bugs4me
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Post by bugs4me on Dec 1, 2014 11:06:02 GMT
mikes1531 - GEIA update:
Interest I still have not received interest payments for Aberdeenshire or Swansea WTs (or any other WTs) held via my GEIA. I have asked AC (via the QA) for an explanation.
Exit I cancelled (adjusted investment to 0) and attempted to withdraw all funds from GEIA on 22 November. Of the £100 paid in, £10.76 was never invested at all, £26.29 has been sold and £62.35 remains unsold, "awaiting withdrawal". Thanks for the exit feedback Vero - although doesn't sound good. You may be waiting a long time for these units to be picked up unless or until AC fine tune the selling algorithm.
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Post by sl75 on Dec 1, 2014 16:12:08 GMT
An interesting anomaly on my GEIA... ... It seems odd to have this show £1.51 "Awaiting withdrawal" at the same time as £1.34... "Awaiting investment". ... I'll leave the account in that state for now to see what happens.... Curiouser and curiouser... Today, my GEIA received about a farthing (quarter of a penny) of interest from Cu WT (77), and also had a sale of £0.95 of Mo WT (112). Those paying attention will note that £1.34 + £0.95 = £2.29 of free cash within my GEIA after these payments [ignoring fractions] - more than enough to allow the £1.51 "Awaiting withdrawal" to be fulfilled. However, the GEIA only sent £0.95 to my cash account, rather than the full £1.51 requested. The current state now demonstrates a clear bug in the handling of the withdrawal targets, as I now see: £0.56 Awaiting Withdrawal £1.34 Awaiting Investment The cash remains obviously available to fulfil the remaining £0.56 of withdrawal, and yet the withdrawal does not occur. Once again, I'll leave my account in this clearly erroneous state to allow chris to have a test case if he fixes the bug before it sorts itself out by some other route.
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Post by batchoy on Dec 1, 2014 17:02:53 GMT
At the moment I am totally baffled and I need to spend this evening going through statements and paperwork. The outstanding £0.27 withdrawal has gone from my GEIA dashboard and my total investment has dropped from £18.27 not to £18.00 but to £16.61 a drop of £1.66. Looking at my GEIA statement there has been no transactions since the transfer out of £1.73 on the 27 th Nov. However looking at my CA Statement I can see a sale of £1.66 worth of Montrose WT but I hold Montrose WT in both my MLIA and GEIA so I am going to see if I can trace which account the sale was made from, but for the moment I will assume it comes from the GEIA. Additionally I have two entries in the CA for Cumbria WT interest repayments so I am assuming the big One is for the MLIA and the small one is for the GEIA and as yet there seems to be no PF Premium clawback Edit: I have looked through my statements and, - I cannot tally the loan id's in the Montrose WT sale with any of my purchase ids in either my GEIA or MLIA accounts, so I have to assume the GEIA total is correct and they were loan units held in the GEIA that were sold purely on the grounds that the GEIA total has dropped by £1.66.
- I cannot see why the GEIA has sold £1.66 of Montrose rather than £0.27 of GEIA investment it was instructed to sell: none of the GEIA Montrose WT purchases was for £1.66, there cannot be a limit on the shrapnelising of loans as a sale of £6,000 of Hackney BL was shrapnelised down as low as units of £0.13, thus the only possible reason for Montrose WT being chosen was that the GEIA had an out of balance investment in favour of Montrose WT but there is no reason for the sale of the additional £1.39.
- I cannot reconcile the two Cumbria WT interest payments to the relevant accounts other than by the size of the payments due to a lack of references.
- As yet I have not worked out if the £0.00 (£0.000477776710495894) Cumbria WT interest payment, which I assume if for the GEIA holding, is pre or post the payment of the PF Premium.
The big issue I have, and have had since the upgrade is that you cannot base your accounts on assumption and assumption seems to be the only possible to operate with AC given the state of their Statements. 2nd Edit: Since the £0.27 withdrawal was to have resulted in an investment of £18.00 invested in my GEIA, I have increased my investment total from £16.61 to £18.00 resulting in entries transfer entries for £1.39 in both the CA and GEIA statements and the GEIA dashboard shows £1.39 awaiting investment and £16.61 invested. 3rd Edit: Having transferred funds across to the GEIA it promptly invested a chunk in loan #127, minutes after the loan had be updated to show that the loan was in a state of flux: in breach of its LTV covenant, and pending proposals from the borrower and a lender vote. My personal view on this is that as a rule of thumb if there are sufficient grounds to put an alert at the top of the loan page warning people of material changes in the loan then it aught to be the case that the loan is suspended from new investment by the GEIA where investors have no control over what is bought and sold.
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 2, 2014 5:14:28 GMT
At the moment I am totally baffled ... batchoy: To add to your bafflement, if you were holding any of the Falmouth WT loan before your further purchase as reported in your third edit then you probably will have been affected by the unexplained drop in the Capital Remaining for this loan. This oddity has been pointed out in the Falmouth thread and in the loan's Q&A. In the meantime, any Aftermarket transactions between the time the Capital Remaining dropped and the future time when it is corrected -- presuming it is -- will have be done at the wrong capital value since -- admittedly only if I'm correct and the capital value is an error -- buyers will have paid too little for the parts purchased and the sellers will have been short-changed. I wouldn't want to be chris trying to seek out and adjust all those transactions, of which there no doubt will be quite a few.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 2, 2014 5:19:29 GMT
Looking at the differentials between the market WT loans c9.5% and the GEIA projection of 7% I would have thought that the 50k seed money would have been 'repaid' well before £1M. bugs4me: I don't think so. As I suggested earlier, even if there was £1M invested in GEIAs tomorrow, the 2.5% differential interest rate 'spread' would produce only £25k/year. So it would take two full years to generate the £50k needed to replace AC's seed money.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 2, 2014 5:37:47 GMT
And for anyone who is interested, there has been no activity in my GEIA for over three days now, so 1.7% of my investment still is sitting idle. Further to Sunday evening's report... On Monday at 0842 Cum**** WT interest of 0.28111p was credited to my GEIA. Unlike the previous occasions when I received interest, there was no "Provision fund payment to Green Energy Investment Account Provision Fund" debited to the account later in the day. I haven't a clue whether that's still to come, or whether those payments have been temporarily, or permanently, suspended. And I don't know whether the interest credited to my GEIA was based on the full 10% payable on this loan or on the 7% rate my GEIA is supposed to be earning. Hopefully chris can tell us what has been changed so that the behaviour we saw last week did not occur today. After that credit, the total value of my GEIA climbed to £20.01. I don't know how long it stayed at that level, but at some point it dropped to £19.79 with no evidence of any activity in my GEIA statement. (And I'm set to reinvest all repayments, so there should be no leakage from my GEIA into my Cash Account.) I suspect it relates to the odd behaviour of the Falmouth loan reported elsewhere.
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2014 9:45:56 GMT
The capital drop was a mistake by the admin team when editing the figures of the capital remaining in the loan. This should either have been corrected already or will be corrected shortly.
With the GEIA interest payments should have been deducted at source but that hasn't happened in this case. I've made a change that will make sure that this happens next time regardless of how the payment is processed internally, so in future you will see a single transaction at the capped rate with no second transaction for the provision fund. In this instance we'll waive the provision fund payment as our mistake, topping up the fund ourselves.
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Post by batchoy on Dec 2, 2014 10:47:51 GMT
The GEIA experiment continues, after picking up some Falmouth, the GEIA picked up some Cornwall last night, but there still remains uninvested funds to the tune of £0.49, however I also seem to have picked up £0.08 from somewhere which is unaccounted for in my statements as my total is £18.08 rather than the £18.00 my accounts and the AC statements say it should be.
Awaiting Investment: £0.49 (2.7%) Currently Invested:£17.59 Total Investment: £18.08
Could this be £0.08 due Falmouth, I have no idea as AC do not seem to be making corrections using Journal Entries that then appear on statements.
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Post by sl75 on Dec 2, 2014 11:24:24 GMT
£0.08 of interest? Maybe in individual payments of less than a penny that show on the statement as £0.00?
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Post by batchoy on Dec 2, 2014 11:27:10 GMT
£0.08 of interest? Maybe in individual payments of less than a penny that show on the statement as £0.00? It is not interest as the account is set to withdraw so interest is being paid directly into the CA and the interest transactions are appearing on the CA statement
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2014 12:16:31 GMT
I have no idea as AC do not seem to be making corrections using Journal Entries that then appear on statements. We're not making any corrections that involve movements of money. We cannot change your cash position without making statement entries. What can happen is your loan units can be revalued without a movement of funds, and that is what happened accidentally with Falmouth through admin error. That particular function is being taken away from the admins so that they cannot do so by mistake in future.
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Post by Bagman on Dec 2, 2014 14:01:17 GMT
Hi..
Any news or an estimate of when the code for the GEIA will be tweaked to lend out the last few bob that is left awaiting investment on all of our accounts ??
chris
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Post by sl75 on Dec 2, 2014 14:12:10 GMT
We cannot change your cash position without making statement entries. Although a different context, that quite clearly isn't true - my cash account suddenly jumped today by a significant amount, without any statement entries having been generated. My "Settled bids" also fell by the same amount at the same time, and I'd had an email yesterday about the loan in question, making it obvious what had happened despite the lack of any statement entry. Presumably AC don't consider it worth bothering to generate statement entries for money being returned from settled bids on the grounds that this function won't be relevant in the future, but it clearly demonstrates that mechanisms exist for AC to change our cash position without making statement entries.
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2014 14:19:29 GMT
We cannot change your cash position without making statement entries. Although a different context, that quite clearly isn't true - my cash account suddenly jumped today by a significant amount, without any statement entries having been generated. My "Settled bids" also fell by the same amount at the same time. Presumably AC don't consider it worth bothering to generate statement entries for money being returned from settled bids on the grounds that this function won't be relevant in the future, but it clearly demonstrates that mechanisms exist for AC to change our cash position without making statement entries. This has been covered many times. A bid isn't a movement of cash it's a reservation of funds, in the same way your current account or credit card can have a forward transaction placed against them. Order something online where the merchant reserves funds but you're only billed at dispatch and your credit card supports funds being reserved on your account for multiple weeks without it showing on your statement, with that transaction only settled at the point of dispatch. This is one of the reasons why your available funds and balance can differ despite there not being any transactions on your statement. Bids work in the same way. There is a reservation of funds placed on your account in the form of a forward transaction. This segregates the funds, preventing them from being used for other purposes, but the transaction remains open and available to be edited. If the bid is drawn down into a loan then that transaction is settled, if the bid is cancelled or rejected then the transaction is flagged as deleted and the funds released. The only possible mistake is that we probably shouldn't be showing bids on your statement at all, sticking only to settled transactions. A separate list of reservations of funds could then be provided to show the clear distinction. I've previously suggested this internally but haven't been able to get it signed off. AC have not, do not, and cannot move funds without a transaction and your above statement is unfortunately wrong.
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Post by chris on Dec 2, 2014 14:21:52 GMT
Hi..
Any news or an estimate of when the code for the GEIA will be tweaked to lend out the last few bob that is left awaiting investment on all of our accounts ??
chris It's imminent.
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