Godanubis
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Post by Godanubis on Feb 19, 2020 2:03:44 GMT
I believe we may be seeing the end of interest bearing current accounts. Over the years the likes of Santander have introduced account fees which have remained constant while interest rates & associated benefits have reduced. I personally dont care. Traditionally current accounts did not pay interest. It was savings account that did. But that changed in the turn of the century originally led by alliance and Leicester. I miss the days when you walked into the building society with a passbook said hello to the cashier who knew you and asked for cash. Today it is too easy. Press a few buttons and you get the cash! Good old Alliance and Leicester I still have £100K + at 0.75% above BOE base tracker interest only for a mortgage for last 15 years so effectively I do need to have money trapped in a house it can be making me several times the payments in interest Etc. In a year. Sadly I will soon need to give them the dosh back. The last time I queried it Santander had to wind up their old computers just to find the account. I also remember getting 400 shares when Santander took them over which I still have. Hopefully I will snap up a “RIO” mortgage and keep things as they are. In the old days I knew my bank manager personally and he decided if I could get a loan not a faceless computer. Those type of banks are now very rare, they do however still exist.
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Post by mikeh on Feb 19, 2020 12:48:46 GMT
Marcus is cutting its basic rate from 1.35% to 1.30% on 10th March. Bonus rates unaffected.
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Post by aju on Feb 19, 2020 14:33:58 GMT
Marcus is cutting its basic rate from 1.35% to 1.30% on 10th March. Bonus rates unaffected. Luckily Mrs Aju still has the 1.5% rate until end of august. Not see an email for here thought that details the changes is it different for non current account - marcus is a savings account.
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Post by zlb on Feb 21, 2020 21:26:23 GMT
Nsi is slashing rates as well. Less chance of winning on the premium bonds from may. All of this is just pushing more and more ppl to p2p lending especially around isa season. it's a bad decline... "The odds of any £1 bond number winning any prize will decrease from 24,500/1 to 26,000/1 from the May 2020 draw onwards. Around 173,718 fewer premium bond prizes will be handed out in May, compared with February. It means, for example, that there will be five £100,000 prizes up for grabs in the May draw, down from six in February. And there will be around 13,448 £100 prizes on offer in May, down from 27,221 in February, NS&I said." www.theguardian.com/money/2020/feb/17/nsi-announce-interest-rate-reductions-for-25m-customers
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Post by ceejay on Feb 22, 2020 8:37:30 GMT
Nsi is slashing rates as well. Less chance of winning on the premium bonds from may. All of this is just pushing more and more ppl to p2p lending especially around isa season. it's a bad decline... "The odds of any £1 bond number winning any prize will decrease from 24,500/1 to 26,000/1 from the May 2020 draw onwards. Around 173,718 fewer premium bond prizes will be handed out in May, compared with February. It means, for example, that there will be five £100,000 prizes up for grabs in the May draw, down from six in February. And there will be around 13,448 £100 prizes on offer in May, down from 27,221 in February, NS&I said." www.theguardian.com/money/2020/feb/17/nsi-announce-interest-rate-reductions-for-25m-customersWhat that article didn't say, nor your summary, is that the prize fund is being reduced from an annual rate of 1.4% to 1.3% (remembering that the average punter will always get less than that). Not so draconian, and near the top end of current cash rates.
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Post by failedtheturingtest on Feb 22, 2020 17:41:27 GMT
the prize fund is being reduced from an annual rate of 1.4% to 1.3% (remembering that the average punter will always get less than that). Not so draconian, and near the top end of current cash rates. That's the size of the prize fund, but a lot of the prize fund is used to pay the small number of large prizes, leaving most people to get nothing at all. The amount you can expect to actually receive is much less than 1.3% of the amount you invest -- MoneySavingExpert goes into detail on this: www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/premium-bonds/
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Post by erniec on Feb 22, 2020 18:37:54 GMT
With the fund currently at 1.4% and the odds of any win at 24,500 to 1, someone with the maximum £50,000 would expect 2 wins per month. Assuming these were the minimum £25, the return is 1.2%, tax free. I’ll let someone else do the arithmetic when the fund is 1.3% and the odds 26,000 to 1.
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Post by df on Feb 22, 2020 20:52:32 GMT
I believe we may be seeing the end of interest bearing current accounts. Over the years the likes of Santander have introduced account fees which have remained constant while interest rates & associated benefits have reduced. That's my belief too. As far as I remember, £2 fee on 1|2|3 was there at the beginning, later increased to £5. I've opened 2 accounts as soon the product was launched, it was great - £100 p/m for a safe storage. When they've dropped the rate to 1.5% I reduced to one account. Now I'm planning to ditch Santander all together at the beginning of March. No point having it at 1%. My bills are small, so I only have about £2.50 reimbursed. This will be covered if I carry on with monthly saver (next available issue is 2%), but I'll still be left with 1% profit. I have 1.5% ISA with Santander, but that runs out in March... there's no incentive for me to have any accounts with this bank. There're plenty of easy access accounts that pay better interest. There are few good products for those with children under 16 on FSCS market: Nationwide "Future Saver 3" - 3% on 5k. Halifax "Kids' Saver" - 2% on 5k. + you can open 4.5% "Kids' monthly saver" (only £100 p/m allowance, but every little helps). Few more building societies offer children's accounts at decent rates... they come and go and some are only available in branch.
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 22, 2020 23:06:33 GMT
JP Morgan reported to be planning to launch Chase online bank in UK this year according to SkyNews
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Post by ceejay on Feb 23, 2020 9:48:02 GMT
the prize fund is being reduced from an annual rate of 1.4% to 1.3% (remembering that the average punter will always get less than that). Not so draconian, and near the top end of current cash rates. That's the size of the prize fund, but a lot of the prize fund is used to pay the small number of large prizes, leaving most people to get nothing at all. The amount you can expect to actually receive is much less than 1.3% of the amount you invest -- MoneySavingExpert goes into detail on this: www.moneysavingexpert.com/savings/premium-bonds/ Not really. 5% of the prize fund goes into the top prizes (£5k+, including the two £1M prizes), another 5% into the middle band (£500 - £1k) and 90% goes into the lower value (£25-£100), almost all of that into the £25 wins. www.nsandi.com/prize-checker You could legitimately model this as being a 1.3 * 0.9 = 1.17% return that you would reasonably expect to see if you have a reasonable number of bonds (at least £10k, say), with the tiny chance of a big prize as a bonus on top.
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Post by failedtheturingtest on Feb 23, 2020 10:41:24 GMT
Even if that is correct, it's less than mainstream fully-guaranteed savings accounts are offering. MoneySavingExpert gives median expected returns for Premium Bonds that roughly look like they converge to around 1% for large amounts of bonds held for multiple years. (If you only hold £1,000 for one year, it's mostl likely that you will win nothing.)
But what really surprised me is that apparently if you buy £100 of premium bonds and hold them for a year, your odds of winning £1 million in that period are slightly better than your odds of winning the jackpot on a single ticket on the National Lottery Lotto. I reluctantly admit that I have bought lottery tickets a few times in my life... I should have bought Premium Bonds instead!
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Post by ceejay on Feb 23, 2020 12:24:06 GMT
Even if that is correct, it's less than mainstream fully-guaranteed savings accounts are offering. MoneySavingExpert gives median expected returns for Premium Bonds that roughly look like they converge to around 1% for large amounts of bonds held for multiple years. (If you only hold £1,000 for one year, it's mostl likely that you will win nothing.) But what really surprised me is that apparently if you buy £100 of premium bonds and hold them for a year, your odds of winning £1 million in that period are slightly better than your odds of winning the jackpot on a single ticket on the National Lottery Lotto. I reluctantly admit that I have bought lottery tickets a few times in my life... I should have bought Premium Bonds instead! And with your second para I think you have finally got the point! The thing that Lottery Tickets and Premium Bonds have in common is that what you're really buying is a Licence To Dream: the opportunity to fantasise, for a moment, about what you'd do with all that dosh. The odds of it actually coming off are pretty irrelevant - once they get over, say, 1:1,000,000 then it really stops mattering. In this sense the £100 of PBs is a much better bet than one Lottery Ticket (whatever the maths might say) because you have twelve draws in the year instead of one. They also both operate in the same way as insurance policies - you expect to lose money on those, too, but every sensible person has some. Insurance policies pool risk: lotteries pool reward. Anyhoo, the point of my first post stands - the cut in rates has been hugely overstated by sensationalist reporting (in the Guardian of all places!). The overall payout at 1.3% is at the top end of current instant cash rates (tax free, risk free), and holders are choosing to get a bit less than that in exchange for said Licence To Dream.
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Post by gravitykillz on Feb 23, 2020 14:31:39 GMT
Anyone checked out that new nationwide account where u can win £100 every 3 months ?
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Post by erniec on Feb 23, 2020 14:53:18 GMT
Anyone checked out that new nationwide account where u can win £100 every 3 months ? Hardly worth it when you are only allowed to save £100 for 24 months at 1%.
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Post by r00lish67 on Feb 23, 2020 15:19:15 GMT
Anyhoo, the point of my first post stands - the cut in rates has been hugely overstated by sensationalist reporting (in the Guardian of all places!). The overall payout at 1.3% is at the top end of current instant cash rates (tax free, risk free), and holders are choosing to get a bit less than that in exchange for said Licence To Dream. It's quite a lot less though. It's not just "90% of 1.3% = 1.17%" MSE's premium bonds calculator demonstrates that even with the old prize rate (it's yet to be updated), the median return for a £50k holding is £500 i.e. 1.00% . That will now be less, and given that the highest value prizes are maintained it also won't just be 0.90%, but even lower. At a guess, perhaps 0.8% p.a. Compare this to the leading 90d notice account at 1.65% (Investec (FSCS)) or 1 year fix (Atom 1.65%) , and you're lagging by about 0.85% or fully half of your possible return. Yes, admittedly, you're missing out on a "lottery ticket" by doing so, but it's an expensive one, and I'd much rather have a return on my savings that gets at least close to inflation personally. (I acknowledge that for higher rate taxpayers with £500+ annual interest already the maths is a little different). edit: I don't think Atom's 2-year fix at 1.8% will last much longer, that's what I'm goin' for.
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