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Post by macq on Dec 15, 2019 12:37:57 GMT
... Somebody that went to Manchester Metropolitan University should not be running the country, simple. ... ... But are you really saying anybody who goes to Manchester Metro Uni or perhaps other seats of learning is not clever enough to run the country? To be blunt yes that is what I am saying. ... There may be MMU alumni - or, indeed, alumni from other seats of learning - who take offence at that statement. Of course, they may be too dumb to realise they've been slighted. Actually, not having attended university at all, am I intelligent enough to form a valid opinion? Compose a credible response? In all seriousness; to this reader, at least, it does come across as a rather elitist view. Julie Waters went there and might get my vote
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Post by macq on Dec 15, 2019 12:39:41 GMT
Any labour leady will be irrelevant. Brexit by next december, A flood of jobs and investment in the north. Refinancing the NHS. better transport. More police. Solving the elderly/social care problems. Lots of affordable housing. Lower taxes. Warmer winters (due to climate inaction). Donald Trump as head of state. Who in the north would ever vote labour again? (Scotland is lost for good). Well i can at least believe DT as head of state
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Post by macq on Dec 15, 2019 13:36:51 GMT
There may be MMU alumni - or, indeed, alumni from other seats of learning - who take offence at that statement. Of course, they may be too dumb to realise they've been slighted. Actually, not having attended university at all, am I intelligent enough to form a valid opinion? Compose a credible response? In all seriousness; to this reader, at least, it does come across as a rather elitist view. This is nothing to do with being elitist. This is to do with the reality that to be elected to be PM you need to be intelligent. Why would somebody intelligent go to MMU? Is that offensive, maybe but it’s reality. Anyway the institution isn’t the issue the problem is that Rebecca long Bailey has none of the attributes required for being a good PM. Hopefully none of your P2P platform managers are that thick that they went to MMU
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Post by iRobot on Dec 15, 2019 14:06:40 GMT
Why would somebody intelligent go to MMU?
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Post by keitha on Dec 15, 2019 16:42:07 GMT
JC appears intent on staying on long enough to anoint somebody in his image. That would surely be the death knell of the Labour party.
Wonder where momentum go from here?
Ensuring the next leader is a JC clone oh as a potential leader of Labour I want to throw a hat into the ring and yes I know he was nominally a Conservative , John Bercow, momentum wouldn't even need to change the songs that much
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Post by keitha on Dec 15, 2019 16:55:22 GMT
Presume people are ignoring Brown (Edinburgh) and Callaghan (passed Oxford entrance, couldn't afford to go, according to Wikipedia) as they took over from the election winning PM. And Churchill was clearly intellectual even without going to university at all. Anyone Labour pick will be (1) far better and more electable than Corbyn, and (2) highly unlikely to win in 2024. I don't think a majority of 80 has been overturned to government for the opposition, the best Labour can hope for is a Tory minority governemnt.
Well in 1978 the Tories lost 178 seats, labour gained 145, but scots nationalists only won 6, Scotland leaving the UK will seriously hinder labour, but staying in will also make it harder for labour to win alone. so a bigger issue now is the Scots nationalists are likely to win at least 50% of the seats in Scotland meaning labour would effectively need to gain 75 seats in England to get a majority.
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Post by daveb on Dec 15, 2019 17:50:38 GMT
Presume people are ignoring Brown (Edinburgh) and Callaghan (passed Oxford entrance, couldn't afford to go, according to Wikipedia) as they took over from the election winning PM. And Churchill was clearly intellectual even without going to university at all. Anyone Labour pick will be (1) far better and more electable than Corbyn, and (2) highly unlikely to win in 2024. I don't think a majority of 80 has been overturned to government for the opposition, the best Labour can hope for is a Tory minority governemnt.
Well in 1978 the Tories lost 178 seats, labour gained 145, but scots nationalists only won 6, Scotland leaving the UK will seriously hinder labour, but staying in will also make it harder for labour to win alone. so a bigger issue now is the Scots nationalists are likely to win at least 50% of the seats in Scotland meaning labour would effectively need to gain 75 seats in England to get a majority. I don't remember a GE in 1978. There was one in 1997 at which Labour gained 145 and Tories lost 171.
But yes you are right about the rise of the SNP removing about 50 labour seats-a crippling blow.
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 15, 2019 19:27:48 GMT
Presume people are ignoring Brown (Edinburgh) and Callaghan (passed Oxford entrance, couldn't afford to go, according to Wikipedia) as they took over from the election winning PM. And Churchill was clearly intellectual even without going to university at all. Anyone Labour pick will be (1) far better and more electable than Corbyn, and (2) highly unlikely to win in 2024. I don't think a majority of 80 has been overturned to government for the opposition, the best Labour can hope for is a Tory minority governemnt.
Brown was never elected in a General election as PM, nor was Callaghan. Every PM elected in a GE since WW2, who went to University, went to Oxford, and the last one who didn't was Stanley Baldwin in 1935 who went to Cambridge.
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Post by travolta on Dec 15, 2019 19:58:29 GMT
On no not me : Hilary Benn , after the others crash and burn. Sussex Socialism .
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Post by m2btj on Dec 16, 2019 12:09:41 GMT
Emily Thornberry despises the working classes & their white vans! She may even find them rather stupid. She is however, a purveyor of fine Champagne Socialism.
Stephen Kinnock was suckled on the bountiful teats of the EU...a very rich source of nutrition. Made multimillionaires of his father, mother & wife...although he did stop living in Copenhagen as soon as he got wind that the Danes were looking into his tax status & a whopping tax bill! He fled back to London....not Aberavon! I'm not even sure he knows where Aberavon is.
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Post by keitha on Dec 16, 2019 15:26:12 GMT
And for those who don't know:-
Aberavon
has a very nice beach, and is between Cardiff and Carmarthen, very close to port Talbot.
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Post by m2btj on Dec 16, 2019 16:04:22 GMT
And for those who don't know:- Aberavon has a very nice beach, and is between Cardiff and Carmarthen, very close to port Talbot. My father is from Carmarthen & a very nice part of Wales it is too! The local beaches are some of the best in Britain. My father always said that if you put a red rosette on a donkey, the locals will vote for it!
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 16, 2019 16:08:27 GMT
And for those who don't know:- Aberavon has a very nice beach, and is between Cardiff and Carmarthen, very close to port Talbot. My father is from Carmarthen & a very nice part of Wales it is too! The local beaches are some of the best in Britain. My father always said that if you put a red rosette on a donkey, the locals will vote for it! Well they did, and they didn't.
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Post by registerme on Dec 17, 2019 21:35:16 GMT
Re MMU, do I need to remind people that Dominic Raab, who is as thick as porcine poop, went to both Oxford and Cambridge?
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 17, 2019 22:26:14 GMT
Cabinet members who went to Oxford. Your next elected Tory PM likely to come from here. BJ the most likely, of course, assuming he doesn't get bored and escapes impeachment for one or other of his many misconducts.
Boris Johnson Oxford Dominic Raab Oxford Matt Hancock Oxford Liz Truss Oxford Robert Jenrick Oxford Nicky Morgan Oxford Rishi Sunak Oxford Michael Gove Oxford Jacob Rees-Mogg Oxford Thérèse Coffey Oxford
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