michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Jan 25, 2021 15:28:46 GMT
It's nice to be able to genuinely compliment the UK for their efforts on vaccination thus far and also in genome sequencing new variants. Long may it continue. My other interest at the moment is around the apparently forthcoming enhanced travel restrictions. It seems like a broad-based hotel quarantine for all arrivals is genuinely on the cards. What do people think of this? I can only really see the value of this if, as I think Boris alluded to this morning, the aim is to keep out new even more horrible variants. However, if that's the case, what's the corollary? For just how long do we need to keep out new variants that do not exist yet? Months? Years? The implications seem a little disturbing.As an aside, I'm outside of the UK at the moment and should in theory be returning at some point. If however doing so would, to summarise a recent article about the Australian version, involve being cooped up for 2 weeks in a room that is not guaranteed to have a balcony or window, where alcohol is either prohibited or at minibar prices, subpar food is delivered thrice daily, and will cost around £2k per couple.....then in the words of Mark Zuckerberg "Umm, uhh...No". edit: incidentally the IAG (BA owners) share price seems to track all of this nicely. Recent peak at the end of November before things started getting really hairy. Down 15% in the last 5 days presumably largely on this news. Well if the enforcement continues to be as it has been then all it means is when you land you'll be asked nicely if perhaps you'd like to stay in a hotel instead of going home to which you nod your head and proceed home. In all seriousness, they need to enforce properly what they have right now. Get that working and then move to the next stage only if deemed necessary.
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Post by benaj on Jan 25, 2021 15:39:57 GMT
P.S. Moderna up 10% today. Yeah, it's a positive reaction from the market. Working on new variants, even without going through trials.
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Post by dan1 on Jan 25, 2021 16:51:59 GMT
It's been going on in one form or another since 2009.... QE and other measures. Yes, it has ramped up significantly over the last year but then borrowing costs have plummeted and I guess we're spending less on borrowing with a much bigger pile of debt than we were pre-Covid. I'm not saying it's correct (too much has found its way into the hands of the wealthy, the shareholders) but you can understand why govts around the world have followed the same route because the alternatives are mass business failures and the resulting unemployment and that's just not conducive to winning elections.
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Post by dan1 on Jan 25, 2021 16:57:04 GMT
From John Bell of the Oxford/AZN vaccine....
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Post by agent69 on Jan 25, 2021 17:03:06 GMT
Interesting article from the BBC regarding which work groups are highest risk from covid:
Per 100,000 men aged 20-64, 31 died in the population as a whole compared with:
119 restaurant and catering staff per 100,000 110 care workers 106 metal-working machine operatives 101 taxi drivers 100 security guards 79 nurses
Per 100,000 women aged 20-64, 17 died in the population as a whole compared with:
47 care workers per 100,000 32 social workers 27 sales or retail assistants 25 nurses 22 cleaners 21 secondary education teaching professionals
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Post by starfished on Jan 25, 2021 17:05:45 GMT
Interesting article from the BBC regarding which work groups are highest risk from covid:
Per 100,000 men aged 20-64, 31 died in the population as a whole compared with:
119 restaurant and catering staff per 100,000 110 care workers 106 metal-working machine operatives 101 taxi drivers 100 security guards 79 nurses
Per 100,000 women aged 20-64, 17 died in the population as a whole compared with:
47 care workers per 100,000 32 social workers 27 sales or retail assistants 25 nurses 22 cleaners 21 secondary education teaching professionals
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Post by dan1 on Jan 25, 2021 17:08:32 GMT
Interesting article from the BBC regarding which work groups are highest risk from covid:
Per 100,000 men aged 20-64, 31 died in the population as a whole compared with:
119 restaurant and catering staff per 100,000 110 care workers 106 metal-working machine operatives 101 taxi drivers 100 security guards 79 nurses
Per 100,000 women aged 20-64, 17 died in the population as a whole compared with:
47 care workers per 100,000 32 social workers 27 sales or retail assistants 25 nurses 22 cleaners 21 secondary education teaching professionals
? agent69 doesn't consider teachers as professionals
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starfished
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Post by starfished on Jan 25, 2021 17:09:07 GMT
While I am personally still on the fence about the priority that should be given to teachers (partly because kids not being in school is severely determinantal), we need to be careful not to again be perceived to be cheapening the death of women...
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benaj
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Post by benaj on Jan 25, 2021 17:25:01 GMT
Interesting article from the BBC regarding which work groups are highest risk from covid:
Per 100,000 men aged 20-64, 31 died in the population as a whole compared with:
119 restaurant and catering staff per 100,000 110 care workers 106 metal-working machine operatives 101 taxi drivers 100 security guards 79 nurses
Per 100,000 women aged 20-64, 17 died in the population as a whole compared with:
47 care workers per 100,000 32 social workers 27 sales or retail assistants 25 nurses 22 cleaners 21 secondary education teaching professionals
That's sad. I thought have thought the risk with COVID would be highest with the dental nurses, however, the working population is much younger in that group www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/whichoccupationshavethehighestpotentialexposuretothecoronaviruscovid19/2020-05-11 Taxi Drivers? Not great, 31% over 55 and 41% from BAME. Oh dear. Somehow, bus drivers are more COVID secured, interesting! I wonder why, is it because of the distancing?www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52752022Remember that was a time many London bus drivers made headlines.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 25, 2021 17:28:27 GMT
agent69 doesn't consider teachers as professionals Nobody's perfect. I've been up since 4:30am watching the cricket
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 25, 2021 17:57:27 GMT
That's sad. I thought have thought the risk with COVID would be highest with the dental nurses, however, the working population is much younger in that group . I get yoiur thinking but they are in a much more controlled medical setting than say a taxi drive. They are taking significant precautions, their customers are checked to attempt to filter out infected people and so on.
When I had a hygiene appointment middle last year, my hygienist was in full PPE suit and gloves, face mask and face shield.
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Post by starfished on Jan 25, 2021 18:40:26 GMT
At the start of Covid, (before lockdown) buses were still packed with no screens and it was not uncommon for people to stand very near to the driver in a packed bus. Nowadays, none of that happens. In contrast, Taxi drivers can only get so far from their passengers, only maybe 50% of the ones I have been in had screens and for some reason none have asked to open a window (but if I asked they happily said yes and expressed relief at my suggestion)
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Post by dan1 on Jan 25, 2021 21:57:40 GMT
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Post by mrk on Jan 25, 2021 23:07:09 GMT
The European Medicines Agency is expected to decide on AZN by the end of this week so we'll know soon enough. I don't think 8% is right, but the US is holding back approval precisely because of insufficient data in the elderly, so I'm curious to see what the EMA says.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jan 26, 2021 7:53:14 GMT
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