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Post by macq on Dec 15, 2019 8:53:30 GMT
we all have our opinions on politicians and likes and dislikes etc and that was probably proved this week and i don't disagree with all your statements on some of the candidates.But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country?
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 15, 2019 9:22:11 GMT
we all have our opinions on politicians and likes and dislikes etc and that was probably proved this week and i don't disagree with all your statements on some of the candidates.But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country? The extraordinary statistic is this. Since the second world war, all politicians who were elected in a general election to be PM were educated at one single University, Oxford. The only is exception is John Major, because he was the only one who didn't attend university. So statistically, the most important thing Labour should do is elect as leader someone educated at Oxford. This means the only realistic candidate is Keir Starmer of those likely to stand, although that is cheating a little as he attended as a postgraduate, whereas all other elected PMs were undergraduates.
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 15, 2019 9:24:14 GMT
Is it just me that thinks that almost all of the potential Labour leaders will be utterly unelectable. Almost all do not have anywhere near the personality, intellect or likability to be PM. Against BJ and Cummings all would be eaten alive and I believe if any of the following were elected the Labour Party will be finished. The only person I see has half credible as a leader, and not that I agree with her on most things or think she will win is Yvette Cooper. A little summary below of why the following are all disasters. Rebecca Long-Bailey: quite simply no where near the intellect required for PM. Somebody that went to Manchester Metropolitan University should not be running the country, simple. Absolutely zero popular appeal or presence. Jess Phillips: has a constant condescending scowl and anger in her that makes her have no appeal at all. Constantly negative, only speaks about the poor people she claims to represent. No aspiration or hope in her politics. Utterly unlikable or electable. Kier Starmer: The very man that forced labour to take its extraordinarily unfathomable position on Brexit. Represents liberal internationalist ideals and has no understanding for the lives of what used to be labour voters. Again has the irritating habit of looking aghast and in disgust at all who don’t share his views. At least the guy has some intellect but only manages to use that to condescend and ignore the views of the majority. Emily Thornberry: again nowhere near the intellect or personality to be PM. Has no popular appeal or has displayed that she is likeable outside of Labour inner circles. See my post above: Yvette Cooper went to Oxford as an undergraduate. Statistically she would be the one to go for.
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Post by macq on Dec 15, 2019 9:27:42 GMT
we all have our opinions on politicians and likes and dislikes etc and that was probably proved this week and i don't disagree with all your statements on some of the candidates.But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country? The extraordinary statistic is this. Since the second world war, all politicians who were elected in a general election to be PM were educated at one single University, Oxford. The only is exception is John Major, because he was the only one who didn't attend university. So statistically, the most important thing Labour should do is elect as leader someone educated at Oxford. This means the only realistic candidate is Keir Starmer of those likely to stand, although that is cheating a little as he attended as a postgraduate, whereas all other elected PMs were undergraduates. Damn that was going to be my next point about should we leave off Cambridge or how Major went from leaving school to become a Sir
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Post by macq on Dec 15, 2019 9:52:06 GMT
we all have our opinions on politicians and likes and dislikes etc and that was probably proved this week and i don't disagree with all your statements on some of the candidates.But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country? To be blunt yes that is what I am saying. To be a PM you need to be able to handle a range of issues with intelligence and whit. She does not have this ability. Just look at her interviews. I am not saying any PM should be Oxbridge, but at least pretty intelligent is a pre-requistite. Totally agree about the level of intelligence and it is obvious that there is a political elite when it comes to PM but that's only to be expected i guess as there is a difference in quality between schools & uni's etc and i accept that.But in this day and age it seems we have moved on from saying a women cannot do the job or the colour of your skin counts against you (to a smaller amount)but where you went to school and then Uni probably still does
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 15, 2019 9:55:20 GMT
To be blunt yes that is what I am saying. To be a PM you need to be able to handle a range of issues with intelligence and whit. She does not have this ability. Just look at her interviews. I am not saying any PM should be Oxbridge, but at least pretty intelligent is a pre-requistite. Totally agree about the level of intelligence and it is obvious that there is a political elite when it comes to PM but that's only to be expected i guess as there is a difference in quality between schools & uni's etc and i accept that.But in this day and age it seems we have moved on from saying a women cannot do the job or the colour of your skin counts against you but where you went to school and then Uni probably still does You may not be saying it, but the combination of parties and electorate seem to have said just this, except it's not even Oxbridge, it's just Oxford.
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Post by keitha on Dec 15, 2019 10:56:52 GMT
I think Stephen Kinnock might be worth a punt but he's another who tends to sneer at those who disagree.
Honestly it made me chortle this morning, the Tories now seem to be the party that represents the average working man, and Labour the metropolitan elite, what a reversal.
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Post by batchoy on Dec 15, 2019 11:08:32 GMT
It is likely that Labour will have un-electable Leader for the foreseeable future or at least until they change the party rules on how the leader is elected.
Their problem is that the party is too democratic and a significant proportion of membership is too focused on being socialist party than it is interested in being a party of government.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 15, 2019 11:12:40 GMT
JC appears intent on staying on long enough to anoint somebody in his image. That would surely be the death knell of the Labour party.
Wonder where momentum go from here?
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 15, 2019 11:49:54 GMT
we all have our opinions on politicians and likes and dislikes etc and that was probably proved this week and i don't disagree with all your statements on some of the candidates.But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country? The extraordinary statistic is this. Since the second world war, all politicians who were elected in a general election to be PM were educated at one single University, Oxford. The only is exception is John Major, because he was the only one who didn't attend university. So statistically, the most important thing Labour should do is elect as leader someone educated at Oxford. This means the only realistic candidate is Keir Starmer of those likely to stand, although that is cheating a little as he attended as a postgraduate, whereas all other elected PMs were undergraduates. Sorry, Major and Churchill, neither of whom went to university. But no University other than Oxford has educated an elected PM since 1935 - when the election was won by Stanley Baldwin, a Cambridge graduate.
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Post by registerme on Dec 15, 2019 11:52:58 GMT
Wonder where momentum go from here?
That may well end up defining the future of the party more than whoever they choose to be their next leader.
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Post by davee39 on Dec 15, 2019 12:04:11 GMT
Any labour leady will be irrelevant.
Brexit by next december, A flood of jobs and investment in the north. Refinancing the NHS. better transport. More police. Solving the elderly/social care problems. Lots of affordable housing. Lower taxes. Warmer winters (due to climate inaction). Donald Trump as head of state.
Who in the north would ever vote labour again? (Scotland is lost for good).
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Post by batchoy on Dec 15, 2019 12:13:46 GMT
Wonder where momentum go from here?
They will strive for greater internal party democracy, thus rendering the party even more unelectable.
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Post by iRobot on Dec 15, 2019 12:20:14 GMT
... Somebody that went to Manchester Metropolitan University should not be running the country, simple. ... ... But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country? To be blunt yes that is what I am saying. ... There may be MMU alumni - or, indeed, alumni from other seats of learning - who take offence at that statement. Of course, they may be too dumb to realise they've been slighted. Actually, not having attended university at all, am I intelligent enough to form a valid opinion? Compose a credible response? In all seriousness; to this reader, at least, it does come across as a rather elitist view.
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Post by daveb on Dec 15, 2019 12:28:45 GMT
Presume people are ignoring Brown (Edinburgh) and Callaghan (passed Oxford entrance, couldn't afford to go, according to Wikipedia) as they took over from the election winning PM. And Churchill was clearly intellectual even without going to university at all. Anyone Labour pick will be (1) far better and more electable than Corbyn, and (2) highly unlikely to win in 2024. I don't think a majority of 80 has been overturned to government for the opposition, the best Labour can hope for is a Tory minority governemnt.
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