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Post by drphil on Mar 23, 2020 20:26:13 GMT
It wasn't in the terms cached on 3/7/19:
If there is not enough money available on the platform to fund all drawdown requests and automated Rollovers (a ‘Liquidity Event’), and we are not able to rectify the position, we will give notice to borrowers that they need to repay in full. This would result in it taking longer than expected for your funds to be repaid as borrowers’ notice periods for full repayment range from three months to one year. If the Liquidity Event is remedied before the borrower repays in full, we will be entitled to resume normal operation of the platform.
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Post by lotus_eater on Mar 24, 2020 5:46:33 GMT
It wasn't in the terms cached on 3/7/19:
If there is not enough money available on the platform to fund all drawdown requests and automated Rollovers (a ‘Liquidity Event’), and we are not able to rectify the position, we will give notice to borrowers that they need to repay in full. This would result in it taking longer than expected for your funds to be repaid as borrowers’ notice periods for full repayment range from three months to one year. If the Liquidity Event is remedied before the borrower repays in full, we will be entitled to resume normal operation of the platform.
I thought so. Little bit different to what's in there now? Nothing about altering lenders reinvestment settings to "reinvest all" back then. Although to be fair that is a 8 months ago. I do check the T&C's every so often though, and I hadn't seen this in there until they used it. Probably 6 months or so since I checked them last time though. If they just added this part on Feb 19th and executed it March 16th, that is very naughty and could be seen as a bit underhanded. Didn't give investors time to withdraw capital if they didn't agree to the new T&C's. Let's hope they don't next week decide to add & execute the clause "if things get really bad, investors money will be used to motivate staff by buying them brand new M5 BMW's"
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Post by morriscat on Mar 24, 2020 16:08:29 GMT
On the positive side, Ratesetter indicated their drawdowns peaked on March 16th and have been in decline since.
And the Bank of England has been urged to channel millions of pounds through business P2P sites to fund SMEs directly. This happened prior with Funding Circle (spit) who lent 165m (!) via British Business Bank. This could liquify GS nicely.
I do agree about changing the dashboard at short notice. Startups & younger teams do have a habit of randomly or suddenly making changes you wouldn't expect from.. a high st bank for example, with a board of directors. However, GS are pretty professional people otherwise and we should let them get on with it. As for the 'switch off lending button' it reminds me of a Mark Twain quote:
"It Ain’t What You Don’t Know That Gets You Into Trouble. It’s What You Know - for Sure - That Just Ain’t So."
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Post by jlend on Mar 26, 2020 19:07:05 GMT
Dear Investor,
From everyone here at Growth Street, we hope you and your families are safe and well during this difficult time.
Firstly, we would like to thank all of our investors again for your continued support and patience. We recognise that there will be uncertainty, but we believe that being transparent and keeping our investors informed about developments is absolutely crucial.
Over the last seven days, we have received a number of questions from investors, and today we want to share the answers to some of the most common. We will focus on more details about the Liquidity Event, including why we made the decision to call it, what it means for you, and how our platform at Growth Street is different to other peer to peer companies.
How is our exchange different to other peer to peer companies?
During these adverse market conditions, you may have seen other peer to peer companies offering a queuing system for you to withdraw your investments. One such way is by offering a secondary market. Instead of building a secondary market (which is commonly associated with term-length loan exchanges), we built a unique product that offers benefits to both borrowers and investors, through a single, continuous exchange of multiple 30 day loans.
Our GrowthLine facility is made up of sequential 30 day loans which allows borrowers to access a revolving line of credit rather than a fixed-length lending product like a term loan or invoice finance. Borrowers are not required to repay their loan after each 30 day loan matures, instead, at the end of the 30 days, a new loan agreement is automatically generated, allowing borrowers to continue borrowing. When this happens, your investment is refinanced by another investor's money, allowing you to withdraw your investment and the principal interest earned (if you choose). If you have your reinvestment settings turned off, in normal market conditions, we register your intent to not reinvest at the end of your 30 day investments, rather than “queuing” withdrawal requests. Your funds are returned to your holding account when the 30 day period is up.
Why did we call a Liquidity Event?
During normal market conditions, an investor can withdraw their investment by switching off their reinvestment settings and waiting until the loan matures (up to 30 days). After maturity, our exchange will automatically match queued lend orders to refinance your outgoing investment, allowing for money to be transferred to your holding account, where it can be withdrawn from our platform.
In the last six weeks we have seen unprecedented adverse market conditions, which caused a spike in reinvestment settings being switched off and a drop in the number of lend orders. This activity resulted in a shortfall of sufficient liquidity on the exchange to refinance outgoing investments. We had a duty to step in and take control of the situation in order to continue serving the financial agreements we have with our borrowers. By doing so, we had to stop investments rolling off the exchange. This is called a Liquidity Event, which can last a maximum of 90 days.
The Liquidity Event was called as a direct result of heightened investor activity in response to COVID-19 and its impact on markets around the world. It was not a result of borrower performance. We are actively monitoring our borrowers and remain confident of the performance of our loan book. We will keep you updated on our portfolio assessments throughout the liquidity event.
What does this mean for you?
Any funds in your holding account at the time the Liquidity Event were and still are available to withdraw Your reinvestment settings are set to automatically reinvest principal and interest and cannot be altered You can no longer cancel any outstanding lend orders New investments have been suspended Existing investments will continue to accrue interest By making these updates we can ensure that the exchange maintains sufficient liquidity for the loans reaching their 30 day term to be refinanced, either through unmatched lend orders or using the same funds.
Is Growth Street writing new loans?
A number of you have asked if we are writing new business. We want to confirm that Growth Street is NOT accepting any new borrowers on the platform at this time and we are NOT writing loans for new borrowers.
The exchange works on a continuous cycle of 30 day loans; even if a borrower has not drawn down more capital within their facility limits, investor funds on the exchange will be placed into ‘new’ 30 day loans with existing borrowers. Whilst borrowers use their revolving credit facility they are not required to make full capital repayments each time their outstanding 30 day loans reach maturity. Therefore, new loans must be generated to replace them. It is these newly generated loans that your funds are being re-invested into.
What happens if the Liquidity Event is not resolved?
If there continued to be insufficient funds to refinance investors, then investments could remain locked in. Therefore, if the Liquidity Event is not resolved at the end of 90 days, all of our borrowers will be asked to make repayments of both capital and interest, in order to finance investor withdrawals. This is called a Resolution Event. In that event, we work to return all capital and interest to investors as quickly as possible while maximising your return. However, you may not get back your entire investment, which also includes any interest earned. More information about a Resolution Event can be found in the Investor Terms on our website.
Finally, we appreciate the support that you have shown during this difficult period. We value your input and we will endeavour to work toward a solution for the situation we find ourselves in as a result of COVID-19.
Kind regards, Kim Goetzke, Chief Operating Officer
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 26, 2020 20:38:46 GMT
It seems unfortunate that due to a one off global event that will last more than 90 days the platform is indicating that it will likely be forced to demand all borrowers repay their loans via the resolution event.
This seems to me crazy for both borrowers and lenders, and is absolutely not why I became involved with p2p, which in part is to support UK business.
I really hope Growth Street have the flexibility to show more compassion for their customers at this difficult time. Many borrowers will be able to resume trade successfully once this is over, but withdrawing their credit lines will for many be the last straw.
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 26, 2020 20:49:42 GMT
It seems unfortunate that due to a one off global event that will last more than 90 days the platform is indicating that it will likely be forced to demand all borrowers repay their loans via the resolution event.
This seems to me crazy for both borrowers and lenders, and is absolutely not why I became involved with p2p, which in part is to support UK business.
I really hope Growth Street have the flexibility to show more compassion for their customers at this difficult time. Many borrowers will be able to resume trade successfully once this is over, but withdrawing their credit lines will for many be the last straw.
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong.
I would agree When I first read the email I was surprised it didn't contain some additional contingency thinking. Since then I had considered maybe setting out such a stark outcome early would give people time to reflect, then when a compromise solution was offered it would be more warmly received. Hopefully I am not overestimating them. Not sure they contribute here at all? Maybe an invite should be extended.
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Post by corto on Mar 26, 2020 20:52:35 GMT
Not quite sure, I get what they mean. The core info seems to be:
"even if a borrower has not drawn down more capital within their facility limits, investor funds on the exchange will be placed into ‘new’ 30 day loans with existing borrowers."
Reads like they have more beaks to fill than they have worms. That they struggle to satisfy the "facility limits"
"Whilst borrowers use their revolving credit facility they are not required to make full capital repayments each time their outstanding 30 day loans reach maturity. Therefore, new loans must be generated to replace them. It is these newly generated loans that your funds are being re-invested into."
Reads like they lend (more) to borrowers that don't pay back, according to some "facility limits". I was under the impression the contracts (between lenders and borrowers) get just renewed every 30 days.
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Post by Ace on Mar 26, 2020 21:09:40 GMT
It seems unfortunate that due to a one off global event that will last more than 90 days the platform is indicating that it will likely be forced to demand all borrowers repay their loans via the resolution event.
This seems to me crazy for both borrowers and lenders, and is absolutely not why I became involved with p2p, which in part is to support UK business.
I really hope Growth Street have the flexibility to show more compassion for their customers at this difficult time. Many borrowers will be able to resume trade successfully once this is over, but withdrawing their credit lines will for many be the last straw.
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong.
I would agree When I first read the email I was surprised it didn't contain some additional contingency thinking. Since then I had considered maybe setting out such a stark outcome early would give people time to reflect, then when a compromise solution was offered it would be more warmly received. Hopefully I am not overestimating them. Not sure they contribute here at all? Maybe an invite should be extended. I think they do have some scope to continue lending during the resolution event. Here is a section from their Ts&Cs (my bold): "6.7. GSP is free to use funds held in the LLP and/or funds collected from borrowers during a Resolution Event to fund expenses or other payments which it reasonably believes will maximise the probability of borrower repayment, whilst also ensuring borrowers continue to be treated fairly during the collect out process. For example, funds held are likely to be used to fund recovery action against defaulted borrowers and may also be used to fund new drawdown requests if it is determined that a failure to fund the request will materially impact the borrower’s ability to (1) continue trading, (2) repay their facility, or (3) re-finance." Presumably they can keep lending under this clause until the borrower can obtain alternative finance, but it's fairly clear that once a resolution event is triggered the platform is in terminal wind down. I guess they would be free to restart with new funds, but it would be a hard task to raise those funds following a failure, even if all funds were recovered, which seems very unlikely.
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Post by alender on Mar 26, 2020 21:10:00 GMT
This will be a very unfortunate situation with no winners, however I cannot see lenders accepting a indefinite lock in without any payments. If GS could make interest payments and repayments of capital where the borrower does not take up the drawn down in the next cycle investors would have more reason to stick with GS. However there could be dangers with this approach as some borrowers may be in a position to pay back the loans in 90 days but struggle later as the economy goes down and at some point taxes go up to pay for all the government borrowing. For the foreseeable future it will be virtually impossible to access the risks when lending money, even if the borrower looks good their assets may drop in value and their debtors go bankrupt. This is why the banks are not taking on new borrowers. A very difficult decision.
This decision may well be forced on GS by the people Funding GS who have already taken the 2 bad loans on their books.
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Post by df on Mar 26, 2020 21:13:03 GMT
It seems unfortunate that due to a one off global event that will last more than 90 days the platform is indicating that it will likely be forced to demand all borrowers repay their loans via the resolution event.
This seems to me crazy for both borrowers and lenders, and is absolutely not why I became involved with p2p, which in part is to support UK business.
I really hope Growth Street have the flexibility to show more compassion for their customers at this difficult time. Many borrowers will be able to resume trade successfully once this is over, but withdrawing their credit lines will for many be the last straw.
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong. Could it be meant that they will follow the formal procedure as per their T&C and then will be dealing with borrowers case by case??? But, yes, it does sound harsh considering current situation. Every other platform I'm in had a very different tone in their communications with regards to borrowers. It also reads to me as a wind down notice, but I might be wrong.
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Post by star dust on Mar 26, 2020 21:16:23 GMT
It seems unfortunate that due to a one off global event that will last more than 90 days the platform is indicating that it will likely be forced to demand all borrowers repay their loans via the resolution event.
This seems to me crazy for both borrowers and lenders, and is absolutely not why I became involved with p2p, which in part is to support UK business.
I really hope Growth Street have the flexibility to show more compassion for their customers at this difficult time. Many borrowers will be able to resume trade successfully once this is over, but withdrawing their credit lines will for many be the last straw.
Please tell me I'm reading this wrong.
I would agree When I first read the email I was surprised it didn't contain some additional contingency thinking. Since then I had considered maybe setting out such a stark outcome early would give people time to reflect, then when a compromise solution was offered it would be more warmly received. Hopefully I am not overestimating them. Not sure they contribute here at all? Maybe an invite should be extended. There are actually 11 Growth Street representatives with accounts on the forum. The majority have never posted, and the main poster JamesGrowthStreet hasn't logged in for three years, so possibly doesn't even work there now. Joanna-Growth Street and markejwilliams have both logged in this year, but neither have ever posted. I don't invest here or know anything about the platform, if you know of someone else perhaps suggest they join?
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Post by nesako on Mar 26, 2020 21:27:04 GMT
What I cannot understand from the update is how do they even expect liquidity to improve when investors are no longer allowed to add any new funds. Stopping new lending - makes sense. Not allowing more money on the platform - this is not helping. I am referring to “what does this mean for you” point 4 (New investments have been suspended)
So seems like we have some tough times ahead as resolution event looks imminent. I really hoped they will pull something out of the hat - deals they have with Starling bank etc. were really promising for the GS future, but seems like we will be in a wind down in 3 months time...
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Post by chris1200 on Mar 27, 2020 12:27:49 GMT
What I cannot understand from the update is how do they even expect liquidity to improve when investors are no longer allowed to add any new funds. Stopping new lending - makes sense. Not allowing more money on the platform - this is not helping. I am referring to “what does this mean for you” point 4 (New investments have been suspended) So seems like we have some tough times ahead as resolution event looks imminent. I really hoped they will pull something out of the hat - deals they have with Starling bank etc. were really promising for the GS future, but seems like we will be in a wind down in 3 months time... Agree with this, but my assumption is that there are some significant legal issues with soliciting investment onto a platform that has been frozen in this way. At the very least, they would probably need a whole new set of T&C and that's even if regulations would allow this anyway (I'm not sure on this point). That's also assuming anyone would even want to invest now, understanding all the facts. They'd surely need a significantly higher interest rate to take the risk. The only solution I can think of is to try to scale down lending where possible (many businesses should have access to government-backed lending on v favourable terms which could take over from Growth Street financing), and then once there's some liquidity open up the platform again but with a queued process for withdrawals based on money coming onto the platform (as other platforms are employing), so as to avoid a rush to exit and the same thing happening again.
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Post by garreh on Mar 27, 2020 17:05:43 GMT
Like everyone here I too am concerned with the communications from Growth Street which seem to indicate they are working towards a Resolution Event. I sincerely hope this is not the case and they instead have alternative plans. I'm posting the email I sent to them which is yet to receive a reply - will let you know if I do receive anything.
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Hello Growth Street
I am concerned about the recent communications you have sent to investors in regards to the Liquidity Event:
1. You have not provided any feasible alternatives or areas of exploration to avoid a Resolution Event. This is concerning because your messages seem to convey you are working towards the assumption that a Resolution Event will be called - this is not in the interest of anyone and should be a last resort.
2. 90 days or collapse. The Liquidity Event lasts for 90 days and if not resolved will then enter a Resolution Event. This timescale seems wholly unfeasible given the current financial climate due to Covid-19. I would expect markets to take longer to gain investor confidence than 3 months. What measures are you actively exploring to realistically work towards this timeframe?
3. Complete lock of capital, interest and bonuses. In comparison to how other P2P platforms are handling this situation - the majority are allowing withdrawals (Ratesetter, Assetz Capital, etc) however they are doing so at a slower rate and in a priority based queue. Your approach is a complete lockdown of money on your platform which further reduces investor confidence. Could you elaborate on specifically why you have taken this different approach as compared to other P2P platforms. Also have you considered your platform was designed and marketed on the basis of providing near-instant access within 30 days to funds – will this have a long-term impact through limited investor confidence in your platform moving forwards?
I have some suggestions in regards these concerns:
1. Provide more transparent communication on areas you are exploring to solve the liquidity issue. Is this through new funding, if so how? Incentives? Improving investor confidence, if so through what measures?
2. This for me is the most concerning one. You have essentially put a ticking time bomb on yourself to resolve this in 90 days which simply doesn't look feasible. You need to consider an extension of the Liquidity Event, possibly up to a year to allow markets to stabilise and investor confidence to return, in addition to the below:
3. This can be resolved by allowing withdrawals but in a CONTROLLED manner - e.g. you allow investors to withdraw a maximum of 5% of their capital and/or interest per month for their portfolio. This provides you with time for you to find alternative funding and have a projection of the worst case scenario. More analytics and predictability = a better outcome for all. You could also offer incentives for investors to stay e.g. by increasing interest rates, bonuses, cashback, etc. These could be long-term bonuses (to keep money on the platform) e.g. “a retention scheme bonus” payable in one year if you keep money on the platform.
In addition to the above, you should also be exploring:
* Reducing the loanbook size by talking to companies and seeing if they are able to make use of government-backed loans rather than through Growth Street. This in turn will improve the liquidity issue.
* Government backing for P2P platforms. You are now FCA regulated which means you should be seeking support from the government. There are established schemes run by the BoE that pump liquidity into the system in the event of these situations.
I'm sure you have other ideas but my overall message here I want to get across is:
* Do not default to a Resolution Event. Avoid at all costs.
* Seek alternative ways, ideas, new systems, methods, etc.
* Open up withdrawals gradually and in a controlled, predictable manner.
* More transparent communication about how you are looking to resolve this.
Many thanks
Gary
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Mar 27, 2020 17:24:22 GMT
I suspect they have had a lot of contact.
I tend to keep my emails and Messages on here as confidential, people are more open that way. Not a criticism just my own position.
I am aware that they do monitor this platform and this thread, given that is the case there is some logic to raising issues here (whilst any direct response is unlikely at this point). There is then a good chance that they would address some of them in future contact. There is little point in all their time being spent individually responding to the same points.
The tone of the last email would seem to me to be different to their intentions hopefully they will clarify a little at some point.
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