littleoldlady
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Post by littleoldlady on May 19, 2020 7:55:17 GMT
It's difficult to understand why anything other than NS&I would be considered, at least for instant access? Is NS&I next day payment rather than instant? Very low risk - hesitant to say risk-free given the UK's credit rating. Any FSCS account up to £85000 (watch out for shared cover) is practically just as secure as NS&I. If either fails to pay out your loss of savings will be a minor issue in your life. The main risk is erosion of purchasing power.
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Post by cb25 on May 20, 2020 8:52:39 GMT
Investec is offering 1.35%/1.4% on 12/18 month (resp) fixed term and up to 1.35% for 95 days notice. I haven't saved with them.
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Post by r00lish67 on May 20, 2020 9:21:39 GMT
On the plus side, CPI inflation down to 0.8% today. So, these 1%-ish savings rates perhaps not so bad. I'm personally going to go for Atom bank next - either 1.35% 1-year or 1.45% 2-year. I quite like Atom, very slick. Investec have been good too, but I'm already maxed on the Notice Plus issue 1 (still paying 1.59%, not sure when it's going down).
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Post by aju on May 20, 2020 9:34:58 GMT
On the plus side, CPI inflation down to 0.8% today. So, these 1%-ish savings rates perhaps not so bad. I'm personally going to go for Atom bank next - either 1.35% 1-year or 1.45% 2-year. I quite like Atom, very slick. Investec have been good too, but I'm already maxed on the Notice Plus issue 1 (still paying 1.59%, not sure when it's going down). That helps with ord savings rates above this in some places as you say above. Keeps inflation tax manageable. Hopefully CPI will spike in September as that's when my company pension increases are determined. Mrs Aju will probably fair less well as hers are set from the July dates I think although it's based on RPI so not sure where that will be. Edit: Just noticed Atom has a 7 day funding window, might be a bit of a stretch if there is a hiccough in ones application. It took me nearly 12 days to move money a week or 2 back when Mrs Aju moved funds from Marcus to Ford Money via here LLoyds feeder accounts. Of course smaller sums of money would be easier in other accounts perhaps. Just a thought although getting finds in the right places first would have been a help I suppose.
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Post by oppsididitagain on May 20, 2020 10:54:49 GMT
On the plus side, CPI inflation down to 0.8% today. So, these 1%-ish savings rates perhaps not so bad. I'm personally going to go for Atom bank next - either 1.35% 1-year or 1.45% 2-year. I quite like Atom, very slick. Investec have been good too, but I'm already maxed on the Notice Plus issue 1 (still paying 1.59%, not sure when it's going down). That helps with ord savings rates above this in some places as you say above. Keeps inflation tax manageable. Hopefully CPI will spike in September as that's when my company pension increases are determined. Mrs Aju will probably fair less well as hers are set from the July dates I think although it's based on RPI so not sure where that will be. Edit: Just noticed Atom has a 7 day funding window, might be a bit of a stretch if there is a hiccough in ones application. It took me nearly 12 days to move money a week or 2 back when Mrs Aju moved funds from Marcus to Ford Money via here LLoyds feeder accounts. Of course smaller sums of money would be easier in other accounts perhaps. Just a thought although getting finds in the right places first would have been a help I suppose. Sorry guys I just dont get these fix rates . Even with Inflation at 0.8% you are still only making 0.5% a year. and you are LOCKED IN for a year. So ANY financial opportunity that arises you won't be able to participate. There is talk of negative interest rates which will be really interesting to see how the markets absorbs that. I find it strange the investment logic of people, some have paid a penalty of 1.5% of capital to withdraw from RS, and now are going to fix that money for less than a 1% gain.?? There is even talk of locking your money in for 2 Years at 1.45%. !!! Since this thread was started all stocks markets have gone up 2-10% Look at GOLD look at tech stocks. they are up 20% in a month . Yes it wasn't guaranteed , yes they might go down again, (probably will when this stuff gets resolved) but you can make the 1% you are happy to make in a year in a very short period of time !!! You dont have to stay invested for the year, thats the key. 1 Example, Vodafone annouced they are still going to pay a dividend, the stock was around 108 2weeks ago, its at 127 now.so around 15% rise in 2 weeks and they pay approx 4% divi.. in June. Im not holding out til June I sold out at 125 as I made the 15%. Yes it might go to 140 or 110 - I dont care. Its 15% in 2 weeks its better than 1% fixed for the year. Imagine in 6/9months we start to get back to normal, P2P is alive, the withdrawals have all been stabilised, confidence is back and you can get 4%, would you re invest ? If you answer yes, you won't be able to as you are locked in to your fixed rate. If we get back to normal, where will the stock markets go ? Where will Inflation go ? In 6 months time you have a US election, this will create so many opportunities. In 2021 you have Brexit, again so many opportunities So why not stick it in instant access at 1%, and at least give yourself the chance to seize on opportunities when they arise in the future I have made my thoughts very clear on these fix rates - I think they are a complete waste of time - so Low. I don't come on here to berate, lecture or gloat at people, I come on here to hopefully make you see how your money could work for you in these depressing times. If you made 1% a month thats 12% a year On a side Note JUSTUS.CO a P2P lender is still paying 1.2% on balances in there lending account, they say its client protected, its held with in a Barclays client structure, they are FCA regulated but DYOR If all this is true, this is a good as any access account as long as the platform is alive. Obvs if the platform goes under, you will have to wait a while to get your money back from the client account. If we use Lendy as an example it could be about 2/4 months. I hope I havent offended anyone, it wasn't my intention. Good luck everyone. Be fearful when people are greedy and greedy when people are fearful....WB
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Post by aju on May 20, 2020 11:28:32 GMT
Well you have offended me .... But all that aside, not too sure where you 1.45% for year down to .5% but perhaps I should read it closer. I agree with some of your sentiments except for me it's batten down the hatches time, the banks are all but pulling away from anything useful, stocks are what I would loosely call in mountain and valley mode from week by week. As I have said many times on these threads some of us have a simple and somewhat safe strategy (what is sometimes labelled bearish and some are bullish.) Our strategy wherever possible is to be as far above inflation to basically keep our pensions and the family nestegg as safe as possible. As a result of playing safe we have made ourselve some quite considerable sums. In Zopa we are still in profit but the last year or so has gone down for us even before the virus struck we held on to see if it might recover after a sale last year but it was not looking that brilliant. We are selling out in both Zopa and RS as to be honest the writing is on the wall for our strategy. No I don't mind what you think, others may question your numbers perhpas, but hey everyone is entitled to their slant if it works for you and our slant works for us then for me all is good in all our worlds. PS. I wish Zopa might sell a bit quicker but at least simple returned money is coming in thick and fast every few days there is enough to warrant a withdrawal. There will be a lot that is either stuck temporarily or worse will probably turn to default and to be honest probably be lost (I do factor that into my numbers - I have written them off so returns there will be a bonus). We were a bit late to the RS selling table and as a result are probably looking at a slow old sellout. I've got my fingers crossed that when all the dust settles and we are still alive then we will have a similar situation as after the 2008 bank crisis - where current accounts are the way to make moneys - probably not quite like that but banks will play a number of games that the likes of us will play to the best of our ability too.
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Post by starfished on May 20, 2020 11:57:31 GMT
That helps with ord savings rates above this in some places as you say above. Keeps inflation tax manageable. Hopefully CPI will spike in September as that's when my company pension increases are determined. Mrs Aju will probably fair less well as hers are set from the July dates I think although it's based on RPI so not sure where that will be. Edit: Just noticed Atom has a 7 day funding window, might be a bit of a stretch if there is a hiccough in ones application. It took me nearly 12 days to move money a week or 2 back when Mrs Aju moved funds from Marcus to Ford Money via here LLoyds feeder accounts. Of course smaller sums of money would be easier in other accounts perhaps. Just a thought although getting finds in the right places first would have been a help I suppose. Sorry guys I just dont get these fix rates . Even with Inflation at 0.8% you are still only making 0.5% a year. and you are LOCKED IN for a year. So ANY financial opportunity that arises you won't be able to participate. There is talk of negative interest rates which will be really interesting to see how the markets absorbs that. I find it strange the investment logic of people, some have paid a penalty of 1.5% of capital to withdraw from RS, and now are going to fix that money for less than a 1% gain.?? There is even talk of locking your money in for 2 Years at 1.45%. !!! Since this thread was started all stocks markets have gone up 2-10% Look at GOLD look at tech stocks. they are up 20% in a month . Yes it wasn't guaranteed , yes they might go down again, (probably will when this stuff gets resolved) but you can make the 1% you are happy to make in a year in a very short period of time !!! You dont have to stay invested for the year, thats the key. 1 Example, Vodafone annouced they are still going to pay a dividend, the stock was around 108 2weeks ago, its at 127 now.so around 15% rise in 2 weeks and they pay approx 4% divi.. in June. Im not holding out til June I sold out at 125 as I made the 15%. Yes it might go to 140 or 110 - I dont care. Its 15% in 2 weeks its better than 1% fixed for the year. Imagine in 6/9months we start to get back to normal, P2P is alive, the withdrawals have all been stabilised, confidence is back and you can get 4%, would you re invest ? If you answer yes, you won't be able to as you are locked in to your fixed rate. If we get back to normal, where will the stock markets go ? Where will Inflation go ? In 6 months time you have a US election, this will create so many opportunities. In 2021 you have Brexit, again so many opportunities So why not stick it in instant access at 1%, and at least give yourself the chance to seize on opportunities when they arise in the future I have made my thoughts very clear on these fix rates - I think they are a complete waste of time - so Low. I don't come on here to berate, lecture or gloat at people, I come on here to hopefully make you see how your money could work for you in these depressing times. If you made 1% a month thats 12% a year On a side Note JUSTUS.CO a P2P lender is still paying 1.2% on balances in there lending account, they say its client protected, its held with in a Barclays client structure, they are FCA regulated but DYOR If all this is true, this is a good as any access account as long as the platform is alive. Obvs if the platform goes under, you will have to wait a while to get your money back from the client account. If we use Lendy as an example it could be about 2/4 months. I hope I havent offended anyone, it wasn't my intention. Good luck everyone. Be fearful when people are greedy and greedy when people are fearful....WB While I agree with your sentiment in part surely it depends on what kind of savings you are talking about? Yes for tier 4 savings but not lower tiers... A low fix rate might be appropriate here. Tier 1 - 3 months net salary - Emergency might need it tomorrow (e.g. I need to hire tomorrow an expensive lawyer, as accused of a serious crime I did not commit) Tier 2 - 12 months spend - Emergency over the year (e.g. being made redundant) Tier 3 - Depends on your risk appetite (you would be very annoyed/devastated if you lost it all) Tier 4 - Rest of savings....
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Post by oppsididitagain on May 20, 2020 12:00:15 GMT
Well you have offended me .... But all that aside, not too sure where you 1.45% for year down to .5% but perhaps I should read it closer.I agree with some of your sentiments except for me it's batten down the hatches time, the banks are all but pulling away from anything useful, stocks are what I would loosely call in mountain and valley mode from week by week. As I have said many times on these threads some of us have a simple and somewhat safe strategy (what is sometimes labelled bearish and some are bullish.) Our strategy wherever possible is to be as far above inflation to basically keep our pensions and the family nestegg as safe as possible. As a result of playing safe we have made ourselve some quite considerable sums. In Zopa we are still in profit but the last year or so has gone down for us even before the virus struck we held on to see if it might recover after a sale last year but it was not looking that brilliant. We are selling out in both Zopa and RS as to be honest the writing is on the wall for our strategy. No I don't mind what you think, others may question your numbers perhpas, but hey everyone is entitled to their slant if it works for you and our slant works for us then for me all is good in all our worlds. PS. I wish Zopa might sell a bit quicker but at least simple returned money is coming in thick and fast every few days there is enough to warrant a withdrawal. There will be a lot that is either stuck temporarily or worse will probably turn to default and to be honest probably be lost (I do factor that into my numbers - I have written them off so returns there will be a bonus). We were a bit late to the RS selling table and as a result are probably looking at a slow old sellout. I've got my fingers crossed that when all the dust settles and we are still alive then we will have a similar situation as after the 2008 bank crisis - where current accounts are the way to make moneys - probably not quite like that but banks will play a number of games that the likes of us will play to the best of our ability too. Its the different between Inflation and your fixed rate. My mistake, so with CPI at 0.8% at the moment you are making 0.65% , (1.45-.08 ) I think CPI was 1.5% last month so before today you didn't make anything inflation adjusted - I just hope you can see my point.. Zopa can only sell as fast as people will buy/invest in the loans... FYI My Zopa investments are protected by some sort of PF and I get 0.5% bonus on top of my returns. so Im just leaving that to do its own thing and withdraw the cash when its available. But I think this changed a few years back and isn't the case for new investments so Im not reinvesting with them
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Post by aju on May 20, 2020 12:06:24 GMT
Sorry guys I just dont get these fix rates . Even with Inflation at 0.8% you are still only making 0.5% a year. and you are LOCKED IN for a year. So ANY financial opportunity that arises you won't be able to participate. There is talk of negative interest rates which will be really interesting to see how the markets absorbs that. I find it strange the investment logic of people, some have paid a penalty of 1.5% of capital to withdraw from RS, and now are going to fix that money for less than a 1% gain.?? There is even talk of locking your money in for 2 Years at 1.45%. !!! Since this thread was started all stocks markets have gone up 2-10% Look at GOLD look at tech stocks. they are up 20% in a month . Yes it wasn't guaranteed , yes they might go down again, (probably will when this stuff gets resolved) but you can make the 1% you are happy to make in a year in a very short period of time !!! You dont have to stay invested for the year, thats the key. 1 Example, Vodafone annouced they are still going to pay a dividend, the stock was around 108 2weeks ago, its at 127 now.so around 15% rise in 2 weeks and they pay approx 4% divi.. in June. Im not holding out til June I sold out at 125 as I made the 15%. Yes it might go to 140 or 110 - I dont care. Its 15% in 2 weeks its better than 1% fixed for the year. Imagine in 6/9months we start to get back to normal, P2P is alive, the withdrawals have all been stabilised, confidence is back and you can get 4%, would you re invest ? If you answer yes, you won't be able to as you are locked in to your fixed rate. If we get back to normal, where will the stock markets go ? Where will Inflation go ? In 6 months time you have a US election, this will create so many opportunities. In 2021 you have Brexit, again so many opportunities So why not stick it in instant access at 1%, and at least give yourself the chance to seize on opportunities when they arise in the future I have made my thoughts very clear on these fix rates - I think they are a complete waste of time - so Low. I don't come on here to berate, lecture or gloat at people, I come on here to hopefully make you see how your money could work for you in these depressing times. If you made 1% a month thats 12% a year On a side Note JUSTUS.CO a P2P lender is still paying 1.2% on balances in there lending account, they say its client protected, its held with in a Barclays client structure, they are FCA regulated but DYOR If all this is true, this is a good as any access account as long as the platform is alive. Obvs if the platform goes under, you will have to wait a while to get your money back from the client account. If we use Lendy as an example it could be about 2/4 months. I hope I havent offended anyone, it wasn't my intention. Good luck everyone. Be fearful when people are greedy and greedy when people are fearful....WB While I agree with your sentiment in part surely it depends on what kind of savings you are talking about? Yes for tier 4 savings but not lower tiers... A fix rate might be appropriate here. Tier 1 - 3 months net salary - Emergency might need it tomorrow (e.g. I need to hire tomorrow an expensive lawyer, as accused of a serious crime I did not commit) Tier 2 - 12 months spend - Emergency over the year (e.g. being made redundant) Tier 3 - Depends on your risk appetite (you would be a bit annoyed but not devastated if you lost it all) Tier 4 - Rest of savings.... T1 tick T2 tick although to be fair I cannot be made redundant, daughter had a wedding last year does that count certainly cost more than my last 12 months wage packet but that was over 12 years ago now. T3 tick although Mrs Aju has a much lower appetite than me I'm in charge T4 thats my area I'm working in and in P2P we are a little over exposed but money is returning slowly. Hence my Inflation plus a bit I work with. Very good question though should be interesting to see what the answer is although I don't think I'd ever be a day trader I've got guitars that need playing and a wife that despite being stuck inside still manages to spend daily!. Having not active lends to make in P2P means I do have some slack to play with. Some of them look a bit shady though i'll just go back into my shell I think!.
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Post by aju on May 20, 2020 12:16:24 GMT
Well you have offended me .... But all that aside, not too sure where you 1.45% for year down to .5% but perhaps I should read it closer.I agree with some of your sentiments except for me it's batten down the hatches time, the banks are all but pulling away from anything useful, stocks are what I would loosely call in mountain and valley mode from week by week. As I have said many times on these threads some of us have a simple and somewhat safe strategy (what is sometimes labelled bearish and some are bullish.) Our strategy wherever possible is to be as far above inflation to basically keep our pensions and the family nestegg as safe as possible. As a result of playing safe we have made ourselve some quite considerable sums. In Zopa we are still in profit but the last year or so has gone down for us even before the virus struck we held on to see if it might recover after a sale last year but it was not looking that brilliant. We are selling out in both Zopa and RS as to be honest the writing is on the wall for our strategy. No I don't mind what you think, others may question your numbers perhpas, but hey everyone is entitled to their slant if it works for you and our slant works for us then for me all is good in all our worlds. PS. I wish Zopa might sell a bit quicker but at least simple returned money is coming in thick and fast every few days there is enough to warrant a withdrawal. There will be a lot that is either stuck temporarily or worse will probably turn to default and to be honest probably be lost (I do factor that into my numbers - I have written them off so returns there will be a bonus). We were a bit late to the RS selling table and as a result are probably looking at a slow old sellout. I've got my fingers crossed that when all the dust settles and we are still alive then we will have a similar situation as after the 2008 bank crisis - where current accounts are the way to make moneys - probably not quite like that but banks will play a number of games that the likes of us will play to the best of our ability too. Its the different between Inflation and your fixed rate. My mistake, so with CPI at 0.8% at the moment you are making 0.65% , (1.45-.08 ) I think CPI was 1.5% last month so before today you didn't make anything inflation adjusted - I just hope you can see my point.. Zopa can only sell as fast as people will buy/invest in the loans... FYI My Zopa investments are protected by some sort of PF and I get 0.5% bonus on top of my returns. so Im just leaving that to do its own thing and withdraw the cash when its available. But I think this changed a few years back and isn't the case for new investments so Im not reinvesting with them Yeah but that difference is fine for at this point as it means my nestegg for want of a better term is not getting smaller. I'm due to get my SP in a couple of months so we should be fine I think - over the last 8/9 years our money juggling has made good 4 figure sums so to be honest I'm happy with my lot - we could make more but with the Sp coming in we'll be fine. The charities we support will be fine too and our family will be fine on those numbers too. Even though I can't get the RS money back very fast and Zopa has stalled a little for when I want it I don't need it quickly and thats the point and in my final view the shower that a running the show are destined to screw more things up so it can get much worse when mr sunak runs out of funds and finds the businesses will have to fold too. There is a big wave coming soon, I hope I am wrong, but watching the daily briefing leads me to believe the wall is coming soon. I agree about the selling in p2p, your notion of the PF's though I feel may not be quite as cut and dried as you might think. I too get the 0.5% early adopter but sadly most of that is sucked away by the defaults. It all helps I know but its not the magic bullet people think it is. The interesting thing about the PF in Zopa is that its taking quite a hit from the increased defaults too if my last looks are anything to go by.
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Post by starfished on May 20, 2020 12:19:34 GMT
I tweaked Tier 3 after you picked it up but interesting point about joint managed funds. My instinct is that you would need to manage to the lower of the two's risk appetite or inevitably there is going to be a difficult conversation about where the money has gone at some point...
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Post by dan1 on May 20, 2020 13:06:55 GMT
That helps with ord savings rates above this in some places as you say above. Keeps inflation tax manageable. Hopefully CPI will spike in September as that's when my company pension increases are determined. Mrs Aju will probably fair less well as hers are set from the July dates I think although it's based on RPI so not sure where that will be. Edit: Just noticed Atom has a 7 day funding window, might be a bit of a stretch if there is a hiccough in ones application. It took me nearly 12 days to move money a week or 2 back when Mrs Aju moved funds from Marcus to Ford Money via here LLoyds feeder accounts. Of course smaller sums of money would be easier in other accounts perhaps. Just a thought although getting finds in the right places first would have been a help I suppose. Sorry guys I just dont get these fix rates . Even with Inflation at 0.8% you are still only making 0.5% a year. and you are LOCKED IN for a year. So ANY financial opportunity that arises you won't be able to participate. There is talk of negative interest rates which will be really interesting to see how the markets absorbs that. I find it strange the investment logic of people, some have paid a penalty of 1.5% of capital to withdraw from RS, and now are going to fix that money for less than a 1% gain.?? There is even talk of locking your money in for 2 Years at 1.45%. !!! Since this thread was started all stocks markets have gone up 2-10% Look at GOLD look at tech stocks. they are up 20% in a month . Yes it wasn't guaranteed , yes they might go down again, (probably will when this stuff gets resolved) but you can make the 1% you are happy to make in a year in a very short period of time !!! You dont have to stay invested for the year, thats the key. 1 Example, Vodafone annouced they are still going to pay a dividend, the stock was around 108 2weeks ago, its at 127 now.so around 15% rise in 2 weeks and they pay approx 4% divi.. in June. Im not holding out til June I sold out at 125 as I made the 15%. Yes it might go to 140 or 110 - I dont care. Its 15% in 2 weeks its better than 1% fixed for the year. Imagine in 6/9months we start to get back to normal, P2P is alive, the withdrawals have all been stabilised, confidence is back and you can get 4%, would you re invest ? If you answer yes, you won't be able to as you are locked in to your fixed rate. If we get back to normal, where will the stock markets go ? Where will Inflation go ? In 6 months time you have a US election, this will create so many opportunities. In 2021 you have Brexit, again so many opportunities So why not stick it in instant access at 1%, and at least give yourself the chance to seize on opportunities when they arise in the future I have made my thoughts very clear on these fix rates - I think they are a complete waste of time - so Low. I don't come on here to berate, lecture or gloat at people, I come on here to hopefully make you see how your money could work for you in these depressing times. If you made 1% a month thats 12% a year On a side Note JUSTUS.CO a P2P lender is still paying 1.2% on balances in there lending account, they say its client protected, its held with in a Barclays client structure, they are FCA regulated but DYOR If all this is true, this is a good as any access account as long as the platform is alive. Obvs if the platform goes under, you will have to wait a while to get your money back from the client account. If we use Lendy as an example it could be about 2/4 months. I hope I havent offended anyone, it wasn't my intention. Good luck everyone. Be fearful when people are greedy and greedy when people are fearful....WB The answer lies in risk, my dear boy, risk. I guess that most of the people who read/sign-up/post on this forum found us after something went wrong in their P2P "journey". Many found they were hopelessly over-exposed to risk they simply could not afford to take. There is a place in the market for most types of savings and investment products (except the outright scams) because they fill a need. However, at the end of the day we (global "we", not this forum) can't save people from themselves, and neither can FCA, and arguably that's the correct course because if we knew we'd all get bailed out we'd all go gung hon on the risk front.
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Post by aju on May 20, 2020 14:29:58 GMT
I tweaked Tier 3 after you picked it up but interesting point about joint managed funds. My instinct is that you would need to manage to the lower of the two's risk appetite or inevitably there is going to be a difficult conversation about where the money has gone at some point... You are not wrong on joint managed funds, although to be honest Mrs Aju hasn't a clue what P2P and mostly she has just assumed I know what I am doing, that said Mrs Aju is now using it against me almost everyday. Mind you her overriding philosophy is to spend the money not take it with us to the grave and she mostly has that option still even within lockdown. Somedays I do have to behave like the government and come up with deflecting approaches though but teh spend on ancestry over the last year or so is quite expensive especially as she has been very forensic in checking all the ancestral lines with a fine tooth comb, I think we are propping up half the records offices across the uk but I guess that's another story. To be frank I think I did leave it way too late to pull the P2P plug but we will be ok. I have the last 8/9 years of excellent returns to fall back on across most of our accounts and investments, losing the shares dividends for the next 18 months to 2 years will be a hit too but none of them were ones we relied on. All of it was T4 at worst. I would also point out that even in the case of RS, where they are currently taking a 50% dip out of all our interest returned, it works a lot better than most for us as I was very hands on in getting better than advertised rates across all the invested options. It was a lot more local effort and diligence in finding patterns of reduced lending inflating the rates but it definitely was a better strategy than just investing and letting it ride - to be honest though without the higher rates available this way the risk would have been a miss rather than a hit anyway.
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Post by macq on May 20, 2020 22:40:45 GMT
That helps with ord savings rates above this in some places as you say above. Keeps inflation tax manageable. Hopefully CPI will spike in September as that's when my company pension increases are determined. Mrs Aju will probably fair less well as hers are set from the July dates I think although it's based on RPI so not sure where that will be. Edit: Just noticed Atom has a 7 day funding window, might be a bit of a stretch if there is a hiccough in ones application. It took me nearly 12 days to move money a week or 2 back when Mrs Aju moved funds from Marcus to Ford Money via here LLoyds feeder accounts. Of course smaller sums of money would be easier in other accounts perhaps. Just a thought although getting finds in the right places first would have been a help I suppose. Sorry guys I just dont get these fix rates . Even with Inflation at 0.8% you are still only making 0.5% a year. and you are LOCKED IN for a year. So ANY financial opportunity that arises you won't be able to participate. There is talk of negative interest rates which will be really interesting to see how the markets absorbs that. I find it strange the investment logic of people, some have paid a penalty of 1.5% of capital to withdraw from RS, and now are going to fix that money for less than a 1% gain.?? There is even talk of locking your money in for 2 Years at 1.45%. !!! Since this thread was started all stocks markets have gone up 2-10% Look at GOLD look at tech stocks. they are up 20% in a month . Yes it wasn't guaranteed , yes they might go down again, (probably will when this stuff gets resolved) but you can make the 1% you are happy to make in a year in a very short period of time !!! You dont have to stay invested for the year, thats the key. 1 Example, Vodafone annouced they are still going to pay a dividend, the stock was around 108 2weeks ago, its at 127 now.so around 15% rise in 2 weeks and they pay approx 4% divi.. in June. Im not holding out til June I sold out at 125 as I made the 15%. Yes it might go to 140 or 110 - I dont care. Its 15% in 2 weeks its better than 1% fixed for the year. Imagine in 6/9months we start to get back to normal, P2P is alive, the withdrawals have all been stabilised, confidence is back and you can get 4%, would you re invest ? If you answer yes, you won't be able to as you are locked in to your fixed rate. If we get back to normal, where will the stock markets go ? Where will Inflation go ? In 6 months time you have a US election, this will create so many opportunities. In 2021 you have Brexit, again so many opportunities So why not stick it in instant access at 1%, and at least give yourself the chance to seize on opportunities when they arise in the future I have made my thoughts very clear on these fix rates - I think they are a complete waste of time - so Low. I don't come on here to berate, lecture or gloat at people, I come on here to hopefully make you see how your money could work for you in these depressing times. If you made 1% a month thats 12% a year On a side Note JUSTUS.CO a P2P lender is still paying 1.2% on balances in there lending account, they say its client protected, its held with in a Barclays client structure, they are FCA regulated but DYOR If all this is true, this is a good as any access account as long as the platform is alive. Obvs if the platform goes under, you will have to wait a while to get your money back from the client account. If we use Lendy as an example it could be about 2/4 months. I hope I havent offended anyone, it wasn't my intention. Good luck everyone. Be fearful when people are greedy and greedy when people are fearful....WB As somebody with funds/shares/IT but also a fixed rate bond ladder and the odd better rate 1yr bond l look at it another way.Everything you mention is in a positive way i.e Vodafone has jumped since you bought but some people may look at it being down 50% over 5 years and wish they had taken the fixed rate bond for a smoother ride from that point.Like you say nothing is guaranteed (but you then say everybody can make the 1% they want in a short period of time ) I would assume most people who fix have no intention of using that money on Gold & Tech or what you call opportunities as its wanted as cash for whatever reason they have identified and they want to know it will be there when wanted or they have retired and don't want to gamble or simply don't have the money to invest in the first place but that's not to say people don't invest in the market with "free" money much the same as i do. You ask why people are leaving RS and paying a fee and then earning less the answer is because they don't trust the platform i guess or simply that its now paying less.But anybody who see an opportunity a year ago in p2p and cashed out that instant access account as you suggest is probably wishing they had bought a fixed rate bond instead. Your hindsight is all positive but there's plenty of negative hindsight from the last year or so where people have not made even 1% Bitcoin,Woodford and mini bonds spring to mind The line you use "if you made 1% a month that's 12% a year" reminds me of a similar slogan from a p2p platform and look how that turned out!
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Post by oppsididitagain on May 21, 2020 0:54:53 GMT
You ask why people are leaving RS and paying a fee and then earning less NO - Im asking why people are FIXING their money, doing this rules out ANY opportunity to make more than 1.45% for the next 365 days. (less when Inflation adjusted)
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I appreciate people on this forum have different degrees of investment knowledge.
IMHO access paying 1.2% is much better than fixing at 1.45%. I beleive you will have a chance in the next year to make up the difference between access and fixed ( and probably more ) You dont need to hold a stock, bitcoin, gold, whatever it is for a year. hold it for 1 day if you want. Leave the cash in the access account, then when you see an opportunity use that money , make the 1% you need and put it back in access.
Like you say, people who fix maybe just have no intention of using it, which is a shame as I sense there will be opportunities ahead.
Lets hope these people who are fixing their money, dont have to pay a mortgage with a rate higher than 1.45% !!
Good luck everyone.
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