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Post by agent69 on Jun 4, 2020 18:37:57 GMT
More deaths announced in the UK today than the rest of Europe (exc Russia) combined We've also forged in front of Spain in terms of deaths per million, placing us second worst in the world now in the Worldometers table of shame, behind Belgium (ignoring the tiny territories like Andorra). Some people appear to be positively salivating at the prospect of us being the worst in the world. You're not a Labout MP by any chance?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 4, 2020 19:28:15 GMT
We've also forged in front of Spain in terms of deaths per million, placing us second worst in the world now in the Worldometers table of shame, behind Belgium (ignoring the tiny territories like Andorra). Some people appear to be positively salivating at the prospect of us being the worst in the world. You're not a Labout MP by any chance? Others have difficulty accepting how poorly our leaders have managed the crisis.
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Post by ozboy on Jun 4, 2020 22:16:58 GMT
Fortunately, all countries use exactly the same methods for reporting and are entirely open, honest, and transparent so we can absolutely rely on the statistics without question.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 5, 2020 10:37:42 GMT
Fortunately, all countries use exactly the same methods for reporting and are entirely open, honest, and transparent so we can absolutely rely on the statistics without question. So Spain made a minor correction of a couple of hundred deaths. Does that have any real impact? The UK, China and no doubt other countries have also made corrections mid-way, but that doesn't alter the overall picture. Statisticians are used to dealing with data that aren't 100% accurate and can still nevertheless draw valid inferences from such data. Amongst what you might consider the more reliable and trustworthy countries, the data are surprisingly consistent. We could adopt your flippancy and ignore the data set completely, or we could look a little deeper. For example, tabulate the proportion of reported deaths over reported cases and you get a quite remarkable consistency between Italy, UK, Netherlands, Belgium and France of around 12-14%. That might suggest some element of accuracy in their data collection, rather than random numbers being put forward. The same calculation for other countries like USA, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand is very much lower, perhaps then suggesting more than one strain of the virus in operation? The Worldometers table won't be 100% accurate, of course not, but it's as good as you're going to get, and most of the world's agencies seem content to refer to it.
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Post by Steerpike on Jun 5, 2020 11:28:07 GMT
The British government cited Worldometer data on Covid-19 deaths during its daily press conferences for much of April, before switching to Johns Hopkins data.
“Both Worldometers and John Hopkins provided comprehensive and well-respected data. As the situation developed, we transferred from Worldometers to John Hopkins as John Hopkins relies more on official sources,” read a statement from a UK government spokesperson.
Apparently, JHU uses Worldometer as a source but performs more checks
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Post by dan1 on Jun 7, 2020 16:35:50 GMT
Added deaths/cases for 07/06/2020: 77/1326 First time deaths below 100 since lockdown started, though it is a weekend figure The numbers continue to trend down - slowly. Here in York, there have been no new cases of covid-19 for three days and no covid-19 related deaths reported for eight days, which can only be good. You may want to look at keep abreast of the NHS Pathways data (triages thru 111, 111 Online and, for some areas, 999)... digital.nhs.uk/dashboards/nhs-pathwaysFor Vale of York the 111 data looks to be trending down but there were a few more visits via 111 Online on 3rd & 4th June. The data isn't updated on the weekend, unfortunately. I've not yet stumbled on a hospital admissions dashboard or equivalent.
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Post by benaj on Jun 9, 2020 16:38:43 GMT
Most COVID deaths occurred outside hospitals in Week 22. Source: ONS 6.Deaths registered by place of occurrence In London, there are only 5 deaths in hospitals compared to 87 all COVID deaths (2nd June to 8th June)
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Post by agent69 on Jun 9, 2020 17:43:07 GMT
Added deaths/cases for 09/06/2020: 286/1387 Worldometers are quoting 1741 new cases. Any idea why the discrepancy?
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Post by benaj on Jun 9, 2020 17:52:40 GMT
Added deaths/cases for 09/06/2020: 286/1387 Worldometers are quoting 1741 new cases. Any idea why the discrepancy? Worldometers hold record differently. GOV holds record by specimen date and updates accordingly.
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Post by cb25 on Jun 9, 2020 21:44:26 GMT
Added deaths/cases for 09/06/2020: 286/1387 Worldometers are quoting 1741 new cases. Any idea why the discrepancy? benaj has supplied an answer (thanks) which I was unaware of as I tend just to track the DHSC figures.
Gov UK site contains a note for 9 June "The total number of positive cases has been revised since yesterday’s total due to changes to historic data. The daily positive cases reported today have been added to this revised total rather than the total reported yesterday, so the total today is 354 higher than if you added the daily positive cases to yesterday’s total."
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Post by benaj on Jun 12, 2020 14:15:26 GMT
193,000 tests a day, and yet only less than 8100 triages a day from (111, 999 and Online). What are they really testing I wonder. Triage Data from NHS.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jun 12, 2020 14:31:28 GMT
193,000 tests a day, and yet only less than 8100 triages a day from (111, 999 and Online). What are they really testing I wonder. Triage Data from NHS. Hospital patients, care home residents, NHS staff and carers?
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Post by benaj on Jun 12, 2020 15:03:03 GMT
It would be good if someone could publish numbers of people being tested. So all 1.2 million NHS worker in England have been tested? As far as I remember, 6 Million tests carried out so far, less than 700,000 were Antibody tests. According to this, NHS Staffs and care workers would get Antibody tests soon on 3rd Jun. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8391351/Englands-coronavirus-outbreak-shrinks-HALF-week.htmlEvening including the monthly swab tests for 25,000 selected, and ICL 100,000 random tests across 315 LA, and 100,000 random antibody tests, the 6 million tests do not explain a lot about the number of people tested.
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Post by dan1 on Jun 14, 2020 15:21:59 GMT
Added deaths/cases for 14/06/2020: 36/1514 Very low deaths figure (but it is a weekend figure), cases unfortunately showing slight upward trend Promising trend in deaths. Cases? Well, we have a range of reasons depending on your tribe... more testing, Cummings, beaches, protests, schools, etc. I suspect it's less to do with headline stuff and more to do with general relaxing of the rules, i.e. all that stuff contributes to the overall slight upward trend.
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Post by benaj on Jun 17, 2020 16:37:12 GMT
In Week 23 (week ending 5 June 2020), London was 2.8% fewer than the five-year average, the first region in England to go below the five-year average since Week 13. IMO, the consequence of behavior changes could have significant impact on the pension in the future if people could live even longer Source ONS
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