?
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Post by benaj on Dec 11, 2019 16:51:45 GMT
The selling tool is yet to be optimised. It won't cancel the sale process when there is no more live loan for sale. Currently, too many people want "out" and I can't see FC has fixed the issue to allow investors to withdraw a lump sum within a reasonable timescale. www.fundingcircle.com/uk/investors/1% each week? Easily pleased or low expectations?
I expect at least 25% of the fund as a lump sum. FC new selling tool allows investors to sell the entire amount without selling a lump sum quickly at this stage. I suppose it's better than stuck for another 5 years even @ 1% each week.
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