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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:07:26 GMT
Probably more to do with the fact that both major parties continue to have politicians who are PPE graduates rather than Scientists. The last great UK leader had a degree in Chemistry and it has been all the way down since then.
Wilson PPE Heath PPE Callaghan NA Thatcher Chemistry Major NA Blair Law Brown History Cameron PPE May Geography Boris Classics
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Post by dovap on Jul 8, 2020 10:28:51 GMT
yep not going to get much useful out of arts/law tbh.
Coffey has a Chemistry PhD which you'd hope would help but so far......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:35:32 GMT
What interested me recently, is not frustration with the government, which I reasonably happy with, but with the one of the three key errors, the one at the start of the problem in February, when Imperial modelers got the date to start lockdown wrong by two weeks. So scientists also make mistakes, but a scientifically trained PM would have know when to push back and challenge them.
Letting the scientists lead sounds like a sensible mantra, until you think about the Delphi Oracle problem. It is never the answer that is difficult it is always the question. I'd trust even Boris to ask a sensible question about Latin but not "why do you think the chinese data on corona virus is correct?" which it clearly wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:37:28 GMT
yep not going to get much useful out of arts/law tbh. Coffey has a Chemistry PhD which you'd hope would help but so far...... Coffey is Work and Pensions, her input to Coronavirus will have been how big?
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Post by dovap on Jul 8, 2020 10:41:48 GMT
couldn't tell you but she's sat at the table
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 10:49:17 GMT
How do you know? I see Sturgeon missed a few Cobra meetings but I can't find a list of who attends
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Post by starfished on Jul 8, 2020 10:49:35 GMT
I would disagree slightly and say it is not necessarily about the discipline studied. You may disagree with their vision but both Thatcher and Blair were effective leaders I think in part because they tolerated strong differing views in their ranks. This approach brought in a diversity of views which meant (but not always) better challenge and decisions. This current lot actively seek to remove anyone who disagrees with them. There is no incentive to speak up.
Having said that, the electorate were quite clearly asked is Brexit the most important thing to you no matter what? They said yes. If the Government do that to an acceptable level, I suspect a lot of shambles on covid will be accepted by the electorate.
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Post by dan1 on Jul 8, 2020 11:35:20 GMT
I would disagree slightly and say it is not necessarily about the discipline studied. You may disagree with their vision but both Thatcher and Blair were effective leaders I think in part because they tolerated strong differing views in their ranks. This approach brought in a diversity of views which meant (but not always) better challenge and decisions. This current lot actively seek to remove anyone who disagrees with them. There is no incentive to speak up. Having said that, the electorate were quite clearly asked is Brexit the most important thing to you no matter what? They said yes. If the Government do that to an acceptable level, I suspect a lot of shambles on covid will be accepted by the electorate. I couldn't agree more, it's what differentiates this administration. Adding profession to the earlier list is (IMO) far more informative (from Google ignoring politician/statesperson - make of that what you will!)... Wilson PPE - Teacher/Author/Statistician Heath PPE - Conductor/Organist/Journalist/Military Personnel Callaghan NA - Economist/Lieutenant/Trade Unionist/Municipal Clerk Thatcher Chemistry - Barrister/Chemist Major NA - Banker Blair Law - Lawyer/Philanthropist/Diplomat/ Brown History - Teacher/Journalist/Biographer/Historian Cameron PPE - Spokesperson/Editor May Geography - Finance Boris Classics - Journalist/Author/Historian/Book Editor/Editor
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Post by michaelc on Jul 8, 2020 12:52:34 GMT
I would disagree slightly and say it is not necessarily about the discipline studied. You may disagree with their vision but both Thatcher and Blair were effective leaders I think in part because they tolerated strong differing views in their ranks. This approach brought in a diversity of views which meant (but not always) better challenge and decisions. This current lot actively seek to remove anyone who disagrees with them. There is no incentive to speak up. Having said that, the electorate were quite clearly asked is Brexit the most important thing to you no matter what? They said yes. If the Government do that to an acceptable level, I suspect a lot of shambles on covid will be accepted by the electorate. Sadly, the reason for that is because no matter how they dress it up, many but not all on the remain side were such bad losers that they were willing to forgo decades/centuaries of democracy to achieve their goal. I am naturally not a little-Britainer and in normal times would probably dislike a huge amount about this government. I might well vote yellow or even red but because of the above, I will judge them mostly on their ability to carry out their main pre-election promises.
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Post by cb25 on Jul 8, 2020 12:56:17 GMT
Telegraph reports "Rishi Sunak has unveiled an "eat out to help out" discount scheme, as part of a £30bn plan to rescue the economy from the coronavirus-induced recession. The Chancellor said participating restaurants would be able to offer half price meals every Monday to Wednesday throughout August, and be reimbursed by the Government within five working days."
Appears there is such a thing as a free lunch.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 8, 2020 13:02:43 GMT
Telegraph reports "Rishi Sunak has unveiled an "eat out to help out" discount scheme, as part of a £30bn plan to rescue the economy from the coronavirus-induced recession. The Chancellor said participating restaurants would be able to offer half price meals every Monday to Wednesday throughout August, and be reimbursed by the Government within five working days."
Appears there is such a thing as a free lunch.
Or at least a half free lunch (provided it doesn't cost more than £20)
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Post by cb25 on Jul 8, 2020 13:05:10 GMT
Telegraph reports "Rishi Sunak has unveiled an "eat out to help out" discount scheme, as part of a £30bn plan to rescue the economy from the coronavirus-induced recession. The Chancellor said participating restaurants would be able to offer half price meals every Monday to Wednesday throughout August, and be reimbursed by the Government within five working days."
Appears there is such a thing as a free lunch.
Or at least a half free lunch ( provided it doesn't cost more than £20) Pub lunch around here costs more than that per person.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jul 8, 2020 13:07:57 GMT
As of two weeks ago, deaths now running BELOW expected, even though plenty still mention COVID 19 on death cert. So some evidence accumulating that some people's deaths were "brought forward" by covid-19, and we are entering a period of fewer deaths than usual. Pending the second and third waves of course -although my expectation is that those worst affected first time round will be less affected by second and subsequent waves.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 13:25:22 GMT
Or at least a half free lunch ( provided it doesn't cost more than £20) Pub lunch around here costs more than that per person. Yorkshire, that is a meal for four. Oboy.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jul 8, 2020 13:59:02 GMT
Sadly, the reason for that is because no matter how they dress it up, many but not all on the remain side were such bad losers that they were willing to forgo decades/centuaries of democracy to achieve their goal. I'm not interested in getting into detailed debate over it, so all I'll say is this:
To the West we've got an unpredictable partner, but one thing is sure that he'll take any opportunity to make the UK bend over and pick up the soap for a US trade deal To the East we've got a significant trading partner who the present government is busy alienating To the Far East we've got China, and not being part of Europe is removing, not adding bargaining chips to that table
Then at home we've emerged from Wave 1 COVID with an already significantly damaged economy, Wave 2 COVID is almost certain
The argument for Brexit was never particularly strong in the first place (mostly built on little-islander mentality and pure bullshit from pro-brexit politicians). In today's scenario, the argument is weakened significantly.
which is probably why there is a significant majority against it. Irrelevant though that is as we have already left. what is abundantly clear is that there was never and is not now any significant support for a no-deal Brexit, which this bunch of idealogues is hurtling towards.
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