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Post by one21 on Apr 2, 2020 11:38:06 GMT
I've been a member of this forum for many years, but I never dreamt in my wildest dreams that it would ever descend to "seriously" discussing this great pile of old TOSH You must have your settings on Recently Udated Posts - unless you've book marked it haha.
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 2, 2020 11:41:58 GMT
[…] What we can say as a logical fact is that, of the numerous contradictory religions, at most only one of them can be right. How true, and so often overlooked. They each think THEY are the one and only source of truth and everyone else is misguided or plain wrong. None of them consider themselves evil, but often see it in others. Some Christians despise Muslims, some Muslims despise Christians & Jews... The different deities must find this amusing, or at least bemusing.
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Post by one21 on Apr 2, 2020 12:00:16 GMT
[…] What we can say as a logical fact is that, of the numerous contradictory religions, at most only one of them can be right. How true, and so often overlooked. They each think THEY are the one and only source of truth and everyone else is misguided or plain wrong. None of them consider themselves evil, but often see it in others. Some Christians despise Muslims, some Muslims despise Christians & Jews... The different deities must find this amusing, or at least bemusing. I think with Christianity it’s more of a feeling you get which is difficult to put into words. It certainly made a better person out of me compared with how I use to be, I suppose each have their own relationship and level of dedication. Don’t forget there are many in society with a type of mental illness which makes them devoid of conscience and moral responsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 12:14:32 GMT
Nah, old testament, new testament. Hence, I can believe in God but no I don't trust (or believe in) churches. BTW I think the title should end.... believe in Him? As a capital is required for a god God.
On the latter - I did think about that! In fact it's a relatively recent convention to capitalise the pronoun for God, I don't know how important it is (probably not very), I hope it's not offensive to anyone. A little research suggests that Him was the norm for a few thousand years but it is now (last 20) fashionable to write about "him". I guess God becoming man. :-)
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 2, 2020 13:58:21 GMT
How true, and so often overlooked. They each think THEY are the one and only source of truth and everyone else is misguided or plain wrong. None of them consider themselves evil, but often see it in others. Some Christians despise Muslims, some Muslims despise Christians & Jews... The different deities must find this amusing, or at least bemusing. I think with Christianity it’s more of a feeling you get which is difficult to put into words. It certainly made a better person out of me compared with how I use to be, I suppose each have their own relationship and level of dedication. Don’t forget there are many in society with a type of mental illness which makes them devoid of conscience and moral responsibility. It's good that it offers you and others comfort and long may it be so. A moral creed to live by is a good thing. Albania is an interesting study - they barred religion, which, as I understand it, led to a pretty selfish society and sizeable criminal underclass by all accounts. No question that religion has its place to keep people in line. It's when the word 'logic' is brought into proceedings that I begin to have difficulty.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 11:50:21 GMT
Albania has had "clan warfare" for many generations, long before Marx sat down in the London reading room. Blaming the formal removal of religion from that country for their behaviour is, well just crazy.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 3, 2020 12:19:50 GMT
Albania
'According to the 2011 census, 56.7 per cent of the country’s citizens consider themselves to be Muslim, 10.03 per cent are Catholic, 6.75 per cent are Orthodox and 2.09 per cent are Bektashi.
A total of 13.79 per cent declined to say whether or not they followed any particular faith, but only 2.5 per cent declared that they were atheists.'
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Post by one21 on Apr 3, 2020 14:00:14 GMT
I think with Christianity it’s more of a feeling you get which is difficult to put into words. It certainly made a better person out of me compared with how I use to be, I suppose each have their own relationship and level of dedication. Don’t forget there are many in society with a type of mental illness which makes them devoid of conscience and moral responsibility. It's good that it offers you and others comfort and long may it be so. A moral creed to live by is a good thing. Albania is an interesting study - they barred religion, which, as I understand it, led to a pretty selfish society and sizeable criminal underclass by all accounts. No question that religion has its place to keep people in line. It's when the word 'logic' is brought into proceedings that I begin to have difficulty. Well thanks, but its more than that, it’s also a set of ideals we would wish the world to live by ” .....on earth as it is in heaven......” - no more sickness, crime, greed, poverty, etc. I’ve heard there’s a place in the Scottish Highlands where neighbours can leave their doors unlocked without fear of robbery and they rally round to help each other when the need arises. I think most people in there right mind would want to live in a society such as this!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 15:55:54 GMT
They leave their doors unlocked in the Azores, but drop a bolt across to keep the wind out. :-)
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 3, 2020 18:17:49 GMT
Albania has had "clan warfare" for many generations, long before Marx sat down in the London reading room. Blaming the formal removal of religion from that country for their behaviour is, well just crazy. Fair enough, I was fooled by reading little snippets like “In the 1990s, religious aids were sent to Albania as an antidote to the crime waves” ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Albania ) which might imply that the 23 year total ban on religion (1967-90) had played some part in fostering crime. They are the least religious country in Europe and seem to have one of the worst records for crime – I cannot prove it, but suspect the two aren’t entirely unrelated. In the UK we get schooled in Christian principles from an early age, which by and large tend to keep us on the straight & narrow. In the absence of such moral instruction, is it crazy to think our crime rate might increase?
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 3, 2020 18:19:10 GMT
Albania 'According to the 2011 census, 56.7 per cent of the country’s citizens consider themselves to be Muslim, 10.03 per cent are Catholic, 6.75 per cent are Orthodox and 2.09 per cent are Bektashi. A total of 13.79 per cent declined to say whether or not they followed any particular faith, but only 2.5 per cent declared that they were atheists.' Things changed after they lifted the outright ban on religion in 1990.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 8:41:12 GMT
Albania 'According to the 2011 census, 56.7 per cent of the country’s citizens consider themselves to be Muslim, 10.03 per cent are Catholic, 6.75 per cent are Orthodox and 2.09 per cent are Bektashi. A total of 13.79 per cent declined to say whether or not they followed any particular faith, but only 2.5 per cent declared that they were atheists.' Things changed after they lifted the outright ban on religion in 1990. Using wiki for research is not really the right way around. Wiki is more the accumulation of both prejudice and reality. Not a bad place to garner some basic numbers but don't treat as a true research source.
Luckily I went to a non-religious school and had athiest parents, no education received thanks and yet.... I behave pretty well. I suspect you are confusing "mores" and religious pressure.
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Post by Godanubis on Apr 4, 2020 9:44:22 GMT
With Jesus being just the son of a woman who came up with a novel excuse to cover up her infidelity. He had a good publicist and a lot of people grasping at anything that offered a better life either now or in afterlife. ( I can assure you that part ain’t true ). i once had a conversation with a colleague from Sudan while in Saudi Arabia . This guy was in his forties and worked extremely hard to support his family in Sudan. He told me it was only by suffering in this world that he would be rewarded in the next. That is a good way to keep the poor in line. I however pointed out that the certainty of a next life was purely a faith issue and I personally would rather have best here and it would be a bonus if there were an afterlife. Give me a logical explanation from a faith point of view to justify Coronavirus? Why have a God that punishes humanity then insists you pray to them to fix what they introduced. A bit like mill owners paying you in coins you can only spend in the mill shop.
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 4, 2020 11:15:37 GMT
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 4, 2020 11:35:25 GMT
I haven't looked at 'proper' sources but I think the communists got chucked out in 1990 so everyone went back to doing what they wanted in terms of religion. By the number of people claiming to be religious in the census, It looks as if most people carried on with their beliefs during the communist rule, just not in public.
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