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Post by captainconfident on Jan 12, 2020 11:40:34 GMT
Assetz 36% Ratsetter 18% Wisealpha 12% Thincats 10% Archover 8% LW 8% FC 6% LC 5% Lendy 3% FK, ABL, Rebs, Abundance 1%ea. EU Portfolio Mintos 34% Estateguru 18% Wisealpha EU 11% Viainvest 10% Peerberry 10% Viventor, LookenFin, October, Twino, Lendermarket 4% ea. 15% of that Assetz total is in default of one kind or another, being mainly GBBA allocated Disaster Monkey, plus the EXIM water mine debacle and GEIA ILI fiasco. Most of my Assetz funds are simply on deposit, on a hair trigger to withdraw. I reported this in Nov. 18 Assetz Capital 28 Steady Thin Cats 19 Reducing Funding Circle 13 Steady Ratesetter 7 Steady Mintos 5 Increasing Lendy 5 Steady Funding Knight 4.5 My favourite. Hanging in as long as I can. Archover 4.5 Increasing Twino 3 Steady wiseAlpha 2 Increasing Wellesley 2 Finishing 2 wks. Moneything 1 Steady Estateguru 1 Increasing REBS 1 Steady Ablrate 0.2 Never really got to grips with it Abundance 0.2 Yawn. p2pindependentforum.com/post/231712
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Post by Ace on Jan 12, 2020 16:30:35 GMT
Hi all, and thanks for sharing.
It seems that AC are at or near the top of most people's lists. Not really too much of a surprise since they offer both higher rate manual selection investments with a very large selection of loans to choose from, and lower rate auto investments with PF protection with varying notice terms, so they can attract lenders with varying risk appetites.
The other platform that's high up in most people's lists is RS. This is more of a surprise for me as it's a platform that I've never learned to love, and the recent reduction in rates has me heading for a passive exit.
Anyway, here's a current snapshot of my list:
Loanpad 21.54% ABLrate 18.78% Assetz Capital 7.81% CrowdProperty 6.11% Lending Works 5.36% Proplend 5.07% AxiaFunder 4.47% BrickOwner 4.02% Growth Street 3.56% Unbolted 3.13% LandlordInvest 2.63% Uown 2.60% British Pearl 2.53% Assetz Exchange 2.08% Property Partner 1.75% MoneyThing 1.66% CapitalRise 1.49% CrowdStacker 1.30% Find Ourselves 1.06% Kuflink 0.85% Zopa 0.75% Robocash 0.43% Mintos 0.36% Grupeer 0.34% Ratesetter 0.25% Funding Circle 0.20% Lendy 0.05%
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Post by skidrow on Jan 12, 2020 16:33:51 GMT
I'm in the process of rebalancing.
In November 2019 it looked like this: Stocks and Shares 67% P2P 26% FSCS savings 7%
The P2P consisted of: AC 24% CP 10% GS 12% LP 10% LW 23% withdrawing repayments PL 7% R 12% withdrawing repayments Z 3% withdrawing repayments
By the end of January 2020 it will look like this:
Stocks and Shares 69% P2P 14% FSCS savings 17%
P2P consisting of: AC 21% CP 18% GS zero. Currently pulling out LP 18% LW zero. Already withdrawn PL 13% R 23% withdrawing payments Z 7% withdrawing payments
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 12, 2020 20:02:51 GMT
Assetz Capital | 37.8% | All MLA 1.8% to be written off | Funding Secure | 19.0% | 1.6% cash / 17.4% loans Guess 4% to be written off | Lendy | 10.1% | Guess 7% to be written off | Proplend | 7.2% | All A tranches
| MoneyThing | 5.5% | 1.5% to be wriiten off (Birk-B/RCC/Lyth) | Collateral | 5.5% | Guess 4% to be written off | Loanpad | 5.0% |
| Funding Circle | 4.2% | Still recycling repayments
| Growth Street | 3.2% |
| ThinCats | 2.1% | 0.6% recoverable / 1.5% to be written off | Funding Empire | 0.3% | Final loan matures early 2021
| Abundance | 0.2% |
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Cash withdrawals from L/FS/MT/TC this year likely to be removed from p2p, although I may add a little to LP & PL. In general I am not comfortable with increasing my exposure to any platform at present.
Approx 20% is fairly certain to be written off, with a further 25% currently distressed and/or in dead platforms. My FS write off figure is possibly on the low side as I suspect the 2.5% + VAT fee deduction will end up being increased, and the L write off figure is possibly on the high side as I'm assuming the waterfall fee deductions are gone for ever.
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Post by brightspark on Jan 12, 2020 20:54:38 GMT
100% of active p to p investment in AC. Small zombie holdings in FC, FS, Lendy and a bit more in Collateral. Essentially static p to p investment level in 2019 with no inclination to alter. 10% of AC p to p investment currently in cash account as not enough desired new loans coming forward.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Jan 12, 2020 23:37:56 GMT
My investments are fairly simple as I recently rebalanced them over xmas as I do each year.
Stocks and Shares 75% P2P: 15% Cash & Fixed Cash Securties 10%
All of my holdings are in Assets Capital, I plan on halving this soon to put into further S&S.
AC is the only platform I have confidence in, but my confidence is still extremely cautious, I do not intend to have avoided Lendy and Funding secure (both of which I had high five figure sums in 2016) to only be shot down by not learning from this forum. I still have less than 1k in Funding secure and Lendy combined, of which I dont' expect to see back and have no issues with that as my profit far exceeded it.
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Post by failedtheturingtest on Jan 13, 2020 11:01:13 GMT
Interesting to see the different approaches reported here. Some people seem to be investing in as many P2P platforms as they possibly can, while others dabble in just a few. I'm a dabbler. I have at various times invested in Zopa, Funding Circle, Ratesetter, and Fund Ourselves (when it was Welendus), but I have withdrawn from all of those and today my P2P portfolio is in just three platforms:
Abundance: 60% Assetz: 20% Unbolted: 20%
P2P platforms only make up a very small slice of my total investments, though. Most of my money is in stock and bond index funds and ETFs (not direct stock-picking).
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Post by KoR_Wraith on Jan 13, 2020 13:55:11 GMT
Ablrate 42% (expect 3.5% write-off) BridgeCrowd 27% Moneything 11% (expect 2% write-off) FundingSecure 6% (expect 2% write-off) Lendy 5% (expect 3.5% write-off) Assetz 4% Huddle 3% FundingCircle 1% Unbolted 1%
I expect to write-off 11% of my total P2P portfolio as the administration of my currently defaulted loans progress. I have not had any previous losses. Sadly this figure is likely only to increase as time goes on.
I was badly stung by the Ablrate funded brewery this year (reflected above) which came as a bit of a surprise to me.
The biggest difference in my portfolio versus other forumites is my low investment in Assetz Capital and zero in Ratesetter, as I (perhaps foolishly) pursued higher rates. I'm struggling to add funds to any platform at the moment due to my own higher lending standards as a result of defaulted loans.
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Post by tjtl on Jan 13, 2020 15:13:20 GMT
A real mix- with a lot of "reductions" underway
Ratesetter 51% AssetzCap 24% Wellesley. 12% Relendex. 9% FundingC. 4% Zopa. 1%
Am reducing Ratesetter (quite aggressively), Wellesley (as monies falls due), Funding Circle (selling order on all). Happy with AC- though moving to "on-demand", been in Relendex so long have made decent money so can take a bit of pain (and is property backed), wound down Zopa.
Moved money to such high-risk investments as Coventry Building Society, Marcus - where returns = risk taken!
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Post by westcountryfunder on Jan 13, 2020 15:49:31 GMT
Assetz 42.6% FC 21.8% RS 18.9% BM 6.3% Lendy 3.9% Coll 2.6% MT 2.1% FS 1.6% Wellesley 0.1% Zopa 0.1%
Shame about BM - one of the better ones. Too much in FC (hassle to transfer ISAs) but slowly reducing as maturities/interest arise. Wellesley and Zopa, both legacy. Steadily moving money out when I can, except for AC and RS. I think I've found all the regular savings accounts that I can! !
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Post by Brainer on Jan 13, 2020 17:12:48 GMT
I'll spare you the percentages but in declining order; FS, Abl, Col, MT, UB, W, L, AC, LW plus small balances in RS, Z, FC, K. Not a pretty picture. I spent a lot of time picking the best and safest loans on the self select platforms but have been somewhat undone by a variety of circumstances. Issues with the borrowers, which I anticipated to some extent, the platforms, where I underestimated their competence and the FCA - where I never for a moment imagined that they would allow third parties the ability to amend their ( the FCA's) own website to say platforms were authorised when they were not. It's really only Abl and UB that I have much enthusiasm for nowadays and this is tempered with a degree of caution. The fact that equities have been racing ahead these past five years just makes my situation worse. Similar story and regrets here.
I only started investing about 4.5 years ago. Naively focused more on P2P than S&S and in that time the respective XIRRs are ~1% (including projected losses) and ~12%, and I’m half expecting more bad news will turn the P2P negative before long. Certainly the worst financial decision I’ve ever made, and factoring in literally thousands of hours wasted on DD, tracking loans, reading forums etc., also one of the worst life decisions.
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Post by df on Jan 13, 2020 18:01:05 GMT
I did my last audit a month ago so it might be slightly different today.
Assetz Capital- 18.19% Growth Street - 17.25% Unbolted - 12.82% Lending Crowd - 9.89% Ratesetter - 7.97% Collateral - 6.74% Lending Works - 6.08% Welendus - 5.16% Ablrate - 4.48% Fundingsecure - 3.98% Saving Stream - 2.05% Moneything - 1.65% Zopa - 1.32% Rebuilding Society - 1.11% Bond Mason - 0.62% Huddle Capital - 0.55% Funding Circle - 0.08%
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Post by macq on Jan 14, 2020 18:25:44 GMT
I only started investing about 4.5 years ago. Naively focused more on P2P than S&S and in that time the respective XIRRs are ~1% (including projected losses) and ~12%, and I’m half expecting more bad news will turn the P2P negative before long. Certainly the worst financial decision I’ve ever made, and factoring in literally thousands of hours wasted on DD, tracking loans, reading forums etc., also one of the worst life decisions.
I have been investing a lot longer than 4.5 years. However, about 3–4 years ago I thought I'd dip my toe in the P2P water using, as always, strictly investible money (i.e. money I could afford to loose 100% of). It was purely an experiment. It was money I could afford to loose. But nonetheless I was cautious, I did select both my platforms and loans carefully. But boy did that vague smell of fish quickly evolve into a full blown olfactory onslaught of putrid, rotten flesh. I did my best to hold my nose and persist. Until one day an email arrived from a certain platform asking me to pay them a not insubstantial amount of money because (although their choice of words were obviously more carefully chosen) their accounting system was so dodgy balances were not being correctly kept up to date (or something like that, it was a long time ago now). That was effectively the final straw that broke the camels back for me. From that moment onwards, I focused on pulling money out and did not put a penny back in. Meanwhile I continued to build my equities (S&S) portfolios with an increased degree of determination and focus. They have done well and continue to do so, and so I have no doubt I did the right thing by maintaining my faith in my old friend the stockmarket. Its more interesting, its more rewarding, and there is far less opportunities for dodgy companies to hide, especially if you follow basic rules and do at least some basic research before hitting the buy button. is it me but apart from One sentence that was quite mellow for you - must be the new year
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Post by ashtondav on Jan 14, 2020 19:24:22 GMT
Been with big Z since the start in 2005 and despite getting an early adopter bonus am withdrawing as they do not meet their stated rates. Now down to c10%. Sailed through the Great Recesion on 7% or 8% rates though.
RS have always delivered the stated rates but now winding down due to reductions. Still have money on at 4.2% in access and 6% in max. Withdrawn when not matched. 30% but reducing
AC, never invested in those stupid accounts that didn't diversify. Now in 30day AA and QAA 45%
FS, Freakin disaster but as soon as it became evident they were lending to property porn Spivs, instead of Rolexes i tried to get out, 2%
FC when i invested they stated 7%. Now averaging 4% but improving this year now they have ditched the silly IPO throw away money 5%. Sticking with them as large and will recover - despite dear old criston and his 1%ers followers who post their obsessive sales figures every 10 minutes - not an insult as i love obsessives.
LW 7% but not happy with rate reduction. Holding fire.
Daughter got a mortgage at 2% yesterday - should we expect much more? Its a screwed up world...
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Post by mrk on Jan 14, 2020 19:37:08 GMT
Been with big Z since the start in 2005 and despite getting an early adopter bonus am withdrawing as they do not meet their stated rates. Now down to c10%. Sailed through the Great Recesion on 7% or 8% rates though. I started with Zopa in 2009 I believe, and yes it survived the financial crisis pretty well. I have the impression that things have started to go pear shaped in the p2p world after the introduction of IFISAs.
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