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Post by michaelc on Jul 1, 2020 16:07:56 GMT
So the press report today that up to 3M people from Hong Kong will be offered residency in the UK if they want it.
How many will want it? Will services be stretched further or will we plan properly and magic up the new doctors etc ? Or perhaps the assimilation might actually increase the number of doctors/nurses and others? Still more buildings and other infrastructure needed though. Will I get more cash for my house ? How will the Right of politics react? They generally don't like China but they don't like immigration too much either.
My own view without knowing much at all about the region is that if you take a look at the globe, it just stares you in the face that Hong Kong, The Falklands and others would naturally be a part of the UK. And their local neighbours should butt out...... We don't have an empire anymore, we don't have much territory at all and we should slowly let go.
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Post by benaj on Jul 1, 2020 16:36:18 GMT
Good question? who really wants it?
In practice, the journey towards securing British citizenship under the proposed new route is not straightforward and may prove costly. Unless they are stateless and at least one parent is a holder of BNO passport, they cannot apply for a BNO passport.
Those under 23 years old will probably don't have a chance for eligibility, Joshua Wong (23yo), Agnes Chow(23 yo) for example are luckily old enough to join the pathway.
Is it an empty gesture? May be.
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Post by cb25 on Jul 2, 2020 7:45:55 GMT
Guardian reporting "China vows to stop UK granting Hongkongers residency"
My view: -if we'd genuinely cared for these HKers, we'd have let them come here when we handed HK back to China
-we've annoyed China -if substantial numbers came here, where would they live? Will they be happy being parked in temporary accommodation for the next 10 years? -would they fit in here? If we make laws they don't like, will they be taking to the streets again?
-will China let them take their money out of the country? -will they be happy doing a fire-sale of their assets, with buyers (knowing they're leaving) offering a pittance?
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Post by agent69 on Jul 2, 2020 8:43:07 GMT
Thousands of people coming here from HK?
- Pros: they all wear face masks all the time, understand the need to stick to the virus prevention rules and many will probably have some imunity via previous exposure to SARS and the like
- Cons: I'm not comfortable giving residencey to people who think throwing petrol bombs and vandalising infrastructure is an acceptable part of protesting.
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Post by Vero on Jul 2, 2020 10:00:59 GMT
I have lived and worked a lot of my life in Hong Kong. It was, pre CCP, one of my favourite places in the world, partly due to the wonderful people.
I'd choose Hong Kong British immigrants over many others. In my experience I found them peaceful, honest and hardworking with a high respect for the law; their own law also being built upon British law.
They are NOT violent, or extremist, or anti-assimilation, unlike others welcomed into this country.
I understand the bad agents amongst recent protestors were not local, rather foreign actors with an agenda; as usual, the media misreported much.
Given the subject matter, though, (potential Chinese government rule) I'd probably want to march (peacefully) too.
As already mentioned, they may in fact include welcome staff for our NHS.
And they already drive on the left, like us!
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Post by cb25 on Jul 2, 2020 10:13:05 GMT
I have lived and worked a lot of my life in Hong Kong. It was, pre CCP, one of my favourite places in the world, partly due to the wonderful people.
I'd choose Hong Kong British immigrants over many others. In my experience I found them peaceful, honest and hardworking with a high respect for the law; their own law also being built upon British law.
They are NOT violent, or extremist, or anti-assimilation, unlike others welcomed into this country.
I understand the bad agents amongst recent protestors were not local, rather foreign actors with an agenda; as usual, the media misreported much.
Given the subject matter, though, (potential Chinese government rule) I'd probably want to march (peacefully) too.
As already mentioned, they may in fact include welcome staff for our NHS.
And they already drive on the left, like us!
Got any proof of that claim? Imo if China had determined that violent protestors were foreign, they'd have been putting that out on the news channels.
Non-violent? Metro shows a protestor stabbing a police officer.
Even if the protests had been entirely peaceful, I think it's unacceptable for protestors anywhere to bring a city to a halt day after day. I'm amazed at the restraint the authorities showed.
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Post by IFISAcava on Jul 2, 2020 10:20:56 GMT
It is perfectly obvious that we voted Leave so that we could replace 3 million EU migrants with 3 million Hong Kong migrants. People knew what they were voting for.
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Post by puddleduck on Jul 2, 2020 10:26:16 GMT
The idea of such a small densely packed island taking in potentially 3 million (more) immigrants, regardless of background seems absolutely insane to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 11:14:17 GMT
Luckily the UK is not at all densly packed and could absorb 300,000 up to 3,000,000 over five years. For instance many northern towns lack entrepreneurs, these guys would stimulate a major raising of energy. If concerned about lack of doctors, I would imagine a lot of them are doctors.
We Brits welcome people especially our friends, why not these?
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Post by agent69 on Jul 2, 2020 11:14:27 GMT
I worked in HK back in the 80's and it was a very nice (but slightly crowded) place.
For me the facts are clear. HK was only ever on loan to UK, and it was always destined to be returned as a fully integrated part of China. I have no issue with peacefull demonstrations saying they want independence, but we all know that isn't going to happen. A soon as the violence started it was inevitable that there would be a crack down, so to a large extent the good people of HK have brought this upon themselves.
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Post by benaj on Jul 2, 2020 11:25:49 GMT
According to a local media in HK,
Interestingly, both Taiwan & Portugal handle the outbreak much better than the UK so far.
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Post by Nomad on Jul 2, 2020 11:37:44 GMT
Luckily the UK is not at all densely packed and could absorb 300,000 up to 3,000,000 over five years. For instance many northern towns lack entrepreneurs, these guys would stimulate a major raising of energy. If concerned about lack of doctors, I would imagine a lot of them are doctors.
We Brits welcome people especially our friends, why not these?
England IS the 2nd most densely packed country in Europe, behind the Netherlands (excluding tiny countries & islands). At least people from HK are used to congestion and tiny living spaces...
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Post by IFISAcava on Jul 2, 2020 11:43:14 GMT
I worked in HK back in the 80's and it was a very nice (but slightly crowded) place.
For me the facts are clear. HK was only ever on loan to UK, and it was always destined to be returned as a fully integrated part of China. I have no issue with peacefull demonstrations saying they want independence, but we all know that isn't going to happen. A soon as the violence started it was inevitable that there would be a crack down, so to a large extent the good people of HK have brought this upon themselves.
Strictly speaking only the New Territories were on loan. Hong Kong itself was British in perpetuity, though pragmatically that was of course unlikely to be sustainable. However it is not irrelevant that China seems to have broken the treaty by which HK was handed back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 12:17:57 GMT
Luckily the UK is not at all densely packed and could absorb 300,000 up to 3,000,000 over five years. For instance many northern towns lack entrepreneurs, these guys would stimulate a major raising of energy. If concerned about lack of doctors, I would imagine a lot of them are doctors.
We Brits welcome people especially our friends, why not these?
England IS the 2nd most densely packed country in Europe, behind the Netherlands (excluding tiny countries & islands). At least people from HK are used to congestion and tiny living spaces... I'm very probably in the minority but I don't believe in England as a country (for instance it has no parliament and very little government). I do believe in Britain and Britain has loads of space. It even has loads of brown field towns with nothing but poverty in them. If you look at where HKs have fled to before they tend to be places where wealth comes as well, the people who flee will be educated, young and probably wealthy. Since many Brits are ill-educated, old and poor it might help. Think Blackpool but pleasant.
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Post by default on Jul 2, 2020 12:41:01 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53258403
"But for ministers, the decision is a testament of the principle that the UK out of the EU can make its own decisions about who arrives and who leaves."
No matter how counter-intuitive or even how ineffectual. We simply do not need yet more immigration. Nor will this affect Chinese aggression whatsoever.
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