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Post by michaelc on Sept 26, 2020 18:23:07 GMT
I see there are more significant protests against lockdown and rules.
Poses a dilemma for me as yes the obvious conclusion is that such a gathering without social distancing will increase the spread. On the other hand should it ever be lawful to shutdown peaceful protest? I understand there were some scuffles with water being thrown but I think that took place after the police decided to shut it down due to the protestors not social distancing (the very thing they are protesting against).
In general I have to say my ever-changing view is moving away from seeing lockdown as a primary solution. I think it may well do more harm than good and so I'm starting to side with those scientists who believe the solution is essentially shield those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get herd immunity. Its a bit brutal but my gosh so is lockdown.
I do think all reasonable steps should remain in place though including masks, 2M social distancing and a much better app and track&trace because these measures are much less troublesome to follow. I don't go to pubs that often myself these days but 10pm enforced closure will simply foster great hatred among those who do (typically the young non-Tory voters). So IMO, keep almost everything running, give councils powers to shut down trouble spots and enforce the health measures.
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Post by mrk on Sept 27, 2020 18:15:20 GMT
On the other hand should it ever be lawful to shutdown peaceful protest? I understand there were some scuffles with water being thrown but I think that took place after the police decided to shut it down due to the protestors not social distancing (the very thing they are protesting against). Would you also argue that police should not arrest peaceful Extinction Rebellion protesters that are illegally blocking roads, on the basis that pollution-emitting cars are the very thing they are protesting against?
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Post by travolta on Sept 27, 2020 18:20:29 GMT
Interesting(?)report on my Covid Testing research via the Office ofNational Stats(some of you may remember my earlier post) I've been kicking my heels waiting for my first visit and the chance to earn £450, A tetchy 12 year old phoned to apologise .A computer fault
had to be rectified so they were phoning everyone personally to stand by and wait. Sh+t in Sh+t out.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 27, 2020 20:11:29 GMT
I see there are more significant protests against lockdown and rules. Poses a dilemma for me as yes the obvious conclusion is that such a gathering without social distancing will increase the spread. On the other hand should it ever be lawful to shutdown peaceful protest? I understand there were some scuffles with water being thrown but I think that took place after the police decided to shut it down due to the protestors not social distancing (the very thing they are protesting against). In general I have to say my ever-changing view is moving away from seeing lockdown as a primary solution. I think it may well do more harm than good and so I'm starting to side with those scientists who believe the solution is essentially shield those who are vulnerable and let everyone else get herd immunity. Its a bit brutal but my gosh so is lockdown. I do think all reasonable steps should remain in place though including masks, 2M social distancing and a much better app and track&trace because these measures are much less troublesome to follow. I don't go to pubs that often myself these days but 10pm enforced closure will simply foster great hatred among those who do (typically the young non-Tory voters). So IMO, keep almost everything running, give councils powers to shut down trouble spots and enforce the health measures. If I follow this protest back 'We do not consent' are 'Stop the new normal' who are Piers Corbyn who thinks the Covid virus is a hoax. Not sure all of those on the protest know who is behind it or what they are saying. People are entitled to their opinion but at this point anyone who thinks the Covid virus is some sort of global conspiracy to subjugate the people of the world is two bricks short of a barrow load. And I think we are selling the youth of today short if we think they 'foster great hatred' because the pubs shut a bit earlier to protect their parents and grand parents.
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Post by baboonery on Sept 28, 2020 9:07:35 GMT
Interesting(?)report on my Covid Testing research via the Office ofNational Stats(some of you may remember my earlier post) I've been kicking my heels waiting for my first visit and the chance to earn £450, A tetchy 12 year old phoned to apologise .A computer fault had to be rectified so they were phoning everyone personally to stand by and wait. Sh+t in Sh+t out. Happy to update that my first 5 visits were completed smoothly (last one 14th September and all vouchers received). Interesting that they’re excuse was “a computer fault”. In the light of the reported issues with testing capacity, I can’t help wondering if this has also affected the rate at which they can take on new volunteers.
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Post by travolta on Sept 28, 2020 9:24:51 GMT
May be they just ran out of swabs. I didnt volunteer but was 'randomly selected.' I guess you were too,in an earlier batch. Can't imagine how they can afford to pay. I'd be happy to do it for free if it help in anyway,but I get the impression that the machine has been taken over by monkeys with heaps of tech optimism but little experience of reality. They should have started with the Man from the Pru approach ,complete with cycle clips. I see they have had to revert to it pretty quickly.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 28, 2020 12:33:33 GMT
I see parliament needed a "backlash" to close its pubs and restaurants at 10pm.
My understanding is though, that if you buy your round <edit: IN PARLIAMENT> just before 10, you can stay to drink it.
I think I said before this doesn't affect me that much these days but I've always thought it a really stupid (albeit not catastrophic) rule to have. No evidence its going to help much, may even hinder slightly and will certainly P off large sectors of the country. As for the MPs - you couldn't make it up. Just incredible how they of their "officers" (parliament staff) could even think of not following the rules.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 28, 2020 12:44:09 GMT
I see parliament needed a "backlash" to close its pubs and restaurants at 10pm. My understanding is though, that if you buy your round just before 10, you can stay to drink it. I think I said before this doesn't affect me that much these days but I've always thought it a really stupid (albeit not catastrophic) rule to have. No evidence its going to help much, may even hinder slightly and will certainly P off large sectors of the country. As for the MPs - you couldn't make it up. Just incredible how they of their "officers" (parliament staff) could even think of not following the rules. I dont believe that is correct. The venue has to be closed at 10pm, there is no drinking up time.
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Post by dan1 on Sept 28, 2020 12:46:58 GMT
I see parliament needed a "backlash" to close its pubs and restaurants at 10pm. My understanding is though, that if you buy your round just before 10, you can stay to drink it. I think I said before this doesn't affect me that much these days but I've always thought it a really stupid (albeit not catastrophic) rule to have. No evidence its going to help much, may even hinder slightly and will certainly P off large sectors of the country. As for the MPs - you couldn't make it up. Just incredible how they of their "officers" (parliament staff) could even think of not following the rules. I dont believe that is correct. The venue has to be closed at 10pm, there is no drinking up time. It is in Wales. You couldn't make this up
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Post by michaelc on Sept 28, 2020 13:04:28 GMT
I see parliament needed a "backlash" to close its pubs and restaurants at 10pm. My understanding is though, that if you buy your round just before 10, you can stay to drink it. I think I said before this doesn't affect me that much these days but I've always thought it a really stupid (albeit not catastrophic) rule to have. No evidence its going to help much, may even hinder slightly and will certainly P off large sectors of the country. As for the MPs - you couldn't make it up. Just incredible how they of their "officers" (parliament staff) could even think of not following the rules. I dont believe that is correct. The venue has to be closed at 10pm, there is no drinking up time. That's definitely not correct because if any part of parliament is sitting, the bars/restaurants will at least serve food so they don't close. UNlike the rest of us who make do with take-away pizza if we're lucky. Ahh unless you thought I meant all pubs in the UK? Yes for the common rabble, we get turfed out on the dot I believe.
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Post by benaj on Sept 29, 2020 6:16:22 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Sept 29, 2020 8:40:42 GMT
I was made aware of an outbreak in private school with boarding which wasn't reported in the media. You've got to remember that private schools are big business these days and reputation is everything. That's why they're testing on entry etc to protect their reputation. It's not unique to the private schooling industry but endemic across business, society, government etc. Cronic secrecy means that individuals can't adjust their behaviour when risks may be elevated all under the auspices of "privacy". I read of practices in Sweden* where parents were informed if there was an outbreak of headlice in class yet not when sars-cov-2 was running rife. *this is not a dig at Sweden, I just happen to read this when searching. I'm sure it applies elsewhere..... reminds me of this twitter exchange from an Austrian, which I found somewhat horrific (and that doesn't do it justice)....
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Post by registerme on Sept 29, 2020 9:20:33 GMT
As an ex-public school boy I can tell you that one of the major attractions of going to university was that I would be able to drink a lot more, experience far less supervision, and, very marginally, increase my chances of getting laid. Public schools, especially boarding schools, are far more self-contained than universities, whether campus based or spread out across a city. None of which changes the fact that the collective handling of this by the government and universities themselves has been appalling. 1. Go back to uni asap, your education is important and we need to get the economy going. 2. But COVID..... 3. Don't worry, everything will be fine. ....... 4. Oh bugger, well, you can't go out, you can't have a pint, you can't meet your friends, you can't (try to) get laid, you can't go clubbing (or climbing, or knitting, or join that Japanese cultural club you were always interested in). 5. And yeah, you're locked up. 6. And you can't go home for Christmas. 7. Ahh, sorry, you can't attend that part time job you have to help with your costs. 8. It'll all be online learning. ...... 9. But I paid for..... 10. It's your health, and your gran's health we're looking after, now pipe down and shut up like the obedient child you are!
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Post by benaj on Sept 29, 2020 9:37:08 GMT
As an ex-public school boy I can tell you that one of the major attractions of going to university was that I would be able to drink a lot more, experience far less supervision, and, very marginally, increase my chances of getting laid. Public schools, especially boarding schools, are far more self-contained than universities, whether campus based or spread out across a city. None of which changes the fact that the collective handling of this by the government and universities themselves has been appalling. 1. Go back to uni asap, your education is important and we need to get the economy going. 2. But COVID..... 3. Don't worry, everything will be fine. ....... 4. Oh bugger, well, you can't go out, you can't have a pint, you can't meet your friends, you can't (try to) get laid, you can't go clubbing (or climbing, or knitting, or join that Japanese cultural club you were always interested in). 5. And yeah, you're locked up. 6. And you can't go home for Christmas. 7. Ahh, sorry, you can't attend that part time job you have to help with your costs. 8. It'll all be online learning. ...... 9. But I paid for..... 10. It's your health, and your gran's health we're looking after, now pipe down and shut up like the obedient child you are! Yes, students should have started education asap, but other countries have done things differently. Coronvirus is so contagious, even those who follow the rules can catch it. For places supporting suppression strategy Students started learning remotely before schools open, schools only allowed to open when there are very few cases. Mass testing conducted swiftly where outbreak occurs and isolate those who got it.Is the UK prepared for the winter? Have those universities done enough to protect their reputation? Has the GOV got the infection under conrol ?🤔 Let's see how the testing program performs in a month time.
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Post by registerme on Sept 29, 2020 9:39:03 GMT
Is the UK prepared for the winter? Have those universities done enough to protect their reputation? Has the GOV got the infection under conrol ? 1. No. 2. No. 3. No.
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