Steerpike
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Post by Steerpike on Mar 24, 2021 14:20:39 GMT
we were told 'don't contact us, we'll contact you' for the 2nd dose. I was told the same, it seems odd that different systems are used in different areas.
To her surprise my wife, who is under 50, was called this week to make an appointment and is booked in for Saturday, much earlier than we expected.
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Post by james100 on Mar 24, 2021 14:29:24 GMT
Well, I just had the AZ vaccine jab. It was very efficiently organised (much easier than getting through the self-checkout in Sainsburys). Greeters outside the surgery, people filling in forms in the queue, one person using a tablet to fish out your NHS number, about ten (if I had to guess) consultancy rooms in use. Apparently they're competing to process as many as they can. The nurse (maybe a doctor, I don't know) who did mine said she was behind because she talked too much. I don't think she realises how important that is, for all sorts of reasons. It's just so nice to be able to have a quick chat with somebody! All in all it took about ten minutes from start to finish. I was surprised to see the army there (and shouldn't have been really). Given the talk of vaccine hesitancy in some communities I was also pleasantly surprised to see lots of black people there. My sample size of a whole one may not be representative, but you can hope... I just got called up too so getting my first one on Friday. Looks like maybe stocks are being run down on an age basis but now by year with the 49-ers getting called up first.
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Post by bracknellboy on Mar 24, 2021 15:32:10 GMT
well I hope they have planned probably for second jabs. One concern I have with running this to a 12 week gap, is if they run it to the full 12 weeks rather than say aim for 10 weeks....because that would make it overly sensitive to vaccine supply. "Sorry, you now will hjave to have your second jab at 15 weeks 'cos we can't get the vaccine from <insert European country of your choice>"
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Post by michaelc on Mar 24, 2021 15:39:21 GMT
well I hope they have planned probably for second jabs. One concern I have with running this to a 12 week gap, is if they run it to the full 12 weeks rather than say aim for 10 weeks....because that would make it overly sensitive to vaccine supply. "Sorry, you now will hjave to have your second jab at 15 weeks 'cos we can't get the vaccine from <insert European country of your choice>" India ?
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Post by agent69 on Mar 24, 2021 16:35:41 GMT
Chancellor Angela Merkel has made an extraordinary plea to the German people to forgive her, after she cancelled a strict Easter lockdown just a day after announcing it
I'm certain there is an appropriate saying somewhere that covers this situation. Something to do with a celebration in a brewery springs to mind.
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 24, 2021 16:42:09 GMT
Well, I've just had the NHS T&T e-mail informing me that I've been in contact with someone who's tested positive. Date coincides with my journey to the UK, so seems a racing certainty that it was someone on the flight.
So that now leaves me doubly quarantined I suppose. Quarantined as I've come into the UK, and quarantined again as someone on the plane had it. I can live with that, just as long as I don't get the hat trick of being quarantined with COVID (we have no symptoms but also no results yet back from the crappy day 2 testing provider)
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Post by michaelc on Mar 24, 2021 17:01:58 GMT
Well, I've just had the NHS T&T e-mail informing me that I've been in contact with someone who's tested positive. Date coincides with my journey to the UK, so seems a racing certainty that it was someone on the flight. So that now leaves me doubly quarantined I suppose. Quarantined as I've come into the UK, and quarantined again as someone on the plane had it. I can live with that, just as long as I don't get the hat trick of being quarantined with COVID (we have no symptoms but also no results yet back from the crappy day 2 testing provider) Not nice. Hope you get negatives and if I recall you're in your 30s so really you should be ok whatever happens. Was that the nhs T&T app that picked it up or just you were manually tracked down as (you guess) being on the same flight? I suppose it could have been someone in the arrivals hall ?
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r00lish67
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 24, 2021 17:42:29 GMT
Well, I've just had the NHS T&T e-mail informing me that I've been in contact with someone who's tested positive. Date coincides with my journey to the UK, so seems a racing certainty that it was someone on the flight. So that now leaves me doubly quarantined I suppose. Quarantined as I've come into the UK, and quarantined again as someone on the plane had it. I can live with that, just as long as I don't get the hat trick of being quarantined with COVID (we have no symptoms but also no results yet back from the crappy day 2 testing provider) Not nice. Hope you get negatives and if I recall you're in your 30s so really you should be ok whatever happens. Was that the nhs T&T app that picked it up or just you were manually tracked down as (you guess) being on the same flight? I suppose it could have been someone in the arrivals hall ? I assume it will be the passenger locator form, which also includes the allocated seat numbers. Though the stewardesses were unusually sanguine, even encouraging, about everyone switching their allocated seats so it's all a bit meaningless really. We weren't really near anyone for the rest of the journey (despite being on 2 separate trains - both totally empty).
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Post by registerme on Mar 24, 2021 22:23:45 GMT
I don't think she realises how important that is, for all sorts of reasons. It's just so nice to be able to have a quick chat with somebody!
No doubt it is, and no doubt she does.
But she is entirely correct that her role as a qualified person in the vaccine role means that idle chatting is a waste of time.
Consider she's probably doing what, at least a couple of hundred people a day ? A couple of minutes for an idle chat soon adds up.
Plus, in the COVID context, it increases her exposure time to each person, which should really be minimised.
Maybe the NHS should roll in a few more unqualified people to sit around chatting on the side. Your sublime bedside manner shining through there @wallstreet .
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Post by bernythedolt on Mar 25, 2021 2:56:09 GMT
Poland and Ukraine's situation at the moment look horrendous. The share of tests coming back positive in Poland/Ukraine are circa 28%. For comparison, most EU countries are <8% and UK is 0.5%. Poland had 30,000 cases today with a population of 37m, so to put this in comparable terms with the UK you could call it roughly 58,000 cases if it happened here, and that itself would be a dramatic underestimate. They are apparently going to be locking down further, which is frankly essential because a) the ICU's are full and b) the Polish would otherwise definitely mostly meet up for Easter (and many still will regardless!). Easter being tremendously more observed/involved there than here. You may be surprised to learn exactly that did happen here in the UK (you were perhaps abroad at the time). For the first two weeks of January, we were regularly posting 50,000+ new cases per day (and some areas were reporting 25% of tests positive IIRC). New cases here peaked as high as 68k on Jan 8th.
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 25, 2021 9:13:27 GMT
I don't think she realises how important that is, for all sorts of reasons. It's just so nice to be able to have a quick chat with somebody!
No doubt it is, and no doubt she does.
But she is entirely correct that her role as a qualified person in the vaccine role means that idle chatting is a waste of time.
Consider she's probably doing what, at least a couple of hundred people a day ? A couple of minutes for an idle chat soon adds up.
Plus, in the COVID context, it increases her exposure time to each person, which should really be minimised.
Maybe the NHS should roll in a few more unqualified people to sit around chatting on the side. As someone in field, I can tell you that giving a bit of time, even for so called "idle chat", is a vital part of any medical intervention, and is very rarely a waste of time. So much of medicine is not about the medicine (or vaccine) itself, and outcomes have been shown time and time again to be much better if you have a good relationship with your healthcare professional. I am very fond of the placebo effect - or, as I call it, taking good care of people. Alas, bean counters and box tickers and misplaced "efficiency drives" are taking over the NHS and we will be all the worse for it.
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Post by registerme on Mar 25, 2021 9:16:09 GMT
Quite aside from the fact that they budget and plan for time to be allowed to answer questions and concerns about the vaccines and / or concerns about underlying health conditions and their interaction with the vaccines.
Time that I didn't use.
That quick chat did me the world of good.
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Post by registerme on Mar 25, 2021 9:25:57 GMT
IFISAcava a couple of questions for you, if you can spare a minute . 1. It's now 23 hours since I had my first jab. I have experienced absolutely zero side-effects. My layman's understanding is that the side-effects are typically the result of your body gearing up to deal with the new, alien, "infection" that is has no previous knowledge of. Can I conclude from the lack of any reaction that my immune system had already encountered COVID-19? ie that it corroborates (at least to an extent) my earlier belief that I had had it? I guess it's likely more complicated than a yes / no answer but I'm curious... 2. With the relative success of the vaccination programme, what's your view on Track and Trace now? If I get a text from them to tell me to self-isolate can I tell them to bog off because I've been vaccinated?
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Post by IFISAcava on Mar 25, 2021 9:58:20 GMT
IFISAcava a couple of questions for you, if you can spare a minute . 1. It's now 23 hours since I had my first jab. I have experienced absolutely zero side-effects. My layman's understanding is that the side-effects are typically the result of your body gearing up to deal with the new, alien, "infection" that is has no previous knowledge of. Can I conclude from the lack of any reaction that my immune system had already encountered COVID-19? ie that it corroborates (at least to an extent) my earlier belief that I had had it? I guess it's likely more complicated than a yes / no answer but I'm curious... 2. With the relative success of the vaccination programme, what's your view on Track and Trace now? If I get a text from them to tell me to self-isolate can I tell them to bog off because I've been vaccinated? 1. Other way round - if you had it previously you react more against the vaccine (or at least more rapidly). But I think there is such a wide range of reactions that one can't really conclude much from the levels of side effects experienced. 2. Vaccination takes 2-3 weeks to induce full immune response. It does protect you for sure (from getting it, and from severity if you do get it), and also probably reduces your chances of passing it on if you do get it again. But whilst T&T is ongoing to stop onward transmission, I'd say one ought still to follow it. You might ask whether having the NHS app on at all times is overkill as it will be "calibrated" to the unvaccinated state.
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Post by r00lish67 on Mar 25, 2021 11:26:30 GMT
Poland and Ukraine's situation at the moment look horrendous. The share of tests coming back positive in Poland/Ukraine are circa 28%. For comparison, most EU countries are <8% and UK is 0.5%. Poland had 30,000 cases today with a population of 37m, so to put this in comparable terms with the UK you could call it roughly 58,000 cases if it happened here, and that itself would be a dramatic underestimate. They are apparently going to be locking down further, which is frankly essential because a) the ICU's are full and b) the Polish would otherwise definitely mostly meet up for Easter (and many still will regardless!). Easter being tremendously more observed/involved there than here. You may be surprised to learn exactly that did happen here in the UK (you were perhaps abroad at the time). For the first two weeks of January, we were regularly posting 50,000+ new cases per day (and some areas were reporting 25% of tests positive IIRC). New cases here peaked as high as 68k on Jan 8th. Sure, I remember - I remember thinking "Jesus, am I really going to have to come back to that?" But, at least according to the same dataset , even at the very peak of the UK's woes we were only seeing 13% of tests returned positive overall. In November, Poland managed the feat of fully 50% tests returning positive. At the time they were apparently refusing tests to anyone except those who literally pitched up at hospitals in a bad way. It does make you wonder just how many cases Poland would have now if they tested to the same extent as the UK.
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