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Post by Harland Kearney on Mar 31, 2020 21:23:17 GMT
... I can also confirm that the new lender servicing fee only applies to loans not presently in default/ recovery so no, you are not charged for those. If loans aren't paying or have no retentions then you still accrue interest and we accrue the small fee. ... So the "membership fee" actually applies to ALL loans then, regardless of their status? ...it's just that you'll deduct the "membership fee" for active loans each month, but still "accrue" a monthly fee for each non-active loan too, so that if/when those loans ever start to repay, you'll then deduct your accrued "membership fee" from these too!?? I can also confirm that the new lender servicing fee only applies to loans not presently in default/ recovery.
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Post by greatmarko on Mar 31, 2020 21:25:38 GMT
So the "membership fee" actually applies to ALL loans then, regardless of their status? ...it's just that you'll deduct the "membership fee" for active loans each month, but still "accrue" a monthly fee for each non-active loan too, so that if/when those loans ever start to repay, you'll then deduct your accrued "membership fee" from these too!?? I can also confirm that the new lender servicing fee only applies to loans not presently in default/ recovery.That's not what Stuart's said - he's said that the "lender servicing fee" will accrue for non-performing loans!
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Mar 31, 2020 21:25:39 GMT
... I can also confirm that the new lender servicing fee only applies to loans not presently in default/ recovery so no, you are not charged for those. If loans aren't paying or have no retentions then you still accrue interest and we accrue the small fee. ... So the "membership fee" actually applies to ALL loans then, regardless of their status? ...it's just that you'll deduct the "membership fee" for active loans each month, but still "accrue" a monthly "membership fee" for each non-active loan too, so that if/when those loans ever start to repay, you'll then take your accrued "membership fee" from these too!?? Defaulted loans have separate arrangements. Under the terms and conditions you as lenders accrue an extra 3% pa and we accrue an extra 1% above our loan monitoring fee. The new lender fee therefore does not relate to these defaulted loans nor change that arrangement that already benefits you.
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Post by greatmarko on Mar 31, 2020 21:27:04 GMT
So the "membership fee" actually applies to ALL loans then, regardless of their status? ...it's just that you'll deduct the "membership fee" for active loans each month, but still "accrue" a monthly "membership fee" for each non-active loan too, so that if/when those loans ever start to repay, you'll then take your accrued "membership fee" from these too!?? Defaulted loans have separate arrangements. Under the terms and conditions you as lenders accrue an extra 3% pa and we accrue an extra 1% above our loan monitoring fee. The new lender fee therefore does not relate to these defaulted loans nor change that arrangement that already benefits you. Thanks for clarifying!
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Post by corto on Mar 31, 2020 21:31:22 GMT
Asset Capital is Finished.....Well done stuartassetzcapital chris You have just totally destroyed everything you have worked on AC the past 7 years. Your platform is FINISHED - You have destroyed everything AC was known for. Disagree. They have taken action to have income to protect OUR ASSETS AND BORROWERS BUSINESSES. I agree with mikeme Tough times need tough measures. AC seems determined and I like that! I trust they have a plan and I will support that.
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Post by alender on Mar 31, 2020 21:35:04 GMT
In a situation that has no certain endpoint yet, nor any predictable economic recovery trajectory at present, not taking the action that we have taken would be a gross dereliction of duty in looking after our stakeholders, including you, our investors. We are not short of cash ourselves I trust that this makes sense. If looking after you investors is
Changing the rules quicker than the weather.
Locking up all their funds, the capital lock up is unavoidable but capital repayments are not. Promising Pro Rata payouts and then pooling payments to the detriment of larger investors. After locking up their funds enforcing a fee (non tax deductible as I understand) on the face value of the investment not the true MTM value.
You must be deluded, who is going to invests with you now?
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Post by corto on Mar 31, 2020 21:37:32 GMT
Also, is it not the case that platform fees can't be offset against our taxes, so we pay tax on, say, the full £1,000 earned in loan interest rather than on £1,000 minus the 0.9% fee i.e. £991? This is an important question, hopefully they clarify it soon. Technically, your tax issues are not their business. They may be nice to express an opinion, but they certainly are not allowed to give advice on this question.
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Post by mark on Mar 31, 2020 21:38:47 GMT
Expected this and I'm in. mikeme. Respect to you Sir for sanity and understanding of the brief. At the very least you would have hoped that the angry squad would have paused for reflection and consideration before launching into their next tiresome, predictable, repetitive anti-Assetz Capital rants. To those investors, with the appropriate level of respect to each of them, a question. What would you suggest as an alternative strategy going forward ?? The "its all bo**ocks brigade" are excluded from making their predictable limited range suggestions, but please post your business strategy alternatives for the so called "amatuers" to consider. IF naked self interest for your own individual funds and the delay to access to them is not your only concern, and if you understand that all parties lender, borrower and company are interdependant all suffering difficult times and decisions, then here is your opportunity to volunteer your financial nouse, business strategy and feed into the a possible alternative 'professional' approach.🥱🥱🥱 All
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Post by dave4 on Mar 31, 2020 21:45:42 GMT
Dear all I would like to address the questions, incorrect statements and wild speculation on this thread and also thank those who see what we are seeking to achieve here with these regrettable, but necessary, actions. We can of course confirm that we are no different to the vast majority of the companies in the world's economy, excepting perhaps food retailers and hand sanitiser companies and similar, in that we have seen income and sales lower during the lockdown and we are therefore also taking all the same measures as pretty much every other company in this country and indeed the rest of the world. Anyone that denies that this pandemic is happening, or that these actions are not absolutely necessary, when even the most cash rich of companies are having to take cost reduction measures, perhaps does not yet realise the seriousness of the situation or not yet have hospitalised relations and friends. Our actions, like pretty much every other company, include directors having salaries reduced very substantially, very substantial overhead cuts across the board, and I mean everything, meaning that we have brought down monthly costs by a huge 50%. This, combined with temporary changes to our charging structures, puts us in a sustainable position during the worst of this period over the next few months. The costs of servicing the loan book have increased substantially and we have addressed that. In a situation that has no certain endpoint yet, nor any predictable economic recovery trajectory at present, not taking the action that we have taken would be a gross dereliction of duty in looking after our stakeholders, including you, our investors. We are not short of cash ourselves but how long does this situation continue? Three months is the initial Government timeframe but who has the data yet to say its not six months, one year, longer? These actions protect the team who in turn protect your money. Our team is also working very long hours protecting your capital and we have not shuttered like many other investments such as property funds, nor have we cancelled your income as listed companies cancelling their dividends left right and centre have done. Please give our team the space to do the best for you in this difficult time. I don't mind people casting insults and other poorly judged comments at me, as time will judge if I made the right decisions for you all with the benefit of hindsight, but please do not criticise the team who are also working tirelessly for you and not necessarily as thick skinned. I can also confirm that the new lender servicing fee only applies to loans not presently in default/ recovery so no, you are not charged for those. If loans aren't paying or have no retentions then you still accrue interest and we accrue the small fee. Borrowers are not let off one penny of interest, it is still due and secured but we are recommending giving them time to manage themselves out of this to avoid certain loan losses otherwise. Borrowers have no current access to the Government backed loans' cash because they have barely announced the terms, never mind have any banks processed any material number of applications yet. The Government salary support scheme does not exist, there is no way to process a claim for that and it seems weeks away, probably next month at the earliest. Our proposed support gives them time to get that done. And our loans have property security, how would you feel if you'd lent unsecured to micro businesses with no reserves and no sales, consumers with no jobs now or self employed with no work any more? I've been through many cycles of all sorts of types and this is by far the worst and fastest that I and our team have seen. I trust that this makes sense. Thank you for the response. I may or may not agree with some actions taken, but appreciate all the teams hard work.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Mar 31, 2020 21:46:20 GMT
In a situation that has no certain endpoint yet, nor any predictable economic recovery trajectory at present, not taking the action that we have taken would be a gross dereliction of duty in looking after our stakeholders, including you, our investors. We are not short of cash ourselves I trust that this makes sense. If looking after you investors is
Changing the rules quicker than the weather. In a fast moving environment a few changes to provide stability is sensible
Locking up all their funds, the capital lock up is unavoidable but capital repayments are not.
Promising Pro Rata payouts and then pooling payments to the detriment of larger investors. After locking up their funds enforcing a fee (non tax deductible as I understand) on the face value of the investment not the true MTM value.
You must be deluded, who is going to invests with you now?
Changing the rules quicker than the weather. - In a fast moving environment a few changes to provide stability is sensible Locking up all their funds, the capital lock up is unavoidable but capital repayments are not. - Capital is being released against withdrawals. Another c £500k is due out tomorrow for example. Promising Pro Rata payouts and then pooling payments to the detriment of larger investors. - In the extreme markets we have flat payments. As things improve as they are, we expect to be able t return to pro rata payments. After locking up their funds enforcing a fee (non tax deductible as I understand) on the face value of the investment not the true MTM value - To mark to market would likely mean taking active discounting in the aftermarket as the current loan value, ignoring the security value and LTV protection. That opportunity to discount already exists in the MLA account. We aren't doing that within the Access Accounts as we don't have evidence that any MLA discounts are correct or even required. The fee only applies to non defaulted loans so likely there are no reductions in face value at present and therefore it is calculated correctly. We operate in an illiquid market, as is the nature our our lending, and unlike property funds who cannot MTM at present because they have no faith in values and have no equity protection from losses, we do have that protection and so are not discounting loans that have been performing up to this time.
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Post by jasonnewman on Mar 31, 2020 21:48:00 GMT
Expected this and I'm in. mikeme. Respect to you Sir for sanity and understanding of the brief. At the very least you would have hoped that the angry squad would have paused for reflection and consideration before launching into their next tiresome, predictable, repetitive anti-Assetz Capital rants. To those investors, with the appropriate level of respect to each of them, a question. What would you suggest as an alternative strategy going forward ?? The "its all bo**ocks brigade" are excluded from making their predictable limited range suggestions, but please post your business strategy alternatives for the so called "amatuers" to consider. IF naked self interest for your own individual funds and the delay to access to them is not your only concern, and if you understand that all parties lender, borrower and company are interdependant all suffering difficult times and decisions, then here is your opportunity to volunteer your financial nouse, business strategy and feed into the a possible alternative 'professional' approach.🥱🥱🥱 All Start by doing what you are saying you are going to do rather than changing things on a whim....
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Post by Mikeme on Mar 31, 2020 21:48:40 GMT
Expected this and I'm in. mikeme. Respect to you Sir for sanity and understanding of the brief. At the very least you would have hoped that the angry squad would have paused for reflection and consideration before launching into their next tiresome, predictable, repetitive anti-Assetz Capital rants. Sorry they will not stop the rant. They are ENTITLEDTo those investors, with the appropriate level of respect to each of them, a question. What would you suggest as an alternative strategy going forward ?? The "its all bo**ocks brigade" are excluded from making their predictable limited range suggestions, but please post your business strategy alternatives for the so called "amatuers" to consider. IF naked self interest for your own individual funds and the delay to access to them is not your only concern, and if you understand that all parties lender, borrower and company are interdependant all suffering difficult times and decisions, then here is your opportunity to volunteer your financial nouse, business strategy and feed into the a possible alternative 'professional' approach.🥱🥱🥱 All Mark Maybe a new thread tomorrow with the aim to support both AC and our borrowers.
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Post by corto on Mar 31, 2020 21:49:30 GMT
My wife and I both had to pick an option to access out accounts and frankly didn't bother to read or consider this as we were both so annoyed at that point. Great way to go to get a considered view from your lenders! Just vote NO option B - Terms stay the same as before rather than read all the jibberish from AC. You should have noticed in the previous few weeks that they have quite some power to change terms ...
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Post by alender on Mar 31, 2020 21:50:14 GMT
Expected this and I'm in. mikeme. Respect to you Sir for sanity and understanding of the brief. At the very least you would have hoped that the angry squad would have paused for reflection and consideration before launching into their next tiresome, predictable, repetitive anti-Assetz Capital rants. To those investors, with the appropriate level of respect to each of them, a question. What would you suggest as an alternative strategy going forward ?? The "its all bo**ocks brigade" are excluded from making their predictable limited range suggestions, but please post your business strategy alternatives for the so called "amatuers" to consider. IF naked self interest for your own individual funds and the delay to access to them is not your only concern, and if you understand that all parties lender, borrower and company are interdependant all suffering difficult times and decisions, then here is your opportunity to volunteer your financial nouse, business strategy and feed into the a possible alternative 'professional' approach.🥱🥱🥱 All Try to gain lenders confidence instead of taking them for granted, ask for their views
Plan out a strategy for serious financial event instead of making it up on the hoof
Stop changing T&Cs with the weather
Don't promise Pro Rata payments and then renege on this
Treat all Lenders the same i.e. Pro Rata Payments
Pay back capital, after all the Lender is the owner of the loan (if this is P2P)
Add some money in yourselves, nothing adds confidence like Directors adding funds to the business
Keep lenders informed if necessary on a daily basis
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Post by chris on Mar 31, 2020 21:58:15 GMT
alender - I'm curious as to how much you think you need to have invested for pro-rata withdrawals from the access accounts to have given you more cash thus far than the flat payment system?
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