|
Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Sept 21, 2020 17:31:10 GMT
We've just gone to Level four
|
|
michaelc
Member of DD Central
Posts: 5,422
Likes: 2,893
Member is Online
|
Post by michaelc on Sept 21, 2020 17:40:50 GMT
So... given the social distancing, mask wearing, and hand washing etc that the sensible among us are conducting, is the recent resurgence generally confined to those who aren't being sensible? If not.... do those measures actually help materially? Do we have any data to support an answer one way or the other? One suspects that, after all the other factors are considered (original state of play before global intervention, climate, population density, necessary movement of people & goods, inevitable non-optimal use of e.g masks) then everything the government has asked us to do (local rather than global) impacts within a rounding error of accuracy at best. With the probable exception of hand washing, which sadly seems to have been replaced with face coverings (and wearing the same dirty face covering for weeks on end).
Looking at Europe, you can see quite a wide variety of lockdown severity. It's certainly not clear to me that, at the end of the day, more or less severe restrictions really made much difference compared with the initial conditions and other constants (known and unknown) that vary between places but can't be altered by political intervention. For most examples there is a counter-example. I imagine if produced at scale masks should be a few pence to manufacturer. One thing they might consider doing is produce masks with dates and AM/PM/etc printed on them. Not got the right mask on? You ain't coming in.....
|
|
agent69
Member of DD Central
Posts: 5,943
Likes: 4,382
|
Post by agent69 on Sept 21, 2020 20:56:05 GMT
One suspects that, after all the other factors are considered (original state of play before global intervention, climate, population density, necessary movement of people & goods, inevitable non-optimal use of e.g masks) then everything the government has asked us to do (local rather than global) impacts within a rounding error of accuracy at best. With the probable exception of hand washing, which sadly seems to have been replaced with face coverings (and wearing the same dirty face covering for weeks on end).
Looking at Europe, you can see quite a wide variety of lockdown severity. It's certainly not clear to me that, at the end of the day, more or less severe restrictions really made much difference compared with the initial conditions and other constants (known and unknown) that vary between places but can't be altered by political intervention. For most examples there is a counter-example. I imagine if produced at scale masks should be a few pence to manufacturer. One thing they might consider doing is produce masks with dates and AM/PM/etc printed on them. Not got the right mask on? You ain't coming in..... What makes a mask re-usable (or not) other than the label on the wraper?
If you are only needing to wear a mask a few times a week (say for shoping), why can't you hang it up in the greenhouse after use (where the sunlight will kill the virus) and wear the same mask again a few days later?
|
|
|
Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Sept 22, 2020 7:31:54 GMT
Old masks might be a good thing with variolation, which was used in the early days with smallpox. In some cases it's possible that those who get the worst symptoms are those who had a larger initial dose. Those who get a small dose might be asymptomatic,
|
|
james100
Member of DD Central
Posts: 1,047
Likes: 1,250
|
Post by james100 on Sept 22, 2020 8:43:09 GMT
Some companies with decent lab facilities are (or about to start) doing in-house swab testing already. Daily for all employees, <2 hour turnaround on results. Good if you want customers to visit you on site as well: temperature gun on arrival then swab test them in a quarantine area, feed them a long lunch then they can come on in no worries (or get sent home obvs if they've got it).
The notion of twice-daily disposable masks, which rely on melt-blown polypropylene which is most definitely not biodegradable, fills me with absolute horror.
|
|
Mike
Member of DD Central
Posts: 651
Likes: 446
|
Post by Mike on Sept 22, 2020 13:39:27 GMT
|
|
|
Post by dan1 on Sept 24, 2020 16:25:43 GMT
If you need cheering up on this rainy day then don't read further I stopped scanning through the pre-print at Fig 1 which shows only 40-70% of folk know what the symptoms are.
|
|
Mike
Member of DD Central
Posts: 651
Likes: 446
|
Post by Mike on Sept 24, 2020 16:52:20 GMT
If you need cheering up on this rainy day then don't read further I stopped scanning through the pre-print at Fig 1 which shows only 40-70% of folk know what the symptoms are. The government very recently introduced a £10,000 fine for failing to self isolate. The solution for many is don't get told to isolate - don't answer to track & trace, don't provide genuine contact details to venues, and don't install the app. Not sure what their thinking on that one is, hard to imagine anyone ever thought such a big fine would increase enthusiasm for taking part in track & trace
|
|
mrk
Posts: 807
Likes: 753
|
Post by mrk on Sept 24, 2020 18:24:17 GMT
|
|
benaj
Member of DD Central
Posts: 5,386
Likes: 1,692
|
Post by benaj on Sept 25, 2020 8:54:55 GMT
|
|
slippery
Member of DD Central
Posts: 83
Likes: 61
|
Post by slippery on Sept 26, 2020 0:39:44 GMT
Was speaking earlier to a friend whose daughter works in London. Daughter had been in contact with a colleague who had tested C19 positive. She applied for a test - was offered Edinburgh. Wonder if that's a record for distance to testing centre offered?
(She did persevere & subsequently get a "drop in" test in London, which was fortunately negative and she has no symptoms but is working from home & isolating).
|
|
registerme
Member of DD Central
Posts: 6,524
Likes: 6,316
|
Post by registerme on Sept 26, 2020 10:51:17 GMT
|
|
IFISAcava
Member of DD Central
Posts: 3,683
Likes: 3,008
|
Post by IFISAcava on Sept 26, 2020 12:33:12 GMT
How long did they have to design this? And how much money did they spend give to Dominic Cummings' mates?
|
|
|
Post by dan1 on Sept 26, 2020 13:22:11 GMT
How long did they have to design this? And how much money did they spend give to Dominic Cummings' mates?
|
|
benaj
Member of DD Central
Posts: 5,386
Likes: 1,692
|
Post by benaj on Sept 26, 2020 14:36:30 GMT
I’ve installed the app for a quick spin. It's very easy to get start and have contact tracing started. I had a go to ”check symptoms”, chose ”i don't have any of these symptoms”, and the app displayed ”you are unlikely to have coronavirus”
|
|