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Post by agent69 on Sept 29, 2020 10:57:16 GMT
Is the UK prepared for the winter? Have those universities done enough to protect their reputation? Has the GOV got the infection under conrol ? 1. No. 2. No. 3. No. I've seen the president of the National Union of Students in the media recently blaming everyone apart from her membership for the current situation. Not once did she take the opportunity to urge her members to follow social distancing. So to add a number 4 to your list, have students been following covid-19 regulations - No.
The university in Exeter is a bit out of town and if you want to walk into the city centre you have to go past a large Weatherspoons. Local media have suggested there were up to 100 student(ish) looking people queuing up to get in on Saturday night. No social distancing. Suggestions are that there is a considerable amount of animosity building up as local people see the low local infection rate being jeopardised by reckless behavious by people from up country.
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Post by registerme on Sept 29, 2020 11:38:46 GMT
1. No. 2. No. 3. No. I've seen the president of the National Union of Students in the media recently blaming everyone apart from her membership for the current situation. Not once did she take the opportunity to urge her members to follow social distancing. So to add a number 4 to your list, have students been following covid-19 regulations - No. No argument from me.
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Post by dan1 on Sept 29, 2020 12:14:30 GMT
Fear not forumites they've just wheeled out Frank Spencer to sort out the student mess...
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Post by benaj on Sept 29, 2020 14:10:02 GMT
Fear not forumites they've just wheeled out Frank Spencer to sort out the student mess... Christmas special. Christmas is coming.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 29, 2020 14:34:28 GMT
Government policy and their advice is an utter muddle but I wonder if what is actually happening right now on the ground is that large swathes of young healthy people are contracting the disease and thus gaining immunity (likely for at least some period of time). Older and more vulnerable folk are being more careful and thus not catching it. Hence why the infections are ever up but mortality rate is low.
Over time could this actually infuse more herd immunity throughout the population thus making it safer for everyone?
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Post by benaj on Sept 29, 2020 15:54:14 GMT
Conflict of national interest?
- massive program for the world saving vaccine? - world beating testing program? - Nightingale hospitals that rarely used? (the most vacancy make-shift hospitals) - Expensive covid app? - no clear plans to end COVID?
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Post by agent69 on Sept 29, 2020 16:02:29 GMT
Government policy and their advice is an utter muddle but I wonder if what is actually happening right now on the ground is that large swathes of young healthy people are contracting the disease and thus gaining immunity (likely for at least some period of time). Older and more vulnerable folk are being more careful and thus not catching it. Hence why the infections are ever up but mortality rate is low. Over time could this actually infuse more herd immunity throughout the population thus making it safer for everyone? I wouldn't dispute that the government haven't covered themselves in glory, but there are far too many people around (including a prominent poster on this forum) who are only interested in slagging off everthing they do.
- plenty are happy to moan about the speed of rolling out track and trace, but when the app becomes available they refuse to download it.
- they complain that there is insufficient testing but when they test positive they refuse to isolate
- young people refuse to comply with social distancing regulations
Personal responsibility appears to taken a back seat.
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Post by mrk on Sept 29, 2020 19:07:38 GMT
I wonder if what is actually happening right now on the ground is that large swathes of young healthy people are contracting the disease and thus gaining immunity (likely for at least some period of time). Older and more vulnerable folk are being more careful and thus not catching it. Hence why the infections are ever up but mortality rate is low. Would be nice if true, and there is some data suggesting that's what might be happening right now. The obvious risk is that young people can easily infect older people as well sooner or later. It's pretty much impossible to have complete separation. (Even Anders Tegnell says so.)
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Post by mrk on Sept 29, 2020 19:39:18 GMT
Personal responsibility appears to taken a back seat. It's very difficult to get the British population to obey the rules because we're a freedom loving country. At least that's what I heard the Prime Minister say the other day.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 29, 2020 19:50:38 GMT
I see parliament needed a "backlash" to close its pubs and restaurants at 10pm. My understanding is though, that if you buy your round <edit: IN PARLIAMENT> just before 10, you can stay to drink it. I think I said before this doesn't affect me that much these days but I've always thought it a really stupid (albeit not catastrophic) rule to have. No evidence its going to help much, may even hinder slightly and will certainly P off large sectors of the country. As for the MPs - you couldn't make it up. Just incredible how they of their "officers" (parliament staff) could even think of not following the rules. In the past there was always a last orders time, and you could always stay to drink your last drink, but fairly quickly because there was also a 'drinking up time', before the pub closed. I remember it well!
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Post by dan1 on Oct 1, 2020 8:22:58 GMT
Here's some really encouraging news regarding the reproduction number in England. It comes from the Imperial REACT interim report published this morning... www.imperial.ac.uk/news/205473/latest-react-findings-show-high-number/The data is pretty up to date with samples analysed from 18th - 26th September. It's worth reminding ourselves that Vallence's projection (note how I didn't use the word prediction ) was based on REACT and the ONS Infection Survey. Case numbers from DHSC no longer being reliable due to the saturation of the testing system. I find the timing of this interim report and the press conference yesterday somewhat "interesting". Vallance & Whitty must (surely?) have been aware of the findings of this interim report prior to press conference.
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Post by benaj on Oct 1, 2020 8:33:48 GMT
Here's some really encouraging news regarding the reproduction number in England. It comes from the Imperial REACT interim report published this morning... www.imperial.ac.uk/news/205473/latest-react-findings-show-high-number/The data is pretty up to date with samples analysed from 18th - 26th September. It's worth reminding ourselves that Vallence's projection (note how I didn't use the word prediction ) was based on REACT and the ONS Infection Survey. Case numbers from DHSC no longer being reliable due to the saturation of the testing system. I find the timing of this interim report and the press conference yesterday somewhat "interesting". Vallance & Whitty must (surely?) have been aware of the findings of this interim report prior to press conference. 🤔 Checking the data from the Legacy .csv, the growth rate did indeed dropped prior 10pm curfew. However, I am shocked it went back up after the new rules enforced. It goes back up around the same level around 7th Sep. The bottom line, R it's not below 1, which is what we need to control virus without national lockdown.
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Post by dan1 on Oct 1, 2020 8:53:41 GMT
Here's some really encouraging news regarding the reproduction number in England. It comes from the Imperial REACT interim report published this morning... www.imperial.ac.uk/news/205473/latest-react-findings-show-high-number/The data is pretty up to date with samples analysed from 18th - 26th September. It's worth reminding ourselves that Vallence's projection (note how I didn't use the word prediction ) was based on REACT and the ONS Infection Survey. Case numbers from DHSC no longer being reliable due to the saturation of the testing system. I find the timing of this interim report and the press conference yesterday somewhat "interesting". Vallance & Whitty must (surely?) have been aware of the findings of this interim report prior to press conference. 🤔 Checking the data from the Legacy .csv, the growth rate did indeed dropped prior 10pm curfew. However, I am shocked it went back up after the new rules enforced. It goes back up around the same level around 7th Sep. The bottom line, R it's not below 1, which is what we need to control virus without national lockdown. I'd pretty much ignore the growth rate from the case data. Remember those 185,000 tests awaiting processing? That backlog was probably either cleared by limiting access to tests in the immediate aftermath or ditching tens of thousands of samples (ditching preferable - much more important to trace up to date infections than those a week old). That introduces testing capacity time variance which isn't reflective of the true situation, hence the use of REACT and ONS. The Zoe app and triage data (online, 111 & 999) both support the reduction in Rt. Agreed that Rt>1 is not sustainable but I hope it suggests some of the restrictions introduced a few weeks back plus the renewed public messaging may be improving the situation. A national lockdown will primarily be a failure of test, trace & isolate. It's in a poor state but surely it can cope with increased restrictions thereby avoiding a national lockdown. I'd put the probablity of national lockdown very low (let's be optimistic!).
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Post by benaj on Oct 1, 2020 12:30:40 GMT
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Post by agent69 on Oct 1, 2020 17:43:25 GMT
An SNP MP was feeling unwell so had a covid-19 test on Saturday. She travelled to Westminster the following Monday, where she received confirmation that she had tested positive. She then got on a train and travelled back to Scotland.
SNP leadership says she has let herself down.
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