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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 12:20:25 GMT
I think mores begat mores, it's an historical thing, so that may be religion or it may even be shakespere or dare I say "don't tell him pike". Hence we get stuff that is just odd like stuff from Star Trek. It's not all religion if it were we would still be hanging murderers, keeping women in their place and not eating shellfish. Yes can see images of religion in mores but it is only one of the wells.
One of the most influential is the family, so as you learn how to eat and speak you learn your norms of behaviour.
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Post by Ace on Apr 4, 2020 12:29:26 GMT
I think mores begat mores, it's an historical thing, so that may be religion or it may even be shakespere or dare I say "don't tell him pike". Hence we get stuff that is just odd like stuff from Star Trek. It's not all religion if it were we would still be hanging murderers, keeping women in their place and not eating shellfish. Yes can see images of religion in mores but it is only one of the wells.
One of the most influential is the family, so as you learn how to eat and speak you learn your norms of behaviour.
Quite so, and on a deeper level morality evolved in humans simply because it benefited the human race. Which happened a very long time before religion started to have an influence.
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Post by bernythedolt on Apr 4, 2020 13:05:13 GMT
I think mores begat mores, it's an historical thing, so that may be religion or it may even be shakespere or dare I say "don't tell him pike". Hence we get stuff that is just odd like stuff from Star Trek. It's not all religion if it were we would still be hanging murderers, keeping women in their place and not eating shellfish. Yes can see images of religion in mores but it is only one of the wells.
One of the most influential is the family, so as you learn how to eat and speak you learn your norms of behaviour.
Quite so, and on a deeper level morality evolved in humans simply because it benefited the human race. Which happened a very long time before religion started to have an influence. At least you concede that religion might at least have some influence. I hypothesised whether the absence of religion, or rather the banning of religion for a few decades, might also have an influence, but in the opposite direction, and that Albania might be the best example to study. However, I acknowledge I'm out of my depth... and fast wishing I'd never heard of the country!
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 4, 2020 13:10:18 GMT
Quite so, and on a deeper level morality evolved in humans simply because it benefited the human race. Which happened a very long time before religion started to have an influence. At least you concede that religion might at least have some influence. I hypothesised whether the absence of religion, or rather the banning of religion for a few decades, might also have an influence, but in the opposite direction, and that Albania might be the best example to study. However, I acknowledge I'm out of my depth... and fast wishing I'd never heard of the country! Banning religions or specific religions doesn't get rid of them, they just go underground and often becomes stronger.
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Post by Ace on Apr 4, 2020 15:07:00 GMT
Quite so, and on a deeper level morality evolved in humans simply because it benefited the human race. Which happened a very long time before religion started to have an influence. At least you concede that religion might at least have some influence. I hypothesised whether the absence of religion, or rather the banning of religion for a few decades, might also have an influence, but in the opposite direction, and that Albania might be the best example to study. However, I acknowledge I'm out of my depth... and fast wishing I'd never heard of the country! There's no doubt they have some influence, both positive and negative. Just take ISIS, the crusades... for negative examples; the comfort that some take in the belief in an afterlife for a positive one. It's the balance that's debatable. We certainly don't need religion to tell us what's right or wrong, especially as they often get it wrong, leading to the extended persecution of certain groups of people. Personally I feel that the world would be a much better place without religion. An utterly futile proposition of course since it can't be uninvented. For a start the idea that "faith" is a virtue leads to belief in other pseudo scientific nonsense such as homeopathy, divination, etc. That should liven up the debate on an otherwise quiet Saturday afternoon. Think I'd best don my tin hat and unplug 🤣
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Post by benaj on Apr 4, 2020 15:44:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 16:39:20 GMT
no links to any evidence, just an American journalist spouting before Christmas
However, the economist had a nice article over Christmas that theorised that changes in the RC rules forbidding marriage to first cousins in the middle ages did help develop modern banking as for once you had to learn to trust other people than members of your family, plus of course, they stopped children being born with too many fingers.
But of course that also fails to point out why RC rules had not changed between 350AD and roughly 1350 AD when this change came in. I suggest nothing to do with a message from god/God, more likely just a decision like fish on fridays (to help desitute Italian fishermen). Neither rule of course was in the bible (as in a mass of documents stuffed together 65AD to 350AD or in the final version constructed in 350ish.
Gods are gods are Gods. But religions invent rules to satisfy humans. I doubt if God ever wanted fish on friday, priests not to marry, people to go to church on Sunday etc etc but religions did/do.
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