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Post by Harland Kearney on Apr 9, 2020 19:59:26 GMT
New loans are being funded by the British Business Bank - These additional tranches should be funded the same way. To use investor cash and not funding the withdrawal queue with the money is suicidal. People seem happy to fund loans for properties that may not get sold for a number of years. You lot should ask yourself why a traditional bank doesn't fund these loans instead, most people really have no idea what they are talking about and are on course to realise substantial losses given enough time. In the mean time AC will have collected their fees and paid their salaries etc. New loans are being funded by the British Business Bank - These additional tranches should be funded the same way.This is seemingly already taking place to some extent, we don't actually know (somebody else might). Reguardless AC are independant to use it as they see fit, and likely fully understand where it be best be placed right now. To use investor cash and not funding the withdrawal queue with the money is suicidal.
To use investors of the very loans we paid to fund is suicidal? What? Make no sense not sure how how to reply. People seem happy to fund loans for properties that may not get sold for a number of years. You lot should ask yourself why a traditional bank doesn't fund these loans instead, most people really have no idea what they are talking about and are on course to realise substantial losses given enough time. In the mean time AC will have collected their fees and paid their salaries etc.Few points that seem good on the surface but you have to dig a bit deeper. A good majority of property loans are re-financed by those banks, but banks like a building not 30% of a wooden structure. Many SME's prefere to use AC as a funding stream first as its quicker, more flexible for their needs. Then move onto a bank when it comes to selling off the property over a longer period of time. (bridging) If you are so clever and we all have no idea what we are talking about, why did you invest in this product? look I dont' wanna get personal but you must be in over your head with the string of the same negative comments. Have you stopped to think one second that the very things you are posting again and again will simply confuse possible investors and cause others to panic. If I am on course to realise "substantial" losses, I'd rather do that once the economy has footed itself again correctly, or at least began too. Not do it now in one big panic sell to vultures. Nobody can tell you if we will suffer losses, but I have a feeling unless you really really over invested, say 85k+ into P2P right now. The access Account pool system will save you from capital loss at the expense of liquidity and fees right now. You will get alot of the money back slowly over the next 9-12 months. The overall loan book is VERY LIKELY to suffer some defaults and stressed loans, but that doesn't mean all lenders automatically take that haircut. It may very well happen if AC decide to discontinue the AC and crystalise the loanbook so to speak. (There is zero evidence to suggest anything of this kind.) If I suffer 50% capital loss, its my fault, I am the one who fu**ed up, even if I cant' afford to lose it. It isn't anybody elses unless fraud ect was in play. (which seemingly it is not!) I refuse to kick my feet around expecting something to change. Let AC do their job, it wont' even be that long within 90 days we'll have a clearer picture as will AC and they will update us, their comms for this week have been alot better IMHO, but we voted for them so they better damn keep at it too...
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Post by iRobot on Apr 9, 2020 20:04:14 GMT
I don't think a lot of people understand what they have invested in with AC Or, an alternative view... I think a lot of people (here) know exactly what they have invested in with AC. A lot. But, clearly, not all. One or two didn't. AC is P2P. P2P is risky. Where there are risks, there can be losses. Knew that coming in. Have AC been negligent? Is the global pandemic their fault? As for handing over control. Both AC and I wanted to make money out of P2P. AC pulled their finger out and launched a platform. I didn't want to run a platform but I did want some of my investments earning higher rates of interest. So I used AC's platform. Their platform, they get to call the shots. My choice to invest through them. Eyes wide open over here! (Though I suspect the scales are just falling from others' eyes when it comes to the illiquidity and risk associated with P2P.) A few days back you asked that AC give weekly updates. Why should they when you don't appear to read the updates they do provide!? Two days later stuartassetzcapital wrote: " The Access Accounts are not funding new loans at this time. Any potential new loans visible in the queue to be drawn soon should not be considered to change this position. Funding of new loans would slow withdrawals and so we have stopped that activity for the time being to focus on existing borrowers and their lenders." Admittedly it was a long post, but it was the first bullet point. Surely you must have read at least that far? And at the moment they aren't refinancing loans, simple as that. They are honouring contractual commitments to Borrowers who are just as entitled to fair treatment and you and I are. You'd do well to remember that. On two occasions to my knowledge courts have entertained Borrowers who believe a platform has acted in breach of contract. Both times, individual lenders have been dragged into the proceedings, and the Borrowers' intent was to pursue individuals for costs and damages. So far, nothing has come of those actions against the platform or lenders, but I wouldn't expect AC - or any other platform - to breach their (our?) contractual obligations and risk action being taken against them / us.
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Post by iRobot on Apr 9, 2020 20:15:46 GMT
People seem happy to fund loans for properties that may not get sold for a number of years. You lot should ask yourself why a traditional bank doesn't fund these loans instead, most people really have no idea what they are talking about and are on course to realise substantial losses given enough time. In the mean time AC will have collected their fees and paid their salaries etc. But you signed up to that. You. Nobody put a gun to your head. You created an account with AC. You funded that account. And you elected to invest. Nothing's changed with regard to the traditional bank. That source of funding wasn't available to borrowers when you chose to sign up and it still isn't. Nothings changed with regard to the duration it would take for projects to complete, inasmuch as they were often multi-year propositions to start with. You knew these things coming in. So why did you invest your life savings?
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 9, 2020 21:09:57 GMT
New loans are being funded by the British Business Bank - These additional tranches should be funded the same way. To use investor cash and not funding the withdrawal queue with the money is suicidal. People seem happy to fund loans for properties that may not get sold for a number of years. You lot should ask yourself why a traditional bank doesn't fund these loans instead, most people really have no idea what they are talking about and are on course to realise substantial losses given enough time. In the mean time AC will have collected their fees and paid their salaries etc. The BBB will have specific criteria of what lending they will do via platforms and I believe it is mostly SME not property developments so I suspect they are not and cant fund tranches (Im sure someone will correct me) Seems to me that it would be more suicidal to expose the wider lender base to significant potential losses from collapsed development loans for the sake of short term liquidity.
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Post by jasonnewman on Apr 9, 2020 21:25:03 GMT
Robot There are two loans that have been paid back the past week and the 30 day access account has gone up from £75m to £76m - Why is that cash still not been returned to lenders? AC can write long blog posts and paragraphs, I am looking at the facts and what is happening with the balances and loan repayments I am not seeing any cold hard cash to withdraw in a decent size! I don't care about what story AC want to fob me off with....I am simply interested in getting my cash back. It really is that simple. stuartassetzcapital chris
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Post by kazamx on Apr 10, 2020 11:28:10 GMT
Jason, what % of your portfolio do you have on AC?
From the way you post you have gone massively over the 10% rule.
Most users (as shown from all the polls you keep putting up) understood what they were getting into and accepted the risks.
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Post by gravitykillz on Apr 10, 2020 12:01:49 GMT
Robot There are two loans that have been paid back the past week and the 30 day access account has gone up from £75m to £76m - Why is that cash still not been returned to lenders? AC can write long blog posts and paragraphs, I am looking at the facts and what is happening with the balances and loan repayments I am not seeing any cold hard cash to withdraw in a decent size! I don't care about what story AC want to fob me off with....I am simply interested in getting my cash back. It really is that simple. stuartassetzcapital chris AC need the cash to buy easter eggs.
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Post by Mikeme on Apr 10, 2020 12:08:02 GMT
Robot There are two loans that have been paid back the past week and the 30 day access account has gone up from £75m to £76m - Why is that cash still not been returned to lenders? AC can write long blog posts and paragraphs, I am looking at the facts and what is happening with the balances and loan repayments I am not seeing any cold hard cash to withdraw in a decent size! I don't care about what story AC want to fob me off with....I am simply interested in getting my cash back. It really is that simple. stuartassetzcapital chris AC need the cash to buy easter eggs. Most posters support their actions. Just the selfish I WANT MY MONEY BACK complaining.
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Post by jasonnewman on Apr 10, 2020 13:46:05 GMT
I invested in the access accounts on the basis I will get access to my money in a reasonable amount of time and in doing so I would not get involved in the detail or who the money is being lent to or on what terms. I invested on the basis of taking a reduced rate of interest whilst AC deal with all the headache. Therefore I am not interested in a borrower needing additional funds etc The detail is irrelevant to me, I've asked for a withdrawal so honour my request. Simple - that is the terms I did business with you for a lower rate. To then impose rules that are worse than what the MLA loans are getting is FOUL PLAY, I am exposed to worse terms at a lower rate. That is not what I signed up for. stuartassetzcapitalchrisWhy are you not releasing the increased cash balances in the access account to service the withdrawal queue?
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Post by iRobot on Apr 10, 2020 14:37:50 GMT
Robot There are two loans that have been paid back the past week [...] - Why is that cash still not been returned to lenders? As per the note from AC: - Liquidity coming into the Access Accounts from loan capital repayments of all types (partial or full loan redemptions) presently goes to fund a mix of withdrawal requests and further drawdowns that borrowers require on existing loans in your own portfolio. Ceasing to do this would cause detriment and material losses for investors and we will not do that if possible.
- Any new deposits from lenders, of which there are many hundreds of those a week at present, funds a mix of withdrawals and those further drawdowns required on existing loans, as above.
For info, a quick scan through suggest AC have made Tranche payments to 23 in-flight development loans totalling £2.3m between the 6th and the 9th April. (Edit: and announced a further £820k in the same period.) Those payments will go toward paying suppliers and contractors on those developments as well as - where possible - helping ensure works can continue. Those payments are protecting our - yours, mine, everybody's - investments and the Borrowers that are entitled to them.
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Post by jo on Apr 10, 2020 15:12:49 GMT
Seems to me there are three classifications of stakeholder in this little force majeure thingy we've got going on over here: the platform, the borrowers, and the lenders. I have already posted that forbearance is the only viable option but I do not accept that it is in the gift of anyone to self-declare the motivation of a 3rd party in wishing to get their money out. You know precisely zip about them, their circumstances or their lives. So Mikeme please take note, there's a good chap.
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Post by Mikeme on Apr 10, 2020 16:50:26 GMT
Seems to me there are three classifications of stakeholder in this little force majeure thingy we've got going on over here: the platform, the borrowers, and the lenders. I have already posted that forbearance is the only viable option but I do not accept that it is in the gift of anyone to self-declare the motivation of a 3rd party in wishing to get their money out. You know precisely zip about them, their circumstances or their lives. So Mikeme please take note, there's a good chap. Admonishment accepted. However it was written ( I don't care about what story AC want to fob me off with....I am simply interested in getting my cash back. It really is that simple.) I also took exception on behalf of AC to (AC need the cash to buy easter eggs.)
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Post by jo on Apr 10, 2020 18:55:36 GMT
Seems to me there are three classifications of stakeholder in this little force majeure thingy we've got going on over here: the platform, the borrowers, and the lenders. I have already posted that forbearance is the only viable option but I do not accept that it is in the gift of anyone to self-declare the motivation of a 3rd party in wishing to get their money out. You know precisely zip about them, their circumstances or their lives. So Mikeme please take note, there's a good chap. Admonishment accepted. However it was written ( I don't care about what story AC want to fob me off with....I am simply interested in getting my cash back. It really is that simple.) I also took exception on behalf of AC to (AC need the cash to buy easter eggs.) I watched very similar exchanges on shares bulletin boards right the way through the GFC in many sectors, particularly the banking sector. To give a particularly inappropriate analogy, Northern Rock didn't go bust because people were queuing round the block to withdraw their money. Rather it went bust because it lent money to anyone who could sign their name unassisted - then hedged their risk with derivatives that were actually additional liabilities waiting to be born. In other words, they were a business run by idiots. The point I'm strangling to death here is that AC will be fine going forward if they have a recognisably (to the professional sector) viable business and whatever anyone here says, or thinks, will have little bearing on that.
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Post by jasonnewman on Apr 10, 2020 19:01:05 GMT
Admonishment accepted. However it was written ( I don't care about what story AC want to fob me off with....I am simply interested in getting my cash back. It really is that simple.) I also took exception on behalf of AC to (AC need the cash to buy easter eggs.) I watched very similar exchanges on shares bulletin boards right the way through the GFC in many sectors, particularly the banking sector. To give a particularly inappropriate analogy, Northern Rock didn't go bust because people were queuing round the block to withdraw their money. Rather it went bust because it lent money to anyone who could sign their name unassisted - then hedged their risk with derivatives that were actually additional liabilities waiting to be born. In other words, they were a business run by idiots. The point I'm strangling to death here is that AC will be fine going forward if they have a recognisably (to the professional sector) viable business and whatever anyone here says, or thinks, will have little bearing on that. Jo - There will be a lot of investors here who get royally shafted once all this is done, they really have no idea. Maybe these are just youngsters posting who have never seen a downturn before.
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Post by Mikeme on Apr 10, 2020 19:40:58 GMT
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