jlend
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Post by jlend on Sept 14, 2020 19:11:01 GMT
Is it nonsense given that is what almost all their comms say. as well as their new lending being very small by comparison given the tightened credit criteria. just because you can apply for a loan doesn't mean everyone gets one... No, their CS people tried to placate us by mentioning that they 'had obligations' re lending. They certainly never said that all they were doing was obligated lending, which is pretty different. And obviously not 'everyone' gets a loan. That's not what I said? All that matters is that some people can get them to show that you're talking nonsense. Several users on here have posted lending volume graphs showing that new lending significantly picked up in the last couple of months. I highly doubt RS suddenly had a load of new obligated lending. Rather, they likely increased new lending - which brought A/P/M and 1 Year RYIs to a virtual halt - and this has now reversed, such that RYIs are making good progress again. Regardless, it's pretty indisputable that this is the best result possible for those in the [A/P/M and 1 Year] queue. I don't understand why you're trying to pick a fight over that. You can get an idea of where the new lending has been over the last 3 months from the RS website. So not a great deal of new personal loans via the RS website and other channels. 4% Consumer (this is the unsecured personal lending that Metro are now now picking up and growing again) 1% Asset (winding down) 67% Property (winding down) 27% Other (winding down Giffgaff, family finance etc)
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chris1200
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Post by chris1200 on Sept 14, 2020 19:15:08 GMT
You can get an idea of where the new lending has been over the last 3 months from the AC website. So not a great deal of new personal loans via the RS website and other channels. 4% Consumer (this is the unsecured personal lending that Metro are now now picking up and growing again) 1% Asset (winding down) 67% Property (winding down) 27% Other (winding down Giffgaff, family finance etc) Is 'AC' a typo for 'RS', or am I missing something? Also, where on the website is this info? Would be interested to see a more detailed breakdown given that things appear to have varied quite a bit over the last three months. Although, I suppose this doesn't tell us how much of each lending category was 'obligated' lending in any case...
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Post by beagle on Sept 14, 2020 19:17:38 GMT
im not picking a fight, I am making a comment on a public forum. My opinion is as valid as your one and the evidence I have is worth no less than that of yours, I interpret in the way I do. No need to be rude. Yup, a comment I'm asking you to substantiate - and you're struggling to. Opinions are great; show me some actual evidence that RS was only doing obligated lending (i.e. zero new customer lending) - which was what you claimed - and then your opinion will be 'valid'. We'll see if the queues keep moving nicely for 1 Year and A/P/M. If RS is just doing the same obligated lending it's been doing for a while, we should be moving pretty slowly... obviously the queues will move. See the lending pages and splits. Anyone's opinion is valid as it is exactly that - an opinion. new lending is nominal and it is clear to see.
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chris1200
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Post by chris1200 on Sept 14, 2020 19:21:24 GMT
Yup, a comment I'm asking you to substantiate - and you're struggling to. Opinions are great; show me some actual evidence that RS was only doing obligated lending (i.e. zero new customer lending) - which was what you claimed - and then your opinion will be 'valid'. We'll see if the queues keep moving nicely for 1 Year and A/P/M. If RS is just doing the same obligated lending it's been doing for a while, we should be moving pretty slowly... obviously the queues will move. See the lending pages and splits. Anyone's opinion is valid as it is exactly that - an opinion. new lending is nominal and it is clear to see. Okay, let's try to find some agreement here. My point is that the queues weren't moving, right? Like, really barely at all. We all seemed to agree this was basically because new lending seemed to increase quite significantly compared to the massive drop when all this mess started. But then, quite recently, new lending seems to have decreased and the RYI queue is moving very strongly again. My guess (and it's only a guess) is because RS was already pre-emptively decreasing new lending ahead of this announcement. That pattern will now continue and, potentially, speed up even more. I don't know what you mean by 'new lending is nominal'. As I stated above, it doesn't take much to make a major difference to the RYI queue. What else do you propose is behind the recent dramatic speed-up in RYI processing for A/P/M and 1 Year all of a sudden? Edit: It's also worth noting, of course, that lending 'obligations' will almost certainly gradually decrease over time such that more and more of the re-investment funds go to RYI processing. These obligated lending isn't just going to stay static in terms of amount.
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jlend
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Post by jlend on Sept 14, 2020 19:22:27 GMT
You can get an idea of where the new lending has been over the last 3 months from the AC website. So not a great deal of new personal loans via the RS website and other channels. 4% Consumer (this is the unsecured personal lending that Metro are now now picking up and growing again) 1% Asset (winding down) 67% Property (winding down) 27% Other (winding down Giffgaff, family finance etc) Is 'AC' a typo for 'RS', or am I missing something? Also, where on the website is this info? Would be interested to see a more detailed breakdown given that things appear to have varied quite a bit over the last three months. Although, I suppose this doesn't tell us how much of each lending category was 'obligated' lending in any case... Yep AC was a typo. www.ratesetter.com/invest/investing-with-us/lending-criteriaThe property lending is tranche drawdowns on existing property development loans. Family finance is litigation finance drawdowns. Giffgaff may well be contractual obligations between RS and Giffgaff, but in any case is not huge now in the scale of the other lending.
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chris1200
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Post by chris1200 on Sept 14, 2020 19:25:26 GMT
Yep AC was a typo. www.ratesetter.com/invest/investing-with-us/lending-criteriaThe property lending is tranche drawdowns on existing property development loans. Family finance is litigation finance drawdowns. Giffgaff may well be contractual obligations between RS and Giffgaff, but in any case is not huge now in the scale of the other lending. Thanks! Where on this page does it say that property lending has only been existing loans?
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Post by jlend on Sept 14, 2020 19:40:30 GMT
Yep AC was a typo. www.ratesetter.com/invest/investing-with-us/lending-criteriaThe property lending is tranche drawdowns on existing property development loans. Family finance is litigation finance drawdowns. Giffgaff may well be contractual obligations between RS and Giffgaff, but in any case is not huge now in the scale of the other lending. Thanks! Where on this page does it say that property lending has only been existing loans? RS have mentioned it in the past. For example "We are lending, but at a much-reduced level. We continue to deliver to our existing Property Development Finance customers as they complete their developments because allowing construction to continue where possible is in the interests of borrowers and investors." As you can see from the stats the property development segment made up the largest portion recently. You could ask RS if you wanted to find out how many new property loans were written, if any. Overall lending pre covid ranged from circa 10m to 20m a week, since covid circa 5m to 10m a week. Property lending was building up over time pre covid so there would have been a lot of tranche drawdowns to fund.
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Post by chris1200 on Sept 14, 2020 19:45:29 GMT
Thanks! Where on this page does it say that property lending has only been existing loans? RS have mentioned it in the past. For example "We are lending, but at a much-reduced level. We continue to deliver to our existing Property Development Finance customers as they complete their developments because allowing construction to continue where possible is in the interests of borrowers and investors." As you can see from the stats the property development segment made up the largest portion recently. You could ask RS if you wanted to find out how many new property loans were written, if any. Overall lending pre covid ranged from circa 10m to 20m a week, since covid circa 5m to 10m a week. Property lending was building up over time pre covid so there would have been a lot of tranche drawdowns to fund. Thanks - that’s helpful to know. To be honest, what I’d be most interested in knowing is the extent to which that ‘personal’ category actually increased for the period when RYIs ground to a halt. Anyway - I didn’t mean to get into a debate about this, really. Was just responding to the notion that RS has ONLY been doing obligated lending this whole time, which is patently untrue (even if it’s been the vast majority). I’m lucky that I should be out of A/P/M within the next few days, so I’ll be shutting up.
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Post by jlend on Sept 14, 2020 20:00:28 GMT
RS have mentioned it in the past. For example "We are lending, but at a much-reduced level. We continue to deliver to our existing Property Development Finance customers as they complete their developments because allowing construction to continue where possible is in the interests of borrowers and investors." As you can see from the stats the property development segment made up the largest portion recently. You could ask RS if you wanted to find out how many new property loans were written, if any. Overall lending pre covid ranged from circa 10m to 20m a week, since covid circa 5m to 10m a week. Property lending was building up over time pre covid so there would have been a lot of tranche drawdowns to fund. Thanks - that’s helpful to know. To be honest, what I’d be most interested in knowing is the extent to which that ‘personal’ category actually increased for the period when RYIs ground to a halt. Anyway - I didn’t mean to get into a debate about this, really. Was just responding to the notion that RS has ONLY been doing obligated lending this whole time, which is patently untrue (even if it’s been the vast majority). I’m lucky that I should be out of A/P/M within the next few days, so I’ll be shutting up. I assume RS wanted to keep the personal lending ticking over at a very low level so they could restart it at some stage. That is what I would have done. 64% of the loan book is currently personal loans, but only 4% of new lending over the last 3 months was personal loans. 4% less lending wouldn't have made a great deal of difference to RYI and may have made the Metro deal even harder to pull off if RS had said they had completely stopped personal lending since covid.
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Post by chris1200 on Sept 14, 2020 20:16:21 GMT
Thanks - that’s helpful to know. To be honest, what I’d be most interested in knowing is the extent to which that ‘personal’ category actually increased for the period when RYIs ground to a halt. Anyway - I didn’t mean to get into a debate about this, really. Was just responding to the notion that RS has ONLY been doing obligated lending this whole time, which is patently untrue (even if it’s been the vast majority). I’m lucky that I should be out of A/P/M within the next few days, so I’ll be shutting up. I assume RS wanted to keep the personal lending ticking over at a very low level so they could restart it at some stage. That is what I would have done. 64% of the loan book is currently personal loans, but only 4% of new lending over the last 3 months was personal loans. 4% less lending wouldn't have made a great deal of difference to RYI and may have made the Metro deal even harder to pull off if RS had said they had completely stopped personal lending since covid. My point was more that these are figures for the last three months (or, likely, Jun-Aug). But there was a period of a few weeks from mid-July when new lending went up and RYIs ground to a halt. I wonder if - for these weeks at least - personal lending actually increased up to something more like 10%. Absent this deal, that could have continued or even increased. But, instead, that 10% going to RYIs instead really is a big difference, considering that A/P/M seemed to be getting maybe only a few hundred thousand every week (given that 10% of lending at that time would be c.£3m/month). Edit: Actually, if it’s like the stats page, it could be for May-Jul. In which case it really wouldn’t take much account of the period I’m talking about in the three-month average.
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Post by aju on Sept 14, 2020 23:34:31 GMT
I assume RS wanted to keep the personal lending ticking over at a very low level so they could restart it at some stage. That is what I would have done. 64% of the loan book is currently personal loans, but only 4% of new lending over the last 3 months was personal loans. 4% less lending wouldn't have made a great deal of difference to RYI and may have made the Metro deal even harder to pull off if RS had said they had completely stopped personal lending since covid. My point was more that these are figures for the last three months (or, likely, Jun-Aug). But there was a period of a few weeks from mid-July when new lending went up and RYIs ground to a halt. I wonder if - for these weeks at least - personal lending actually increased up to something more like 10%. Absent this deal, that could have continued or even increased. But, instead, that 10% going to RYIs instead really is a big difference, considering that A/P/M seemed to be getting maybe only a few hundred thousand every week (given that 10% of lending at that time would be c.£3m/month). Edit: Actually, if it’s like the stats page, it could be for May-Jul. In which case it really wouldn’t take much account of the period I’m talking about in the three-month average. I have the weekly LV (Lending Volume) figures if it helps, whilst I have the access, I keep updating it when I remember. RS has stated that lending volume is new lending to borrowers so its probably showing the borrowing up tick. Its not possible to split it out by types though.
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