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Post by carol167 on Jan 27, 2020 8:46:53 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
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Post by easylender on Jan 27, 2020 10:44:11 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
I'm letting mine run down. Only £1200 left now. Returned about 2/3 of the balance in the last year.
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Post by fuzzyiceberg on Jan 27, 2020 11:34:43 GMT
I don't see any reason to take particular action regarding safeguard loans. Zopa ditched safeguard for two reasons: 1) It reduces the top rate achievable by investors. Safeguard and similar funds essentially cream off the top slice of interest paid by all borrowers, and returns it to those investors incurring defaults. The result is a less volatile return achieved by investors. With no safeguard more investors will beat the average return. Oh, and more investors will get less, maybe much less, than the average return. 2) The FCA dislikes it because it thinks it fools unsophisticated investors into believing they can't make losses (loans are 'safegurded'). In a major (credit) downturn safeguard/provision funds will be broke and investors will, indeed, pick up losses safeguarded loans or no.
An investors attitude to Zopa should simply be one of risk/reward. Do you believe the returns on offer (allowing for your view on the future of credit and interest rates) are commensurate with the risk?
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Post by coogaruk on Jan 27, 2020 12:24:22 GMT
I've been running mine down too, ever since Safeguard was ditched. Only a couple of hundred left in now.
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Post by aju on Jan 27, 2020 12:42:33 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
I'm letting mine run down. Only £1200 left now. Returned about 2/3 of the balance in the last year. When I wanted to get money out to reposition into RS what I did, knowing cashing in works on a Last in first out (LIFO) basis, I looked at where I could release the maximum amount for minimal SG cover loss. I did have to let some more recent SG pickups to go but largely speaking got quite a bit of money out whilst losing very little SG covered loans. Now we have a couple of loans that are still in jeopardy in Invest but mostly we are left with SG covered loans, ISA has quite a bit too as we took part in the transfer from Invest to ISA in the early part of 2018, I think!. The loan SG covered loans closing rate does seem to be up and down but that's probably just normal. I sometimes check the SG closures to see if they are valid closures or valid covers but since the issues of 18-24 months ago where Zopa was mistakenly selling out good SG loans has not happened recently to my knowledge. (My loan payments checking system is getting slower as it has 100's of thousands of statement records to trawl through and Excel 2007 is baulking at the seams on my desktop even when its set to use 8 threads - it would take even longer to run on our 4 thread laptop. )
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Post by df on Jan 27, 2020 12:55:19 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
I'm running down (withdrawing returns weekly). Less than 3 years left to go. I have a mixture of Access and Classic. I didn't see much point selling out as I consider it a fairly safe investment.
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Post by happy on Jan 28, 2020 12:09:11 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
I'm running down (withdrawing returns weekly). Less than 3 years left to go. I have a mixture of Access and Classic. I didn't see much point selling out as I consider it a fairly safe investment. I stopped re-investing when Zopa closed the safeguarded accounts as I either want pooled defaults/shared risk or to have the option to pick my loans. This was the same decision I made with FC when they went black-box and then when they stopped us being able to sell individual loans I sold out everything there. I felt the Safeguarded loans to be fairly safe so I let my mid 5 figure Zopa sum slowly pay back, only a few £k of profit left to go and should be all out well before the EU transition period expires. Never liked the new Zopa accounts and glad I never invested in them.
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Post by sl75 on Jan 28, 2020 23:17:11 GMT
All I've got left are Zopa PreSafeguard loans, and they're still gradually running down (despite having showed a nominal value of £0.00 for some considerable time)
Just over £3 to withdraw this month - I'll try not to spend it all at once!
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Post by pom on Jan 29, 2020 13:27:50 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
I was running mine down for 3yrs but by Sept was fed up of having to keep logging in to withdraw smaller & smaller amounts (I was down to 1700 by then from about 15k) so I hit sell on the rest to find I ended up with nearly £50 in stuck loans that had already triggered safeguard, most of which have now been fully paid off leaving just two totalling less than £10. Yesterday's quarterly( I don't recall seeing one before) safeguard statement, trumpeting how much SG has compensated me for but warning me it's not guaranteed makes me wonder if things are starting to look a bit dicey for the remaining safeguarded loans. Or it could be that the FCA has been having words. Either way I'm glad I didn't keep waiting for the final repayments, hopefully my remaining loans will pay out fully before any SG issues, but if not, I can live with the loss!
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Post by carol167 on Jan 29, 2020 13:54:38 GMT
Have you sold out ? Are you intending to sell out ? or are you going to let it continue to run down till the end ?
I still have 3 years to go before I would be all out (still got just over 8k in).
I'm interested in what others have done or plan to do.
I was running mine down for 3yrs but by Sept was fed up of having to keep logging in to withdraw smaller & smaller amounts (I was down to 1700 by then from about 15k) so I hit sell on the rest to find I ended up with nearly £50 in stuck loans that had already triggered safeguard, most of which have now been fully paid off leaving just two totalling less than £10. Yesterday's quarterly( I don't recall seeing one before) safeguard statement, trumpeting how much SG has compensated me for but warning me it's not guaranteed makes me wonder if things are starting to look a bit dicey for the remaining safeguarded loans. Or it could be that the FCA has been having words. Either way I'm glad I didn't keep waiting for the final repayments, hopefully my remaining loans will pay out fully before any SG issues, but if not, I can live with the loss! Thanks for the reply. Yes I have spotted the SG warnings that its not guarenteed etc etc... and that was making me wonder too. Hence my dilemma. Bird in the hand, two in the bush and all that.
Still got 8k to go though and will not finally finish until November 2022. I shall have to ponder it some more...
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Post by df on Jan 29, 2020 14:26:58 GMT
I'm running down (withdrawing returns weekly). Less than 3 years left to go. I have a mixture of Access and Classic. I didn't see much point selling out as I consider it a fairly safe investment. I stopped re-investing when Zopa closed the safeguarded accounts as I either want pooled defaults/shared risk or to have the option to pick my loans. This was the same decision I made with FC when they went black-box and then when they stopped us being able to sell individual loans I sold out everything there. I felt the Safeguarded loans to be fairly safe so I let my mid 5 figure Zopa sum slowly pay back, only a few £k of profit left to go and should be all out well before the EU transition period expires. Never liked the new Zopa accounts and glad I never invested in them. I've also stopped reinvesting on the day of safeguard being abolished. The rates of new products are too low for the risk of consumer lending. I kept reinvesting when FC introduced "compulsory" black box. I did it for more than 1 year, which was a mistake. If I sold out then, I would've ended up with some reasonable profit. However, my FC adventure outcome resulted in no loss of capital (even with a small profit), if I kept on reinvesting for much longer I'd certainly loose some money.
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Post by zlb on Jan 29, 2020 23:16:02 GMT
I didn't think the sg warning applied anymore, any reinvestment if I choose, goes to Core by default, on my account. I got an email telling me what was repaid from sg, recently. First time I've ever seen such a report - if it is a first, then maybe to do with new regs?
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Post by fuzzyiceberg on Feb 4, 2020 8:53:36 GMT
Its regs/the FCA raising an eyebrow. The FCA is very keen on P2P outfits with safeguard and similar provision funds pointing out to investors that the existence of such funds is not a guarantee that their money is safe in all circumstances. It is not the same as having FSCS coverage. The FCA believes these funds mislead investors into believing the investment risk is lower than it is.
I would also guess that the smaller that the overall number of safegaurded loans becomes the greater the chance of the fund not being able to pay out.
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Post by propman on Feb 4, 2020 10:00:44 GMT
Its regs/the FCA raising an eyebrow. The FCA is very keen on P2P outfits with safeguard and similar provision funds pointing out to investors that the existence of such funds is not a guarantee that their money is safe in all circumstances. It is not the same as having FSCS coverage. The FCA believes these funds mislead investors into believing the investment risk is lower than it is.
I would also guess that the smaller that the overall number of safegaurded loans becomes the greater the chance of the fund not being able to pay out.
You could argue that if this amount is small enough, it would be worth Z paying the shortfall rather than receive adverse publicity...
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Post by portlandbill on Feb 4, 2020 11:53:55 GMT
I stopped reinvesting when safeguard stopped, and sold my few Plus loans apart from 2 which were having problems but now seem to be ok again. I'm just withdrawing what's being paid back, on a monthly basis. About £2k remaining out of an initial £12k investment.
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