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Post by gravitykillz on Dec 3, 2019 19:12:15 GMT
My bad. Forgot this thread had a poll.
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Post by carol167 on Dec 3, 2019 19:41:45 GMT
60% ? Based on what on data ? Or are you assuming 60%? 42% running down + 18% exiting ASAP (according to the survey at the top of the page) Well, firstly, letting it run down naturally will take between 3 and 5 years. Secondly there are over 6,000 investors. 19 votes to run off naturally & quit before 2020 is hardly indicative of the overall user base.
I'm letting mine run down for the time being - primarily because I feel over exposed given my overall portfolio, not as a direct result of the lower interest rates. Lower rates just convince me I'm doing the right thing, for me, for now.
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Post by Ace on Dec 3, 2019 20:42:55 GMT
I think the platform now has a reasonable offering going forwards, and I think it's reasonable to assess the PF quarterly and adjust the rates accordingly. However, I decided to withdraw 90% of my original capital for the following reasons: 1) I'm angry that LW have retroactively changed the contract terms. In my view, they made a mistake by raising growth rates from 6.0% to 6.5% when they should have been aware that the PF could not support this. They also reacted far too late when many posters on here were pointing out that their PF was unsustainable. Without these 2 mistakes they might well have been able to honour past contracts and bring in the new regime for new contracts only. At the very least it would have required a less dramatic reduction. 2) I was concerned that there would be a liquidity issue. It's clear that they will suffer extra withdrawals due to these changes, and they are likely to attract less new money for a while at least. I was caught out by not reacting quickly enough when FC took a liquidity nosedive and thought it reckless to risk the same with LW. To be fair, this concern has not been born out yet; my withdrawals from last Friday and from early yesterday both completed today. 3) I wanted to add funds to invest on another platform, so reducing here in the circumstances was an obvious choice. As I said, I don't think there is anything wrong with the new regime. I would have been happy if it was in place when I originally invested. I may well add more funds again in the future if it works out ok. On a separate point Matthew, I was prevented from requesting a withdraw from my Classic account until the ISA account withdraw had completed. This felt like an unnecessary restriction.
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Post by Matthew on Dec 3, 2019 20:49:48 GMT
I think the platform now has a reasonable offering going forwards, and I think it's reasonable to assess the PF quarterly and adjust the rates accordingly. However, I decided to withdraw 90% of my original capital for the following reasons: 1) I'm angry that LW have retroactively changed the contract terms. In my view, they made a mistake by raising growth rates from 6.0% to 6.5% when they should have been aware that the PF could not support this. They also reacted far too late when many posters on here were pointing out that their PF was unsustainable. Without these 2 mistakes they might well have been able to honour past contracts and bring in the new regime for new contracts only. At the very least it would have required a less dramatic reduction. 2) I was concerned that there would be a liquidity issue. It's clear that they will suffer extra withdrawals due to these changes, and they are likely to attract less new money for a while at least. I was caught out by not reacting quickly enough when FC took a liquidity nosedive and thought it reckless to risk the same with LW. To be fair, this concern has not been born out yet; my withdrawals from last Friday and from early yesterday both completed today. 3) I wanted to add funds to invest on another platform, so reducing here in the circumstances was an obvious choice. As I said, I don't think there is anything wrong with the new regime. I would have been happy if it was in place when I originally invested. I may well add more funds again in the future if it works out ok. On a separate point Matthew , I was prevented from requesting a withdraw from my Classic account until the ISA account withdraw had completed. This felt like an unnecessary restriction. Hi AceI'm not aware of any withdrawal restriction when there is a pending withdrawal from another account. I'd raise this directly with customer service (cs@lendingworks.co.uk or 020 7096 8512) and they can look into it for you. Thanks
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Post by wishy on Dec 3, 2019 20:51:59 GMT
I agree with you Ace, they must have known the real situation for ages.
Why did they raise the rates and lure lenders into a long queue for a rate they knew they would not be able to honour?
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Post by Matthew on Dec 3, 2019 20:54:17 GMT
60% effectively ditching LW. I guess it will reduce cash drag for the remaining 40%. Lets hope the 40% have the biggest wedge.
Bl**dy hell, Mathew reassure, please. REASSURE... It's quite a leap from the results of this poll to 60% of all investors ditching LW... Of course we've seen some people take an early withdrawal (some of whom were drawing down anyway for various reasons) but this has been a tiny portion of the overall customer base. Most people are generally satisfied with the changes given the stability it provides to the contingency fund structure, and are happy to sacrifice some interest to achieve this. Thanks
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Post by macq on Dec 3, 2019 22:21:12 GMT
60% effectively ditching LW. I guess it will reduce cash drag for the remaining 40%. Lets hope the 40% have the biggest wedge.
Bl**dy hell, Mathew reassure, please. REASSURE... It's quite a leap from the results of this poll to 60% of all investors ditching LW... Of course we've seen some people take an early withdrawal (some of whom were drawing down anyway for various reasons) but this has been a tiny portion of the overall customer base. Most people are generally satisfied with the changes given the stability it provides to the contingency fund structure, and are happy to sacrifice some interest to achieve this. Thanks think you may have answered part of this question before - but is institutional money covered the same way by the shield and secondly did you seek out their opinions on your changes first(assume they have the same rates or the equivalent cut) as wondering how its been received?
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Post by Matthew on Dec 4, 2019 10:54:31 GMT
It's quite a leap from the results of this poll to 60% of all investors ditching LW... Of course we've seen some people take an early withdrawal (some of whom were drawing down anyway for various reasons) but this has been a tiny portion of the overall customer base. Most people are generally satisfied with the changes given the stability it provides to the contingency fund structure, and are happy to sacrifice some interest to achieve this. Thanks think you may have answered part of this question before - but is institutional money covered the same way by the shield and secondly did you seek out their opinions on your changes first(assume they have the same rates or the equivalent cut) as wondering how its been received? Hi macqThe Shield only covers retail investors so these changes don't affect our institutional investors. They receive gross rates and are directly exposed to losses on the loans they fund. Thanks
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Post by wishy on Dec 4, 2019 12:04:09 GMT
I haven't ticked anything yet because I am still deciding. I would like to know what my average interest rate is likely to become on 1st Jan 2020, before I decide. Would it be possible for LW to show the users predicted average rate?
E.g. where you have:
The weighted average interest rate on your active loans is x.xx%.
You could add something like:
On 1st Jan 2020 this is currently predicted to change to x.xx%.
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Post by Ukmikk on Dec 4, 2019 12:18:33 GMT
60% effectively ditching LW. I guess it will reduce cash drag for the remaining 40%. Lets hope the 40% have the biggest wedge.
Bl**dy hell, Mathew reassure, please. REASSURE... It's quite a leap from the results of this poll to 60% of all investors ditching LW... Of course we've seen some people take an early withdrawal (some of whom were drawing down anyway for various reasons) but this has been a tiny portion of the overall customer base. Most people are generally satisfied with the changes given the stability it provides to the contingency fund structure, and are happy to sacrifice some interest to achieve this. Thanks It's also quite a leap to suggest that lenders are 'happy' with the loss of interest to compensate for LWs actual performance failing to meet their predictions. I think 'resigned to' might be a more accurate description. Also have you reconsidered the decision to stop monthly stats reporting given the performance issues which have now come to light, I'm still waiting for an answer on this. Thanks.
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Post by wishy on Dec 4, 2019 12:41:40 GMT
Does the run off option make sense for an ISA account? Run off will mean small amounts of cash becoming available to transfer on an almost daily basis for 5 years. How is this situation managed given the awkwardness of ISA transfers?
Is it possible to arrange for available cash to be automatically electronically transferred to a cash ISA on a regular basis?
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Post by carol167 on Dec 4, 2019 13:33:11 GMT
Does the run off option make sense for an ISA account? Run off will mean small amounts of cash becoming available to transfer on an almost daily basis for 5 years. How is this situation managed given the awkwardness of ISA transfers? Is it possible to arrange for available cash to be automatically electronically transferred to a cash ISA on a regular basis? I'm letting the ISA repayments accumulate/be reinvested in the "flexible" option until there's 5k - then I'll sell and do a transfer. Doing that in blocks of 5k seems reasonable to me.
I'm running down the ISA only because I need to reduce my level in LW anyway and no longer earn enough to pay income tax, so maximising my p-2-p income with ISA's is not such a need - especially in light of reducing rates now.
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Post by stevexxx on Dec 4, 2019 14:28:45 GMT
So, ive thought long and hard about this and have just phoned LW to clarify a few points.., mainly that the loans remain in a collective as the new rules seemed unclear on this and that I was right in assuming the 6.5% rate on my present loans will become flexible and drop, the answer was yes to both.. I will say LW were very helpful and answered the call within seconds so customer service seems A1..
I'm diversifying investments at the moment, stocks n shares forming a bigger part but I think overall higher risk then p2p
I can get 2% in a 3 year savings account. but still a big shortfall on p2p
I dont like the way LW put up their rates the way they did, I thought it wasn't going to be sustainable and would much preferred it to stay at around 5 to 5.5% and I don't think this mess would have happened, perhaps they were trying to grow their way out of trouble, but i've enjoyed good growth for the period.. At least it seems someone had taken the bull by the horns now and we will have to pay for those high rates but I don't mind that as long as LW is a viable business.. I would much rather be earning 4% then 2% but I have to ask myself the big question..
Is LW viable?
If the answer is no I need to get my money out and ive been debating this for a month or so now suspecting that the coarse it was on was just not viable however with the new changes in place that somewhat changes my opinion as long as everyone is willing to accept lower growth.. I think LW will do what is needed now and I believe its one of the better p2p platforms with a future. I think we have got to accept the good days are gone and lower rates will be the norm for a while and with ratesetter at 4% and zopa in real terms at 3.7% in my own investments its starting to to reflect the market risk. Yes I believe LW in sustainable in the long term but might have to accept lower rates from time to time, and this is one of those times..
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Post by macq on Dec 4, 2019 15:13:46 GMT
think you may have answered part of this question before - but is institutional money covered the same way by the shield and secondly did you seek out their opinions on your changes first(assume they have the same rates or the equivalent cut) as wondering how its been received? Hi macq The Shield only covers retail investors so these changes don't affect our institutional investors. They receive gross rates and are directly exposed to losses on the loans they fund. Thanks thanks for the info - but is gross rates the same as saying different or is it how my mind works having watched politictians answer on the campaign trail?
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Post by stevexxx on Dec 10, 2019 18:36:06 GMT
I've changed my mind and getting out.. Not entirely happy with the pooling no longer active in the event of platform collapse or pf depletion...
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