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Post by elsee on Mar 30, 2020 13:53:00 GMT
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Post by brightspark on Mar 30, 2020 15:27:54 GMT
So if after 2 years they have been unable to completely reconcile the records of lenders and loans what is going to happen I wonder? How long is it reasonable to hold onto this money. How much shuffling of feet and not looking anyone in the eye do lenders have to endure. The Administrators have a pretty fair idea of what is owed to whom. An initial distribution would be in order.
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Post by duck on Mar 30, 2020 17:00:06 GMT
Well done for spotting these answers elsee (keep your eyes peeled for some more) As regular readers of my Col posts will know Lord Myners has been very good in asking questions on behalf of Col investors. Unfortunately he has run up against the same brick walls built by the FCA and the Treasury as we as a group have. We will just keep chipping away ......
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Post by agent69 on Mar 30, 2020 17:38:21 GMT
Nice to see that the investigation is (was) going well.
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Post by averageguy on Mar 30, 2020 20:40:21 GMT
So if after 2 years they have been unable to completely reconcile the records of lenders and loans what is going to happen I wonder? How long is it reasonable to hold onto this money. How much shuffling of feet and not looking anyone in the eye do lenders have to endure. The Administrators have a pretty fair idea of what is owed to whom. An initial distribution would be in order. That letter was dated last August ,,,,,we were told from the last creditors meeting they would send out a breakdown of each persons loans when feasible....ye and their are fairies at the bottom of the garden...load of tosh
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Post by tx on Apr 1, 2020 12:59:29 GMT
Hi, what bearing would the answers have?
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Post by duck on Apr 1, 2020 15:14:59 GMT
Hi, what bearing would the answers have? A good question that has several answers to it. If the answers said 'yes we made serious mistakes, hands up, ex gratia payments will be made' that would be wonderful .......... but we all know that won't happen. Whilst Lord Myners received the same responses that I and others have received the difference is that it was Lord Myners asking the questions not a 'dancing duck'. Whilst I and the 'lings' may have been a thorn in the side of the FCA for the past 2 years we are just 'members of the public' and carry little weight in the big scheme of things. Don't ask me how I know but interventions such as those by Lord Myners and MPs are being recorded at the FCA. If the FCA didn't place importance in their interventions they would not be recording the interventions. As this thread shows the questions and responses are now preserved in Parliamentary history and are open for all to see. The questions contain detail that is contained on FOIs that the FCA have not yet (and probably won't) publish on their disclosure log. This has proved to be an effective cap on me publishing everything I know openly here .... but letters between constituents and their MPs are a different matter.
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Post by tommytaylor on Apr 2, 2020 15:47:52 GMT
Hi Duck
Keep up the good work mate.
I just wanted to ask a question regarding one of your quotes from the posting you made yesterday
If the answers said 'yes we made serious mistakes, hands up, ex gratia payments will be made' that would be wonderful .......... but we all know that won't happen.
I am a little confused with the last part of the above statement you made.
You claimed that ex gratia payments from the FCA will not happen but i was led to believe that this is what yourself and everyone else involved with this movement was what we where striding for. If at the end of the day we are never likely to see any ex gratia payments from the FCA after BDO have scraped the barrel then what is the purpose of all of this. I might have read it all completley wrong so i apologise in advance if i have.
Thanks
Tony
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Post by duck on Apr 3, 2020 4:23:12 GMT
.... If the answers said 'yes we made serious mistakes, hands up, ex gratia payments will be made' that would be wonderful .......... but we all know that won't happen. I am a little confused with the last part of the above statement you made. You claimed that ex gratia payments from the FCA will not happen but i was led to believe that this is what yourself and everyone else involved with this movement was what we where striding for. If at the end of the day we are never likely to see any ex gratia payments from the FCA after BDO have scraped the barrel then what is the purpose of all of this. I might have read it all completley wrong so i apologise in advance if i have..... Sorry for the misunderstanding, yes you have read my comment in a way that I didn't intend. The point I was making is that it would have been wonderful if the FCA had said to Lord Myners ' yes we made serious mistakes, hands up, ex gratia payments will be made' ....... but we know an admission such as that will never be forthcoming from the FCA. The aim since day one has been (and remains) ex gratia payments from the FCA for their failures. The fact that two years of digging has strengthened investors positions just means more of a headache for the FCA. Initially the problem appeared to be simply an incorrect entry on the IP register .....then it transpired that the FCA allowed millions to be invested even when they knew Col was trading without permissions (failing in their basic duty of protecting the public) ..... then that basic checks were not made when Col made their Part 4A application (Col should not have been allowed to trade, investors should never have seen the site). The list goes on. Even with this weight of 'evidence of failure' against them the FCA will not 'put their hands up', the process will continue to the bitter end. In cases such as this the process will involve the Complaints Commissioner but his adjudication cannot take place until the earlier parts of the process have been completed. In this case the FCAs investigation (and possibly any Court cases) are putting on hold the Complaints Commissioners intervention. Frustrating though it may be I do respect the need for the FCA to investigate Col (and their interactions with Col directors and advisers), what the outcome will be I have no idea (have my suspicions), only time will tell. That said we have been very careful to ensure that when identifying FCA failures the failure cannot be tempered/influenced by the outcome of the investigation. For example the IP register entry that we saw could be said to be the result of 'criminal activity' (debatable) but that is not the FCAs failure, their failure was setting up their systems to allow changes to be made without anticipating that somebody might decide to exploit this weakness. With the Part 4A application the applications were not subject to basic checks, they were accepted on trust. It is entirely predictable that this weakness in the system would be exploited but the FCA did not anticipate this. This is their failure. As the two examples above show, the failures rest with the FCA and are of their making. The investigation may show (among many things) how the system was exploited (it was very easy to do) but it was the FCA who enabled all of this to take place. Never forget that one of the FCAs core purposes (laid down by Parliament) is the 'protect consumers', in the case of Col the FCAs processes (and judgement at times) failed spectacularly to fulfill this requirement.
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Post by tommytaylor on Apr 3, 2020 7:48:36 GMT
.... If the answers said 'yes we made serious mistakes, hands up, ex gratia payments will be made' that would be wonderful .......... but we all know that won't happen. I am a little confused with the last part of the above statement you made. You claimed that ex gratia payments from the FCA will not happen but i was led to believe that this is what yourself and everyone else involved with this movement was what we where striding for. If at the end of the day we are never likely to see any ex gratia payments from the FCA after BDO have scraped the barrel then what is the purpose of all of this. I might have read it all completley wrong so i apologise in advance if i have..... Sorry for the misunderstanding, yes you have read my comment in a way that I didn't intend. The point I was making is that it would have been wonderful if the FCA had said to Lord Myners ' yes we made serious mistakes, hands up, ex gratia payments will be made' ....... but we know an admission such as that will never be forthcoming from the FCA. The aim since day one has been (and remains) ex gratia payments from the FCA for their failures. The fact that two years of digging has strengthened investors positions just means more of a headache for the FCA. Initially the problem appeared to be simply an incorrect entry on the IP register .....then it transpired that the FCA allowed millions to be invested even when they knew Col was trading without permissions (failing in their basic duty of protecting the public) ..... then that basic checks were not made when Col made their Part 4A application (Col should not have been allowed to trade, investors should never have seen the site). The list goes on. Even with this weight of 'evidence of failure' against them the FCA will not 'put their hands up', the process will continue to the bitter end. In cases such as this the process will involve the Complaints Commissioner but his adjudication cannot take place until the earlier parts of the process have been completed. In this case the FCAs investigation (and possibly any Court cases) are putting on hold the Complaints Commissioners intervention. Frustrating though it may be I do respect the need for the FCA to investigate Col (and their interactions with Col directors and advisers), what the outcome will be I have no idea (have my suspicions), only time will tell. That said we have been very careful to ensure that when identifying FCA failures the failure cannot be tempered/influenced by the outcome of the investigation. For example the IP register entry that we saw could be said to be the result of 'criminal activity' (debatable) but that is not the FCAs failure, their failure was setting up their systems to allow changes to be made without anticipating that somebody might decide to exploit this weakness. With the Part 4A application the applications were not subject to basic checks, they were accepted on trust. It is entirely predictable that this weakness in the system would be exploited but the FCA did not anticipate this. This is their failure. As the two examples above show, the failures rest with the FCA and are of their making. The investigation may show (among many things) how the system was exploited (it was very easy to do) but it was the FCA who enabled all of this to take place. Never forget that one of the FCAs core purposes (laid down by Parliament) is the 'protect consumers', in the case of Col the FCAs processes (and judgement at times) failed spectacularly to fulfill this requirement. Yes i fully understand now duck. So we are still on track. Thanks for all the hard work Tony
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Post by waryinvestor on May 24, 2020 22:28:44 GMT
Hmm, interesting to note that a Firm could change its details (including its Name) in the IP Register of FCA. Effectively, a Firm could transfer/sell its Registration to a completely new Firm without FCA's knowledge/agreement. It took almost 2 years for them to spot this change and a further 2 months to decide what to do. And they still didn't think of securing the data (electronic records) for another month or contact the SFO or Police, although they were concerned about a disorderly Collapse. What a way to Protect the Consumers :-(
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Post by duck on May 26, 2020 5:37:21 GMT
....Bailey said I could trust their register!!! They had "checked the company out"!!! His EXACT words!!!! Theres video evidence of him saying this!!! .... Actually Mark Steward Head of Enforcement, Andrew Bailey was never so explicit in any of his statements, a man very skilled in the use of language.
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Post by 11025 on May 26, 2020 9:23:14 GMT
....Bailey said I could trust their register!!! They had "checked the company out"!!! His EXACT words!!!! Theres video evidence of him saying this!!! .... Actually Mark Steward Head of Enforcement, Andrew Bailey was never so explicit in any of his statements, a man very skilled in the use of language. www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAAmts-TdGg&t=11m46s
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