alender
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Post by alender on Apr 29, 2020 9:25:05 GMT
I'm stuck in the QAA. I'm really envious of those in the MLA. It's really frustrating to look at your holding in a loan through the QAA and realise you can't sell it if you want to. Why can't AC allow you to convert your QAA holdings into your MLA? If they did there is no money to fund the commitments AC have made in future tranches to current borrowers.
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Post by cb25 on Apr 29, 2020 9:26:39 GMT
I'm stuck in the QAA. I'm really envious of those in the MLA. It's really frustrating to look at your holding in a loan through the QAA and realise you can't sell it if you want to. Why can't AC allow you to convert your QAA holdings into your MLA? I have money in the MLA and in access accounts, including the QAA. For many of my MLA holdings, if I want to sell I have to offer a discount higher than other sellers are offering and that necessary discount is often higher than I want to go currently. No option to sell QAA currently, but AC have said there will be a secondary market (when?).
Why are you envious of those in the MLA?
AC pitched the QAA rate to offer what they hoped was an attractive rate for 'instant access' (in normal conditions), allowing for the fact that the underlying loans would deliver that rate and feed the provision fund and, as alender says, future tranches (and AC profit?). Clearly, the underlying loans must on average deliver more than the QAA rate. Rhetorically, why would AC just hand that underlying rate to lenders by allowing transfer from QAA to MLA?
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alender
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Post by alender on Apr 29, 2020 9:30:01 GMT
I would do the same now ,Transfers wont happen look at all the additional interest Assetz are getting considering we only get 4.1% on our investments that we can,t get access to now.Like most have now missed the best of the Stock market lows With the fees this reduces to 3.17%, before someone asks the fees are 0.075% PM compounded this makes 0.93% annualised so the rate is reduced by this amount.
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Post by IFISAcava on Apr 29, 2020 9:33:42 GMT
I'm stuck in the QAA. I'm really envious of those in the MLA. It's really frustrating to look at your holding in a loan through the QAA and realise you can't sell it if you want to. Why can't AC allow you to convert your QAA holdings into your MLA? Way back, when I got some money stuck in the GEA, I realised that the MLA was really the only way to go, precisely because you had the flexibility of discounting if you needed it. So I only used QAA/30 day for relatively small amounts of overflow cash. It was, and is, time consuming however. Converting QA to MLA would be an option, though you'd be left with a lot of suspended/defaulted loans that would be no longer (theoretically) covered by the PF/cash buffer - I suspect the hope is that over time the PF/cash buffer will be replenished enough to cover these again. EDIT: And, as others point out, this would increase likelihood that development loans won't be funded and further reduce value of those remaining in QAA.
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Post by IFISAcava on Apr 29, 2020 9:35:24 GMT
I would do the same now ,Transfers wont happen look at all the additional interest Assetz are getting considering we only get 4.1% on our investments that we can,t get access to now.Like most have now missed the best of the Stock market lowsI wouldn't bet on that
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Post by TitoPuente on Apr 29, 2020 10:14:02 GMT
I would do the same now ,Transfers wont happen look at all the additional interest Assetz are getting considering we only get 4.1% on our investments that we can,t get access to now.Like most have now missed the best of the Stock market lows With the fees this reduces to 3.17%, before someone asks the fees are 0.075% PM compounded this makes 0.93% annualised so the rate is reduced by this amount. You forgot to compound the 4.1% which is effectively 4.18% so your 3.17% becomes 3.25% This is trivial but shows the confirmation bias that is rampant these days.
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Post by alender on Apr 29, 2020 10:32:35 GMT
With the fees this reduces to 3.17%, before someone asks the fees are 0.075% PM compounded this makes 0.93% annualised so the rate is reduced by this amount. You forgot to compound the 4.1% which is effectively 4.18% so your 3.17% becomes 3.25% This is trivial but shows the confirmation bias that is rampant these days. Please read AC website 4.1% Gross target interest rate p.a. I worked in investment banking for a lot of my life so this is something I will not forget as it is so basic and using 4.1% in my calculations I get very similar number to AC but to an extent it depends on the basis being used.
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Post by rscal on Apr 29, 2020 11:09:40 GMT
('2p per £1000 per day' is another way to think about the charge)
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Post by Harland Kearney on Apr 29, 2020 11:22:11 GMT
I would do the same now ,Transfers wont happen look at all the additional interest Assetz are getting considering we only get 4.1% on our investments that we can,t get access to now.Like most have now missed the best of the Stock market lows Cash is King in reguards to market timing. Hopefully anybody who really did "miss" the market lows (which I don't think have reached bottom safely, but thats a MASSIVE discussion right there) learns to have a large cash holding to be used in deployment from a range instant and fixed cash products backed by the FCSC. It generally pointed out it any investment strat as a requirement, or at least it maybe held in Gold or a short term moneymarket account. AC was never a money market account so wouldn't blame AC for protecting the investments of the underlying portfilio due to a lack of of its own cash inflows.
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Post by df on Apr 29, 2020 12:25:52 GMT
Are Assetz now releasing funds on a first in the queue basis or is it still pooled so we all get the same,reason asking I am not getting much back at all now still looks pooled to me - got £2.34 this morning I’ve got a double amount, £2.34 from 30-day and the same from 90-day. Using two access accounts turned to be beneficial
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Post by chris on Apr 29, 2020 13:17:34 GMT
You forgot to compound the 4.1% which is effectively 4.18% so your 3.17% becomes 3.25% This is trivial but shows the confirmation bias that is rampant these days. Please read AC website 4.1% Gross target interest rate p.a. I worked in investment banking for a lot of my life so this is something I will not forget as it is so basic and using 4.1% in my calculations I get very similar number to AC but to an extent it depends on the basis being used. The 4.1% is calculated as a monthly rate, reinvested the annualised rate is 4.18% to 2dp.
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Post by TitoPuente on Apr 29, 2020 13:19:38 GMT
You forgot to compound the 4.1% which is effectively 4.18% so your 3.17% becomes 3.25% This is trivial but shows the confirmation bias that is rampant these days. Please read AC website 4.1% Gross target interest rate p.a. I worked in investment banking for a lot of my life so this is something I will not forget as it is so basic and using 4.1% in my calculations I get very similar number to AC but to an extent it depends on the basis being used. The "investment banker" is wrong. The 4.1% is the [target] gross annual interest rate. AC uses continuous compounding with monthly capitalisation. £1,000 in the QAA last January have earned £3.488 which is £1,000 * (e^(4.1%/365 * 31) - 1) Yes, it is very basic. Edit: Crossed with chris
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Post by alender on Apr 29, 2020 13:44:03 GMT
Please read AC website 4.1% Gross target interest rate p.a. I worked in investment banking for a lot of my life so this is something I will not forget as it is so basic and using 4.1% in my calculations I get very similar number to AC but to an extent it depends on the basis being used. The 4.1% is calculated as a monthly rate, reinvested the annualised rate is 4.18% to 2dp. Thanks for the info a small amount of good news, could you please tell me why your website
4.1% Gross target interest rate p.a
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(likely actual return) per annum after Provision Fund Contributions
Notes: 4.1 % This target rate is expected to be achieved after taking into account the impact of defaults. This target rate is not subject to further fees, but is before the impact of taxation - you should see the tax statement page for further information on the impact of taxation.
and on the old dashboard
Quick Access Account (Series 1) Per annum gross return 4.10%
This will probably explain why my interest calculation have always been a bit out from that paid, I assumed it was the basis used but I did not realise you were doing a simple interest rate calculation per month.
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Post by alanh on Mar 24, 2021 11:42:51 GMT
I wonder how big the exit queue is these days? Its now been a year since lenders were locked in to the "access" accounts and after all that time there is still no end in sight. The queue is large enough for AC to have come up with the idea of "exit accounts" where they can get rid of these problem investors who would like their money returned to them, although this will take several more years and relies on the loans actually paying back. Alternatively you can just remain in the "access" account forever reinvesting in new loans but without actually being able to get your money out. Once again AC have come up with a way of keeping their gravy train going at the expense of lenders.
AC seem to have completely forgotten the point of P2P lending. Lend money, and when it repays return the repayments to lenders. Why not just do this? Look at Ratesetter - they also had an exit queue in the hundreds of millions but each day for several months they returned repayments to investors and in the end the exit queue was cleared and the accounts were run down. No-one lost any money and it was returned in an orderly and transparent fashion.
The access accounts are in run down and the sooner AC acknowledge this and just get on with giving lenders their money back the better.
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Post by ashtondav on Mar 24, 2021 12:11:42 GMT
I know times are hard and money precious but holy sh1t. It costs £10 per £10,000 to sell on SM.
Is there no end to this?
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