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Post by macq on Jan 8, 2021 9:37:11 GMT
If it was not for the fact i only have a few quid left i would be pushing hard to get some facts/info and deciding if i could do anything more. To me LW in email after email say they are doing the right thing and trying to be fair to all no matter when they joined and in someways its hard for the average investor to argue that and it could be true but its hard to see with no figures.Don't forget its a simple variable rate account with 2 products (say LW) 1.Now how many people who decided they wanted to be in p2p for better rates picked LW because its simple? - the vast majority would be my guess 2.If logging into your account what does the average investor see? You get a home page that tells you your wallet,loans,total account and withdrawn and surprise surprise a portfolio projection preset to good performance and not the poor preset. 3.But is there a box telling you what rate your earning or what the deductions are?Well yes in away click loans and it shows a weighted avg rate etc(at this point you may wonder why its not the same as the headline rate on the homepage that strangely you see first) 4 Ok you think there must be away for that person who has chosen this "simple" product to check whats happening under this new & fair policy and check the deductions/negative rate/claw back? um ...... 5 Good news it must be under One of the tabs on the side of my ISA - add money,lending settings,withdraw,statements or transfer ISA.So no that does not tell me anything either 6.So the average investor who is used to to looking at a Bank/BS account page and has joined because its simple looks at their homepage and at first glance see's no deductions or rate cuts etc 7 As not sure what the email was talking about there's need to complain so lets go and make a cup of tea and look in a few months 8 "SIMPLE"
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Post by m1kehunt on Jan 8, 2021 17:32:11 GMT
This is the response I got:
Hi ******,
Apologies for the delayed response. While I was off sick, my colleagues had no access to my emails due to a technical issue.
We requested our risk and analytics team to validate your account, and we confirm it is working correctly. Provided the performance of the portfolio is in line with our most recent forecast, then the performance of your investment will be in line with the annualised return figures shown in the chart within your account. Please note that the “Capital repayment received” transactions are stated net of any “Shield contribution adjustment”, so the gross capital repayment is the sum of those transactions.
As highlighted in previous communications, due to the timing of the loan defaults due to the COVID-19 crisis, the phasing of the negative interest rates is forecast to be most severe for the first 3 months; then the impact will reduce significantly. We expect in the Q4 2020 performance update, which will be delivered at the end of January 2021, we will announce the phasing of the negative interest rates will ease significantly.
Across the whole retail investor customer base, the impact of the negative interest rates is forecast to be approximately -2% annualised, although each account will be impacted slightly differently relative to which annual cohort of loans each retail investor invested in. A significant proportion of that -2% annualised will be deducted in the first three months. In fact, our forecast is that some of the cohorts will then move to a 0% return for the rest of their life, whereas others will move to a modest negative interest rate for the rest of their life. It is important to note that the annual cohorts with the highest current Shield deductions are also those from which a significant amount of interest has already been received, with much lower remaining balances.
All of this, though, is based on our forecast of the portfolio performance, which can change (positive or negative), hence why we provide quarterly performance updates.
I hope this helps. Again, I'm sorry for the time its taken to come back to you. If you have any further questions, please feel free to get back in touch.
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macq
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Post by macq on Jan 8, 2021 20:10:51 GMT
Thanks - is there an English version?
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Post by m1kehunt on Jan 9, 2021 14:02:38 GMT
English version below:
Hi******
We are going to rob you of more of your hard earned cash but dont worry it wont be for long honest! You're helping other investors get out of the mess we created.. Our next update will have good news (wink wink)..
Thanks
LW
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Post by benaj on Jan 9, 2021 18:19:08 GMT
Update from my partner's account (December) Shield contribution for late loans: £-1.05 Capital received from the shield: £1.71 Getting 39% capital repayment back from arrears. Shield contribution for active loans loans: £-23.24 Capital received from active loans: £63.37 Getting 63% capital repayment back from active loans. Let's hope the relending in January will reduce these shield contribution significantly. Latest observation since 2021
NO SHIELD CONTRIBUTION YET.
Spoke too soon. Shield contribution carries on. Started on the 4th Jan
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Post by invester on Jan 10, 2021 10:58:04 GMT
I've lost something like 15% of my lifetime interest here in the space of a few months.
has anyone gone to the ombudsman over this? If the pandemic stretches out for years what is to stop them taking my account down to zero?
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Post by jlend on Jan 11, 2021 11:53:18 GMT
I don't doubt that the figures LW are providing are correct and perhaps have some value given investing should be thought of long term.
I think what many lenders want though is detailed information on what rate of return and what capital deductions they can currently expect this year, irrespective of what has happened in the past. Of course this is no guarantee of actual returns.
I only have a few pounds left having exited before the lockdown of selling out so for me all it is doing is putting me off investing in the future.
If I think about other investment classes, you would often see % returns over time, say 1,3,5 years and % returns year to date.
A "year to date" return figure on the website would be useful, as would a "estimated return in the current year" even if this turned out to be different over time. LW must have both these figures after calculating how much money to divert to the Shield so I can't see why this should be a secret. Perhaps there is some regulatory reason they can't display both of these figures but I have never asked.
I expect a surprisingly high number of investors have auto invest still turned on.
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Post by keystone on Jan 11, 2021 16:08:04 GMT
I've lost something like 15% of my lifetime interest here in the space of a few months. has anyone gone to the ombudsman over this? If the pandemic stretches out for years what is to stop them taking my account down to zero?There is plenty of time to go for you to lose the other 85%. You have to make your complaint to Lending Works first before you can go to the Ombudsman. Once they receive 25 Complaints they have to pay a fee to the Ombudsman service. They were at 21, so every little helps. They definitely won't take your account down to zero unless the global situation deteriorates, the coin lands on tails, the dart lands on any treble, it rains on Wednesday at 2.37pm or if they feel like it. Lending Works have stated that the annual returns received by every retail investor over the lifetime of their investment are expected to remain positive. Of course they can and probably will take it down to 1 pence and fulfill that pledge. Meanwhile in other events, Growth Street, who had called a resolution event in June 2020 and have closed down have returned 100% of investors capital and interest up to that date. Covid19 has singled out Lending Works in particular so investors have not only lost 6 months of interest like at Growth Street but will lose 6 years of previously paid interest, either that or Lending Works are a bunch of incompetent ********.
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Post by oppsididitagain on Jan 11, 2021 16:49:30 GMT
I think we all need to complain to LW.
From my conversations with them last week, the new lending is completely ring fenced from the old lending. So in Brief, they are resetting the clock and starting again. Apparently its 2 separate shield pots as well, which I dont get, as surely the old business model didnt work but this time it will ? All money from 2014/2019 is 'stuck' earning nothing , well effectively its costing you to have money on the platform. You cant sell existing loans to new investors.
For some bizarre reason, which they won't disclose, they won't merge the new with the old ? They are expecting me to invest new money into the new loan pool ? Why would anyone do that considering the past ? I guess you can effectively offset your negative rates/losses from Pre2019 with new interest but who is to say they wont follow a similar path in the new pot, if things get bad again ?
For me the simplist thing - to not only spread risk, but to treat investors fairly, would be to merge the loan pots.
LW have completely F..ked off their old retail investors and will no doubt be chasing corporate money form now on, hence why they dont really care about us.
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Post by markymark on Jan 11, 2021 20:00:22 GMT
Yet again the FCA is beating up on bitcoin and crypto on the BBC website, they do make me laugh! They stand by and do nothing as certain FCA regulated P2P companies help themselves to investors funds, keeping there zombie companies alive. Perhaps the FCA might better spend their time a bit nearer home, keeping on eye on those they supposedly already regulate! One of the reasons people are flocking to crypto in the first place, is because they're fed up with being stitched up by centralized financial institutions whilst the so called regulator stands by and does absolutely nothing. You won't control crypto, so why waste time trying, perhaps that's what concerns them so much, people free to make investment choices with no centralised control, no one holds your funds, only the investor has control of his/her money.
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Post by buzzablinio on Jan 11, 2021 21:56:47 GMT
"I've lost something like 15% of my lifetime interest here in the space of a few months. has anyone gone to the ombudsman over this? If the pandemic stretches out for years what is to stop them taking my account down to zero?" Rather than wait for someone else to complain, people need to take action themselves. The more people that take this to the Ombudsman the more likely some action will be taken. The first step it to complain to LW. State clearly what you believe to be wrong and what you expect them to do to remedy the situation. When you reach deadlock, ie they refuse to acknowledge any wrong doing or to offer any compensation, that is when you can go to the Ombudsman. I'm amazed people are still procrastinating as if LW are going to sort this out....they are not, its down to you to act.
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Post by morris on Jan 12, 2021 7:14:59 GMT
I'm getting increasing amounts of money returned to me recently. Are LS getting rid of investors money and funding loans with cheaper sources.
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Post by oppsididitagain on Jan 12, 2021 10:42:54 GMT
I'm getting increasing amounts of money returned to me recently. Are LS getting rid of investors money and funding loans with cheaper sources. check your statements, but its more than likely the shield is paying out on defaulted loans..
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Post by tommycatz on Jan 12, 2021 21:05:57 GMT
I have just sent a complaint to LW about the Shield contribution adjustment. Now I have December's figures.
I will ask my wife to send one too.
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Post by Ace on Jan 12, 2021 23:15:14 GMT
My statement for December 2020 is still not available, only goes up to November in the dropdown list 2020.
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