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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 18:27:03 GMT
Hands up if you clean your own car What do you mean clean. I don't make it dirty
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Post by adrianc on Feb 25, 2020 18:32:34 GMT
Umm, hardly. The process for settlement was... they move here. Full stop, end of. That was it. Now it's the same as for everybody from everywhere else in the world. And that, let's not forget, is a deliberate "hostile environment" - which the Home Office are actually proud of. And let's not forget that nationals of the other 30 countries within the EU/EEA freedom of movement only lost one place they could move to freely. UK nationals lost 29. If you're really trying to claim EU workers weren't voted out, then I presume you're suggesting that migration was totally and utterly irrelevant to the referendum result...? If more than 7.5% of leave voters decided based on it, then it changed the result. Simple. They only did so for a week or two per year. Now we've got used to them being available 52 weeks per year. We actually discovered we quite like food with flavour and nutritious value, instead of bland grey slop. Who knew? And clearly you've forgotten just how badly the UK was doing in the late 60s and early 70s, before joining the EC helped us scrape ourselves off the floor. But, it seems, we liked it there... Coming soon - a return to the "Sick man of Europe", devaluation of the pound, three day week... Oh dear.. there is so much wrong with that response that I don't know where to start. But to be honest, I really can't be bothered anyway. Maybe another time. No, please feel free... I suspect the main fault from your PoV is actually inconvenient reality.
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Post by lara on Feb 25, 2020 23:15:06 GMT
Umm, hardly. The process for settlement was... they move here. Full stop, end of. That was it. Nope. Moving to the UK does not convey settled status. It didn't before Brexit and it does not now. The hostile environment pertains to illegal immigration. There is nothing illegal about an EU citizen moving to the UK No. Not suggesting that at all. Immigration was a huge factor. But that wasn't the point that I was making and you are probably aware of that.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 25, 2020 23:35:54 GMT
Nope. Moving to the UK does not convey settled status. It didn't before Brexit and it does not now. Because there wasn't such a thing. It simply wasn't needed. "Settled status" is something that's only been invented as a brexit fudge. researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-8584And it's a long way from simple to get, with a lot of very, very settled people being rejected. I'm quite glad my Swedish mother-in-law is no longer, because she'd probably not have sufficient paperwork, despite having moved here - newly married to a British man who she met on holiday in Norway - in 1960. When she first arrived, she had to register at the police station fortnightly. Her daughter is a UK national, not dual national. It wasn't needed, after all... Sweden requires somebody to live there for five years (obviously, assuming she and I qualified for the requisite visa...) before applying for Swedish nationality - parental nationality counts for naught for over 18s. No, not just that. It affects everybody without ILR, even if here on perfectly good shorter-term visas - as well as being deliberately intended to deter people from actually wanting to come here in the first place. There most certainly will be from the end of the year, unless they have the right visa. Great. So we're in agreement that EU workers were most definitely voted out.
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 26, 2020 0:48:22 GMT
Re the Great Strawberry Dilemma of 2020, I'm old enough to remember the time before we joined the Common Market. Somehow we managed to survive - and occasionally enjoy good strawberries - before the army of EU waitresses, fruit pickers, plumbers and decorators came to our rescue and (apparently, from some of the posts above) bailed out the UK economy. However did our renowned Somerset, Kent, Perthshire strawberries make it into our shops pre-EU? Simple. They only did so for a week or two per year. Now we've got used to them being available 52 weeks per year. We actually discovered we quite like food with flavour and nutritious value, instead of bland grey slop. Who knew? And clearly you've forgotten just how badly the UK was doing in the late 60s and early 70s, before joining the EC helped us scrape ourselves off the floor. But, it seems, we liked it there... Coming soon - a return to the "Sick man of Europe", devaluation of the pound, three day week... 1960s/70s, my siblings & I grew up on a council estate and were no strangers to deprivation, yet our mother managed to serve up more nutritious, healthier food than today's average kids get. We enjoyed fresh and simple food, far less processed... and obesity was totally unheard of. Yes, fresh strawberries were a treat, but "bland grey slop" is not something I recognise. I certainly haven't forgotten the constant strikes at the drop of a hat, leading to the "sick man of Europe" epithet, the three day week and the Winter of Discontent, but I believe a certain Mrs Thatcher takes far more credit for tackling that lot than anything the EC ever did for us.
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Post by starfished on Feb 26, 2020 10:33:37 GMT
1960s/70s, my siblings & I grew up on a council estate and were no strangers to deprivation, yet our mother managed to serve up more nutritious, healthier food than today's average kids get. We enjoyed fresh and simple food, far less processed... and obesity was totally unheard of. Yes, fresh strawberries were a treat, but "bland grey slop" is not something I recognise. I certainly haven't forgotten the constant strikes at the drop of a hat, leading to the "sick man of Europe" epithet, the three day week and the Winter of Discontent, but I believe a certain Mrs Thatcher takes far more credit for tackling that lot than anything the EC ever did for us. Purely curious, did your mother work full time? Lives now are built on two earning adults which has caused damage in a number of different areas. Even if we wanted to go back (which I don't, as I met many women who resented their limited options), not sure we could entirely. The country has voted to be poorer. Unlike some, I think it was a deliberate decision. Being richer and having more options (collectively) has also had a societal cost. Intersting times ahead.
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 26, 2020 11:41:05 GMT
1960s/70s, my siblings & I grew up on a council estate and were no strangers to deprivation, yet our mother managed to serve up more nutritious, healthier food than today's average kids get. We enjoyed fresh and simple food, far less processed... and obesity was totally unheard of. Yes, fresh strawberries were a treat, but "bland grey slop" is not something I recognise. I certainly haven't forgotten the constant strikes at the drop of a hat, leading to the "sick man of Europe" epithet, the three day week and the Winter of Discontent, but I believe a certain Mrs Thatcher takes far more credit for tackling that lot than anything the EC ever did for us. Purely curious, did your mother work full time? Lives now are built on two earning adults which has caused damage in a number of different areas. Even if we wanted to go back (which I don't, as I met many women who resented their limited options), not sure we could entirely. The country has voted to be poorer. Unlike some, I think it was a deliberate decision. Being richer and having more options (collectively) has also had a societal cost. Intersting times ahead. since people knew what they were voting for (so I hear) then it logically follows that they MUST have deliberately voted to be poorer.
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Post by bernythedolt on Feb 26, 2020 19:25:35 GMT
1960s/70s, my siblings & I grew up on a council estate and were no strangers to deprivation, yet our mother managed to serve up more nutritious, healthier food than today's average kids get. We enjoyed fresh and simple food, far less processed... and obesity was totally unheard of. Yes, fresh strawberries were a treat, but "bland grey slop" is not something I recognise. I certainly haven't forgotten the constant strikes at the drop of a hat, leading to the "sick man of Europe" epithet, the three day week and the Winter of Discontent, but I believe a certain Mrs Thatcher takes far more credit for tackling that lot than anything the EC ever did for us. Purely curious, did your mother work full time? Lives now are built on two earning adults which has caused damage in a number of different areas. Even if we wanted to go back (which I don't, as I met many women who resented their limited options), not sure we could entirely. The country has voted to be poorer. Unlike some, I think it was a deliberate decision. Being richer and having more options (collectively) has also had a societal cost. Intersting times ahead. No, dad was full time in low paid work, mum was mostly stay-at-home but occasionally took on morning or evening office cleaning to make ends meet. I remember one episode where her cleaning wage just covered the weekly loan repayments on the bicycle I needed to get to my grammar school two miles away. I was blessed with selfless, hardworking parents.
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Post by Godanubis on Feb 27, 2020 15:51:29 GMT
My father (not Seth LoL) Was a college lecturer and mum had part time shop job later on. I remember him going out most nights to night school to earn extra to keep the family. He got a 5 bedroom wreck house as wedding present. (Cost £50) By the early sixties got a wimpy house. We caravanned for holiday and Xmas was good second hand Meccano etc.. We had a reasonable standard due to my parents hard work. I haven’t worked for several years so supposedly am in the group of people who could get a job. I don’t show on the statistics as I’m not registered.
Those that can work and take benefits should work. Those that can work but care for others should be supported.
The Scottish government will introduce free bus transport for the under 18’s this should support apprenticeship places and students travelling to university or summer jobs.
I’m all for supporting those who try and sanctioning the lazy scrounges no matter what their citizenship.
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Post by keitha on Feb 27, 2020 15:58:28 GMT
My father (not Seth LoL) Was a college lecturer and mum had part time shop job later on. I remember him going out most nights to night school to earn extra to keep the family. He got a 5 bedroom wreck house as wedding present. (Cost £50) By the early sixties got a wimpy house. We caravanned for holiday and Xmas was good second hand Meccano etc.. We had a reasonable standard due to my parents hard work. I haven’t worked for several years so supposedly am in the group of people who could get a job. I don’t show on the statistics as I’m not registered. Those that can work and take benefits should work. Those that can work but care for others should be supported. The Scottish government will introduce free bus transport for the under 18’s this should support apprenticeship places and students travelling to university or summer jobs. I’m all for supporting those who try and sanctioning the lazy scrounges no matter what their citizenship. Too right, for many years after I divorced her my ex never worked nor did her partner, yet they over that time purchased replacement windows, furniture carpets etc. and both smoked like chimneys.
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Post by travolta on Feb 27, 2020 16:06:46 GMT
Parents should bring up their own children. Teach them to read before they start school and be responsible for them until they are able to earn their own lives. IF you cant afford to have them, we wont reverse the sterilisation opp. (Oh Brave New World that has such people in it ). Actually, (having spent half a lifetime suffering and repairing the results of others carcrash parenting) I'm all for it.
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Post by Godanubis on Feb 27, 2020 19:43:40 GMT
Parents should bring up their own children. Teach them to read before they start school and be responsible for them until they are able to earn their own lives. IF you cant afford to have them, we wont reverse the sterilisation opp. (Oh Brave New World that has such people in it ). Actually, (having spent half a lifetime suffering and repairing the results of others carcrash parenting) I'm all for it. Having been lucky to have worked since age of 16. I saw ALL of my colleagues make choices on having children based on what they could afford I shared a room as a child but nowadays people have children as their right and must have free accommodation with a room for each paid for by everyone else that is actually living within their means. Child benefits should only be allowed to be spent on articles and food for the children not on Sky subscriptions and fags of the irresponsible. This is not infringing on human rights it is being accountable to society for their gifts. Those that have been sensible should get extra support if they fall on hard times as they have proved their worth. Some people’s only contribution to society is to produce little benefits sponges that soak up public money and produce CO2. Because they are unemployed they then attend extinction rebellion rallies complaining about all the harm they themselves contribute disproportionately to by not contributing to the taxes required to pay for the implementation of technology reducing greenhouse gases.
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 29, 2020 15:29:50 GMT
My parents were not well off - my Dad was a teacher and my Mum part time teacher and then Oxfam volunteer. We never had anything new, always charity shop and whatever was being sold off at the supermarket. At a point in the 1970s my parents bought a fairly large house in Surrey on a big mortgage, and all the spare money went on paying that.
When my parents were old, they sold the house which they then owned outright. Bought for 76k, sold 800k. I asked my Dad what he thought about that. "It has made a mockery of my working life. I used to walk to save the bus fare" he said. Now I am inheriting this money, and I don't know how to spend it. I own practically nothing that was bought new, all from charity shops and Ebay. I like mending things. My car was 4k with heavy front end crash damage which I repaired. I could buy a flash car and big house but I'd feel like a tit, wouldn't suit my punk rock image at all. I don't have any children, so it's all going to charity causes and to buy land to return to nature. P2p is just a light hearted gamble to increase the pot.
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Post by michaelc on Feb 29, 2020 15:58:36 GMT
EU workers were not voted out. Those here already are able to stay and the process to settlement was actually made easier for them as a result of Brexit. Umm, hardly. The process for settlement was... they move here. Full stop, end of. That was it. Now it's the same as for everybody from everywhere else in the world. And that, let's not forget, is a deliberate "hostile environment" - which the Home Office are actually proud of. I think they needed to apply for an NI number if they wanted to work and also an NHS number to register with a GP both things that most people would need to do. I agree with you 100% on the hostile environment though. Terrible idea. It makes everyone untrusting and for many like landlords and recruitment agents it makes their life harder. I've always thought you should have very strict and very well enforced border policy but once someone is inside the country legally, that should be the end of their hassle (and everyone's elses who are supposed to implement this "hostile" policy). Even the bloody name of it is hardly going to set relations between neighbours off to a good start. DOes the home office actually want residents to be hostile to each other? Really bloody stupid. Similar bugbear is what is the point right now of the UK Visa system? People from all over the world apply to UK consulates, are screened and a decision is taken to issue a visa or not. If a visa is granted, once its owner arrives at the UK airport why do they get a barrage of "why are you coming here...what will you do.....where will you stay" etc etc. Surely, the job of border security/immigration at the border is to check that the visa is valid, the passport is valid and that both are owned by the person arriving. It is not to second guess why a visa was granted by UK staff in the original country in the first place. Those staff have a much better idea of what is going on in that country than at the UK airport where staff are dealing with people from all over the world. The consequence of this is to greatly increase friction (time and stress) of all travellers who now frequently have to queue longer whilst border force are diverted to ask pointless questions to new arrivals.
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Post by adrianc on Feb 29, 2020 16:08:54 GMT
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