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Post by rollercoaster on Apr 2, 2020 8:11:16 GMT
Stress is when your breathing becomes difficult. It is a drowning like sensation. The body kicks in with adrenaline, making your heart beat faster and brain race. You want to gap and take short, panicked breaths. However that is the opposite of what you should do. You need to try to stay calm and take slow, deep breaths.
Even people that don't actually die can have a very stressful time. Asthmatics have experience of that sensation. People with COPD too.
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Post by james100 on Apr 2, 2020 8:29:13 GMT
I remember reading that something like a third of UK households could not cope if they suffered job loss for more than a month. Or cope with an unexpected bill greater than 100 GBP. I'm pretty sure that even with the budgetary safety nets introduced that their stress (regarding keeping roof over their heads, feeding kids, for example) is valid. Add fear about maybe getting very ill / dying, throw in some food supply issues, reduce/remove social support systems and lock them up for 90+% of the time and yes, I would expect them to experience real, "proper" stress. It doesn't need to be equal or greater than the stress experienced by anyone else (past or present) to tip some people over the edge.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 9:17:34 GMT
I understand that Cocaine consumption is way down while MaryJane use is way up with people "chilling" through the crisis.
Imagine the queues to buy this stuff "keep 2 metres apart" just hide behind the next car....
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Post by pom on Apr 2, 2020 9:50:51 GMT
I understand that Cocaine consumption is way down while MaryJane use is way up with people "chilling" through the crisis.
Imagine the queues to buy this stuff "keep 2 metres apart" just hide behind the next car....
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Post by dan1 on Apr 2, 2020 10:09:56 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Apr 2, 2020 10:14:41 GMT
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2020 10:36:51 GMT
I didn't see the interview, but not sure how testing without contact tracing (which I believe the Asian states were doing big-time) would be a massive help, other than to allow NHS workers who are self-isolating in case they have Covid19 to go back to work. I seem to remember Boris mentioning we'd be ramping up to 250,000 (not 25,000) a while back ( link).
Nadine Dorries (clearly not any sort of Covid19 expert): "Journalists and media need to be more balanced. Testing, is not a cure, it won’t cut the number of deaths, it won’t make people feel better or stop them catching #coronavirus it will only tell you if you have or have had it There is no cure" twitter
As to shocking interviews, yesterday's press conference Alok Sharma and a.n.other failed to answer what our exit strategy was. I could understand them not answering when it would be invoked, but would appear - having locked down millions for an unknown timescale, wrecking the economy - they can't say how (never mind when) we'll get out of this. Not good.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 2, 2020 10:42:20 GMT
I didn't see the interview, but not sure how testing without contact tracing (which I believe the Asian states were doing big-time) would be a massive help, other than to allow NHS workers who are self-isolating in case they have Covid19 to go back to work. I seem to remember Boris mentioning we'd be ramping up to 250,000 (not 25,000) a while back ( link).
Nadine Dorries (clearly not any sort of Covid19 expert): "Journalists and media need to be more balanced. Testing, is not a cure, it won’t cut the number of deaths, it won’t make people feel better or stop them catching #coronavirus it will only tell you if you have or have had it There is no cure" twitter
As to shocking interviews, yesterday's press conference Alok Sharma and a.n.other failed to answer what our exit strategy was. I could understand them not answering when it would be invoked, but would appear - having locked down millions for an unknown timescale, wrecking the economy - they can't say how (never mind when) we'll get out of this. Not good.
Crystal ball needs polishing?
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Post by dan1 on Apr 2, 2020 11:08:11 GMT
I didn't see the interview, but not sure how testing without contact tracing (which I believe the Asian states were doing big-time) would be a massive help, other than to allow NHS workers who are self-isolating in case they have Covid19 to go back to work. I seem to remember Boris mentioning we'd be ramping up to 250,000 (not 25,000) a while back ( link).
Nadine Dorries (clearly not any sort of Covid19 expert): "Journalists and media need to be more balanced. Testing, is not a cure, it won’t cut the number of deaths, it won’t make people feel better or stop them catching #coronavirus it will only tell you if you have or have had it There is no cure" twitter
As to shocking interviews, yesterday's press conference Alok Sharma and a.n.other failed to answer what our exit strategy was. I could understand them not answering when it would be invoked, but would appear - having locked down millions for an unknown timescale, wrecking the economy - they can't say how (never mind when) we'll get out of this. Not good.
Remember the WHO guidelines... test, test, test, do contact tracing, quarantine, etc <---- what does the UK government know that WHO don't? A quarter of doctors are self-isolating and that proportion is increasing exponentially. NHS staff in Newcastle have been told to ignore government advice - they should attend work even if a member of their household has suspected Coronavirus. The statement is equivalent to saying that getting doctors and nurses back to work is "a side issue". The hard-right Tory press are even turning on Johnson in a time of national crisis - this I'd of never predicted. As for Nadine Norries - sycophant.
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2020 11:12:20 GMT
I didn't see the interview, but not sure how testing without contact tracing (which I believe the Asian states were doing big-time) would be a massive help, other than to allow NHS workers who are self-isolating in case they have Covid19 to go back to work. I seem to remember Boris mentioning we'd be ramping up to 250,000 (not 25,000) a while back ( link).
Nadine Dorries (clearly not any sort of Covid19 expert): "Journalists and media need to be more balanced. Testing, is not a cure, it won’t cut the number of deaths, it won’t make people feel better or stop them catching #coronavirus it will only tell you if you have or have had it There is no cure" twitter
As to shocking interviews, yesterday's press conference Alok Sharma and a.n.other failed to answer what our exit strategy was. I could understand them not answering when it would be invoked, but would appear - having locked down millions for an unknown timescale, wrecking the economy - they can't say how (never mind when) we'll get out of this. Not good.
Crystal ball needs polishing? No, but thanks for asking . Interested to know which bit(s) of what I said are untrue.
BBC reports "Nearly a fifth of all small and medium-sized businesses in the UK are unlikely to get the cash they need to survive the next four weeks, in spite of unprecedented government support. That's according to research from a network of accountants which suggests between 800,000 and a million firms nationwide may soon have to close. "
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2020 11:15:29 GMT
I didn't see the interview, but not sure how testing without contact tracing (which I believe the Asian states were doing big-time) would be a massive help, other than to allow NHS workers who are self-isolating in case they have Covid19 to go back to work. I seem to remember Boris mentioning we'd be ramping up to 250,000 (not 25,000) a while back ( link).
Nadine Dorries (clearly not any sort of Covid19 expert): "Journalists and media need to be more balanced. Testing, is not a cure, it won’t cut the number of deaths, it won’t make people feel better or stop them catching #coronavirus it will only tell you if you have or have had it There is no cure" twitter
As to shocking interviews, yesterday's press conference Alok Sharma and a.n.other failed to answer what our exit strategy was. I could understand them not answering when it would be invoked, but would appear - having locked down millions for an unknown timescale, wrecking the economy - they can't say how (never mind when) we'll get out of this. Not good.
Remember the WHO guidelines... test, test, test, do contact tracing, quarantine, etc <---- what does the UK government know that WHO don't? A quarter of doctors are self-isolating and that proportion is increasing exponentially. NHS staff in Newcastle have been told to ignore government advice - they should attend work even if a member of their household has suspected Coronavirus. The statement is equivalent to saying that getting doctors and nurses back to work is "a side issue". The hard-right Tory press are even turning on Johnson in a time of national crisis - this I'd of never predicted. As for Nadine Norries - sycophant. Exactly. The government talks of 'ramping up' testing, but I've heard no mention of contact tracing. Seem to remember reading a week/two ago that one of the Asian states had 6,000 people carrying out contact tracing and other state(s) using mobile phone technology to determine it. And the UK...
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Post by r00lish67 on Apr 2, 2020 11:17:08 GMT
The hard-right Tory press are even turning on Johnson in a time of national crisis - this I'd of never predicted. Yes, I just had that exact thought myself as I popped over to the DT to see what the other side is thinking. Why? After years of slavish North Korea-esque Boris love, why now? Is it their plummeting sales ? A passion for Brexit that Boris was a useful vehicle for, now used up? I don't know.
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Post by r00lish67 on Apr 2, 2020 11:24:08 GMT
Remember the WHO guidelines... test, test, test, do contact tracing, quarantine, etc <---- what does the UK government know that WHO don't? A quarter of doctors are self-isolating and that proportion is increasing exponentially. NHS staff in Newcastle have been told to ignore government advice - they should attend work even if a member of their household has suspected Coronavirus. The statement is equivalent to saying that getting doctors and nurses back to work is "a side issue". The hard-right Tory press are even turning on Johnson in a time of national crisis - this I'd of never predicted. As for Nadine Norries - sycophant. Exactly. The government talks of 'ramping up' testing, but I've heard no mention of contact tracing. Seem to remember reading a week/two ago that one of the Asian states had 6,000 people carrying out contact tracing and other state(s) using mobile phone technology to determine it. And the UK... Is it because the uncomfortable answer which cannot be said is that all they're hoping to achieve is to slightly flatten the curve for now to allow the NHS to barely cope, and then ease restrictions to allow everyone else to get it (whilst ideally not pushing the curve too high again)? And anyone who's in the higher risk groups can just choose between staying at home until a vaccine is out, or taking their chances? Or is that too cynical? edit: I should add though, I'm not hearing huge evidence here in Spain of doing anything much beyond desperately trying to cope with the health service. Haven't heard much about Italy being on the front foot either? I might be wrong, pretty fast moving isn't it!)
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Post by cb25 on Apr 2, 2020 11:30:58 GMT
Exactly. The government talks of 'ramping up' testing, but I've heard no mention of contact tracing. Seem to remember reading a week/two ago that one of the Asian states had 6,000 people carrying out contact tracing and other state(s) using mobile phone technology to determine it. And the UK... Is it because the uncomfortable answer which cannot be said is that all they're hoping to achieve is to slightly flatten the curve for now to allow the NHS to barely cope, and then ease restrictions to allow everyone else to get it (whilst ideally not pushing the curve too high again)? And anyone who's in the higher risk groups can just choose between staying at home until a vaccine is out, or taking their chances? Or is that too cynical? Not too cynical at all. I seem to remember early graphs in the media (both right and left) showing the restrictions would lower the number of cases, allowing the NHS to manage (though clearly still with a large number of deaths) and then, when restrictions were eased/lifted, there would be a second wave. Now all mention of that second wave seems to have disappeared. Government keep banging on about how they're lead by the science (and the modelling). Fine. What does the model say will happen if we ease/lift the restrictions.
As to the DT, could be falling sales, or could be because even those on the political right (like me) can see the government is failing to answer really basic questions.
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Post by dan1 on Apr 2, 2020 11:33:36 GMT
Exactly. The government talks of 'ramping up' testing, but I've heard no mention of contact tracing. Seem to remember reading a week/two ago that one of the Asian states had 6,000 people carrying out contact tracing and other state(s) using mobile phone technology to determine it. And the UK... Is it because the uncomfortable answer which cannot be said is that all they're hoping to achieve is to slightly flatten the curve for now to allow the NHS to barely cope, and then ease restrictions to allow everyone else to get it (whilst ideally not pushing the curve too high again)? And anyone who's in the higher risk groups can just choose between staying at home until a vaccine is out, or taking their chances? Or is that too cynical? That's been my working assumption ever since it has been clear that testing was not going to be ramped up. Herd immunity. What does that mean? Controlling the rate of infection to allow a consistent rate of infection, and therefore consistent numbers hospitalised, to allow the NHS to just cope with revised procedures (slashing the intensive care doctor/nurse to patient ratios, not hospitalising those deemed to have little chance of surviving - think care homes and 80+, administering sedatives instead of oxygen/CPAP/ventilation). My guess is that widespread antibody testing will take place at a very slow rate to avoid those now deemed immune from living "normal" lives and thereby encouraging the rest of us to do so too - again, risking too many infections and destroying the NHS in the process. We're in this for the long haul and engaging in a massive public health experiment. One of the key decisions will come in September, will schools go back?
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