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Post by rollercoaster on May 5, 2020 11:14:50 GMT
I suspect that it'll be an expensive waste of time. We don't have a national identity construct for one thing. Making it mandatory will be a huge battle that is likey to fail. So it'll be optional, and therefore largely useless because of large data gaps.
These things work well in China due to the totalitarian nature. We are not the same.
So I probably won't install it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 11:22:59 GMT
please take part, the rest of us are.
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Post by pikestaff on May 5, 2020 11:23:33 GMT
I suspect that it'll be an expensive waste of time. We don't have a national identity construct for one thing. Making it mandatory will be a huge battle that is likey to fail. So it'll be optional, and therefore largely useless because of large data gaps. These things work well in China due to the totalitarian nature. We are not the same. So I probably won't install it.The app does not require a national identity construct (whatever that is). Be that as it may, I understand it needs about 60% coverage to work well. That's a big ask. If enough people think like you it definitely won't work - in which case we will all be in a harder lockdown for longer than necessary. Please everyone, give it the benefit of the doubt and don't be paranoid. Installing the app (when it's released more widely) will require minimal effort. Just do it.
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Post by davee39 on May 5, 2020 11:26:14 GMT
So people here believe the Brexit liar in chief.
Remember, these are the people who told us not to listen to experts.
Imagine the 'accidental' error where all location data is stored centrally and linked to face recognition, not only will they be able to prove it was you, but they will automatically issue fines to lockdown breakers depending on whatever bizarre rules are in place at the time. Of course, just like speed cameras, the mantra will be 'if you obey the rules you have nothing to fear'.
The scheme will be costly, how about selling data to advertisers, full anonymized of course (?), just to help defray the costs after all the NHS is already pretty free with medical data.
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Post by rollercoaster on May 5, 2020 11:31:31 GMT
We don't know who is in the uk, so we can't really know whether 60% have taken part! And unless my maths has gone wonky, I can't see a 60% take up being sufficient for a contagious disease.
It feels like another distraction from the herd immunity approach, whilst continuing with it. I wish the government would be honest that they are sticking to that approach, like Sweden have been.
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Post by benaj on May 5, 2020 11:33:21 GMT
Unfortunately, I got a feeling this app might not be able to prevent the death of those over 65s. 87% of covid-19 deaths registered in England & Wales are over 65. No one has explained why so many over 65s have died since the lock down measures introduced in week 12. I suspect most over 65s are staying in care homes or isolated themselves, and yet we don't have a clue how many lives these lock down measures have saved.
I hope this app might help us analysing why these vulnerable group got the virus in the first place, but there's a chance we are missing a big chunk of important data.
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Post by cb25 on May 5, 2020 11:35:35 GMT
I suspect that it'll be an expensive waste of time. We don't have a national identity construct for one thing. Making it mandatory will be a huge battle that is likey to fail. So it'll be optional, and therefore largely useless because of large data gaps. These things work well in China due to the totalitarian nature. We are not the same. So I probably won't install it. The app does not require a national identity construct (whatever that is). Be that as it may, I understand it needs about 60% coverage to work well. That's a big ask. If enough people think like you it definitely won't work - in which case we will all be in a harder lockdown for longer than necessary. Please everyone, give it the benefit of the doubt and don't be paranoid. Installing the app (when it's released more widely) will require minimal effort. Just do it. Matt Hancock said in yesterday's press conference there's no link between easing the lock-down and the app.
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Post by james100 on May 5, 2020 11:38:15 GMT
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Post by bernythedolt on May 5, 2020 11:40:43 GMT
So people here believe the Brexit liar in chief. Remember, these are the people who told us not to listen to experts. Imagine the 'accidental' error where all location data is stored centrally and linked to face recognition, not only will they be able to prove it was you, but they will automatically issue fines to lockdown breakers depending on whatever bizarre rules are in place at the time. Of course, just like speed cameras, the mantra will be 'if you obey the rules you have nothing to fear'.The scheme will be costly, how about selling data to advertisers, full anonymized of course (?), just to help defray the costs after all the NHS is already pretty free with medical data. You sound like you're looking for licence to speed! Why is enforcing the law so wrong?
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Post by cb25 on May 5, 2020 11:42:11 GMT
Article ends with "El Reg suspects, quite aside from the public health questions, that its go-live date will be a key moment for seeing just how much trust the public has in the government and civil service of the day"
I agree with that comment.
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Post by Steerpike on May 5, 2020 11:44:01 GMT
As I understand it the idea is to use this app, amongst other measures, to contribute to keeping R0 below 1. It doesn't have to be perfect it just has to help. Disliking the result of the referendum 4 years ago, or the general election last year don't seem like good reasons to boycott systems introduced to help to safely relax the lockdown.
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Post by agent69 on May 5, 2020 12:18:45 GMT
I don't see any real issues with using the app, and (as stated above) I can always leave the phone at home if I am undertaking any nefarious activity.
How about anyone who doesn't use the app goes to the end of the treatment queue if they contract the virus?
Mmm; so suddenly the chief risk factors of Covid 19 are no longer age/ underlying conditions, but rather owning a "dumb" phone or none at all. Really!!!! OK,so we might have to give a concession to those who don't have a 'modern' phone. How about plan B then: people who have the app are allowed out of lockdown earlier than the rest?
We just need a bit of an incentive to get people to do something that will benefit for the majority.
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Post by benaj on May 5, 2020 12:19:10 GMT
The app activation may be helped with cashback, or even a game to win £ 10mil tax free to encourage participation.
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Post by Mike on May 5, 2020 12:45:03 GMT
It feels like another distraction from the herd immunity approach, whilst continuing with it. I wish the government would be honest that they are sticking to that approach, like Sweden have been. Completely agree. Almost all of this "stay at home save the world" has been a PR game to keep people happy. If the government meant that in any way shape or form, they would have done something (anything) with all the people coming in to the UK from all over the world on a daily basis. They send out policemen to fine those going for walks in the Dales, but are quite happy to keep airports open without any checks whatsoever. . . I don't have any issue with herd immunity but they really ought to be more open (and less economically damaging) in their PR The opposition has been so weak for so long, there is now almost no need for any kind of debate on anything - the government need only worry about PR. I will install the app to help get the meltdown over. Will I use it 100% of the time and be sure to carry my phone with me 24/7? Let's see
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Post by IFISAcava on May 5, 2020 12:54:12 GMT
So people here believe the Brexit liar in chief. Remember, these are the people who told us not to listen to experts. Imagine the 'accidental' error where all location data is stored centrally and linked to face recognition, not only will they be able to prove it was you, but they will automatically issue fines to lockdown breakers depending on whatever bizarre rules are in place at the time. Of course, just like speed cameras, the mantra will be 'if you obey the rules you have nothing to fear'. The scheme will be costly, how about selling data to advertisers, full anonymized of course (?), just to help defray the costs after all the NHS is already pretty free with medical data. Not so much like a speed camera - but instead fitting a tracker to your car so they see where you have been at all times just make sure you haven't broken any laws.
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