ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 20, 2020 18:38:25 GMT
You did explain to counsel that you are investing in a blackbox autoinvest account where sole discretion of how your funds are invested is ACs.
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Post by Harland Kearney on Apr 20, 2020 18:50:06 GMT
Repayments from access accounts seem to have come to a crawl after the initial £400 or so,now its a few pound a day at best Yes, no loan repayments, no money. Drawndowns have reduced by about 75% too, so no work is currently being done on a majority of the properties. (no surprise ofc) Won't be another few months until anything large comes in. Current money being paid out is new investors money, split up to the queue. As well held back for retention, interest ect.
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kermie
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Post by kermie on Apr 20, 2020 18:51:15 GMT
Repayments from access accounts seem to have come to a crawl after the initial £400 or so,now its a few pound a day at best Yes, and will be for quite some time. Which means all the debates about pool, queue, proportional allocations, etc, is largely academic....at least for some months to come.
And I say this as an uncomfortably-large investor in the QAA.
Just sit tight.
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Post by gobuchul on Apr 20, 2020 19:50:53 GMT
I wrote to AC and formally complained about this flat rate pool situation as it seemed absurd and totally unfair. I was particularly miffed about the fact that the flat rate is per access account rather than per user so a small investor with money in all three Access Accounts gets three times the money that one large investor in one Access Account gets. I thought that other people must feel the same and found this forum and found I was not alone.
But then read other peoples views, and thought about it a bit more, and I realised that I needed to pull on my big boy pants and get over it. The money is such a dribble anyway so who cares? Until the lockdown is over and the economy starts moving again it is like arguing about who gets the biggest slice of nothing.
I have now withdrawn my complaint and will just have to trust the nice people at AC to do their best to look after my investment (which must be quite hard at the moment).
I do still think this approach is damaging to larger investors trust and I'll decide how I feel about that later, but legal action? Really? That is just like a petulant tantrum for people with too much money.
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Mikeme
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Post by Mikeme on Apr 20, 2020 20:08:18 GMT
I wrote to AC and formally complained about this flat rate pool situation as it seemed absurd and totally unfair. I was particularly miffed about the fact that the flat rate is per access account rather than per user so a small investor with money in all three Access Accounts gets three times the money that one large investor in one Access Account gets. I thought that other people must feel the same and found this forum and found I was not alone. But then read other peoples views, and thought about it a bit more, and I realised that I needed to pull on my big boy pants and get over it. The money is such a dribble anyway so who cares? Until the lockdown is over and the economy starts moving again it is like arguing about who gets the biggest slice of nothing. I have now withdrawn my complaint and will just have to trust the nice people at AC to do their best to look after my investment (which must be quite hard at the moment). I do still think this approach is damaging to larger investors trust and I'll decide how I feel about that later, but legal action? Really? That is just like a petulant tantrum for people with too much money. What a great first post. No one wants to lose money and the cause of the problem is not the platform but a worldwide pandemic and financial meltdown. Overall when you read through reams of posts you will see as you have already identified a relatively small number of .................. I have used this analogy many times. Should the one with lots of money be able to buy all the stocks of loo roll leaving almost none for the rest? Extending that to the money being paid out many of the smaller investors will NEED that money not just want it to make more money.
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p2pfan
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Post by p2pfan on Apr 20, 2020 20:17:35 GMT
I have no issue with the queue turning into a pool. But I do have an issue with flat pay outs rather pro-rata payouts. The reason being is larger investors will be left with an increasingly toxic pool of loans which treats them unfairly verses other smaller investors who will be made whole over time by the good part of the loan book. Essentially AC is robbing Peter to Paul. I would wholeheartedly second this. Any form of out-and-out discrimination is unacceptable and therefore AC should not be discriminating to this extent against larger investors. I understand AC's point about not allowing larger investors to take most of the money available for withdrawal from the accounts and so what would have perhaps been wisest is a 'happy medium' i.e. AC's systems could have been programmed to enable investors with smaller sums set for withdrawal to get a larger share of their requested sums and investors with larger sums to get a slightly lower ratio. But for everybody to be allowed exactly the same withdrawal amount is preposterous. At the current rate of withdrawal I calculated that it'd take an extremely long time - many, many years - for me to get even a small ratio of the money I had set for withdrawal. Importantly, as commented above, the current configuration will result in the bad debts being left in the hands of the larger lenders.
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alanh
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Post by alanh on Apr 20, 2020 20:41:50 GMT
I wrote to AC and formally complained about this flat rate pool situation as it seemed absurd and totally unfair. I was particularly miffed about the fact that the flat rate is per access account rather than per user so a small investor with money in all three Access Accounts gets three times the money that one large investor in one Access Account gets. I thought that other people must feel the same and found this forum and found I was not alone. But then read other peoples views, and thought about it a bit more, and I realised that I needed to pull on my big boy pants and get over it. The money is such a dribble anyway so who cares? Until the lockdown is over and the economy starts moving again it is like arguing about who gets the biggest slice of nothing. I have now withdrawn my complaint and will just have to trust the nice people at AC to do their best to look after my investment (which must be quite hard at the moment). I do still think this approach is damaging to larger investors trust and I'll decide how I feel about that later, but legal action? Really? That is just like a petulant tantrum for people with too much money. Maybe they should just sit there and watch all their money get siphoned off and do nothing?
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Post by ceejay on Apr 20, 2020 20:56:00 GMT
Maybe they should just sit there and watch all their money get siphoned off and do nothing? And maybe there is an equivalent argument for "doing something about Covid-19" by going off to find a few 5G masts to burn down?
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alanh
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Post by alanh on Apr 20, 2020 21:01:29 GMT
Maybe they should just sit there and watch all their money get siphoned off and do nothing? And maybe there is an equivalent argument for "doing something about Covid-19" by going off to find a few 5G masts to burn down? Not really what we are discussing here in case you hadn't noticed.
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Post by jasonnewman on Apr 20, 2020 21:03:20 GMT
Could you tell me who "we" are? Do you represent a group of large investors? Pretty sure we can all guess who the OP is. Wondered where he had been the last week. It's been suspiciously quiet on the board. Also OP you'll be "pleased" to know that some have claimed on other threads that it's not a pool anymore. It's a queue now, and withdrawals are being processed by date of joining said queue. So... You won already? Maybe stop trying to bankrupt a clearly struggling platform with massive legal fees in the middle of an unprecidented global pandemic and potentially upcoming massive economic depression? All you're going to do is lose ALL of your money invested in the platform, and all of ours too. Guess all you like....It seems like someone very sensible. If management simply operated a queue system FIFO they would not have all these issues, a queue system is simple and fair. AC should have continued the business as they did before and paid out as and when cash was available but instead they decided to take matters into their own hands and change the rules. At the outset an investor is very clear what they are investing in and under what terms, so we have COVID-19 and AC don't have funds, simply put people in a queue and pay out gradually rather than this mess they have created. There are a lot of people who are simply sitting tight and hoping it all works out for them...…..But reality is good loans are being paid out and those that stay are left with the non-performing loans.
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Post by elliotn on Apr 21, 2020 0:18:08 GMT
This is a direct consequence of people having too much time on their hands.
Perhaps legal action should be taken against Ratesetter for the debacle of months’ long queues caused by the panicking rich blocking desperate, suicidal NHS workers from their desperately needed, paltry savings.
You absolute bunch of rich world 'Boomers.
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alanh
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Post by alanh on Apr 21, 2020 7:41:13 GMT
This is a direct consequence of people having too much time on their hands. Perhaps legal action should be taken against Ratesetter for the debacle of months’ long queues caused by the panicking rich blocking desperate, suicidal NHS workers from their desperately needed, paltry savings. You absolute bunch of rich world 'Boomers. Take legal action against Ratesetter for what? Returning around a million pounds to investors every day? Assetz are returning around £1.50 a day per investor. Probably best you stick to your day job if thats your best idea.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 21, 2020 7:50:36 GMT
This is a direct consequence of people having too much time on their hands. Perhaps legal action should be taken against Ratesetter for the debacle of months’ long queues caused by the panicking rich blocking desperate, suicidal NHS workers from their desperately needed, paltry savings. You absolute bunch of rich world 'Boomers. One of the more obscure insults, nice work. To almost certainly misquote somebody... Money can't buy you love, but can remove your grip on reality. Not sure if it includes everybody or nobody...
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Post by p2ploser on Apr 21, 2020 9:10:14 GMT
This is all nonsense. If any sort of legal action was being taken why would anyone feel the need to come on a public bulletin board to tell people and also potentially prejudice any action taken? Too many people with too much time on their hands just now. Best consign this thread to it rightful place
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Post by Harland Kearney on Apr 21, 2020 10:42:04 GMT
This is all nonsense. If any sort of legal action was being taken why would anyone feel the need to come on a public bulletin board to tell people and also potentially prejudice any action taken? Too many people with too much time on their hands just now. Best consign this thread to it rightful place Good luck having the Mods take action on these spam threads. Just be happy its not a POLL.
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