dead-money
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Post by dead-money on Aug 17, 2020 15:29:43 GMT
Discount required to sell £10,000 of Access Account holdings:
Wednesday 12/08/20: evening 8%, 9%, 10% Thursday 13/08/20: 8am until 8pm 6.6%, 9.25% 7.6%, 6.8%, 8.2%, 8.3% Friday 14/08/20: 9am 7.3%, 11am 5.5%, 12 noon 6.5%, 5pm 6%, overnight 6.8%
Saturday 15/08/20: 8am 6.1% 6pm 6.6%
Sunday 16/08/20: 8am 6.0% 6pm 6.6%
Monday 17/08/20 9am 6.3% 12 noon 6.8% 5pm 6.6 %
Tuesday 18/08/20 9am 6.5% 12 noon % 5pm %
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Aug 17, 2020 18:35:48 GMT
I've some time served withdrawals from the 30DAA which I've not converted to QAA, they're just sitting there in no-man's land. Anyone know if they receive interest and if they do how much, is it QAA or the 30DAA rate?
Anyone know when repayments come in where are they applied, equally on eveything(unlikely), on your highest, discount lowest?
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Post by Ace on Aug 17, 2020 18:46:56 GMT
I've some time served withdrawals from the 30DAA which I've not converted to QAA, they're just sitting there in no-man's land. Anyone know if they receive interest and ow much the QAA or the 30DAA?Anyone know when repayments come in where are they applied, equally on eveything(unlikely), on your highest, discount lowest? They'll be earning the 30DAA rate until the withdrawal succeeds. Not sure of the answer to your other question.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 17, 2020 18:53:57 GMT
I've some time served withdrawals from the 30DAA which I've not converted to QAA, they're just sitting there in no-man's land. Anyone know if they receive interest and ow much the QAA or the 30DAA? Anyone know when repayments come in where are they applied, equally on eveything(unlikely), on your highest, discount lowest? Time served receive interest at the rate for the account they are in, so in this case 30DAA. Good question, don't actually know. I suspect the sum you are due pro rata to your total holdings would then be applied pro rata to your withdrawal requests. AIUI discount level wouldn't be a factor.
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Post by angel19 on Aug 17, 2020 21:12:16 GMT
Before the secondary market came in all par repayments were applied to the earliest withdrawal first.
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Post by lobster on Aug 18, 2020 10:25:59 GMT
I took the plunge yesterday (17th Aug) and invested £1,000 in the QAA , grabbing myself a 6.8% discount, and so £1,073 was duly credited to my QAA account.
Of this £1,073 , £953 was actually invested in loans and the remaining £120 held as cash, which is in line with other posters suggesting about 11.2% of free cash in the QAA (currently). Anyway, a few other posters here have been concerned about QAA investments buying a large proportion of "duff" loans , so I did a quick breakdown of allocations vs. "Capital Valuations" (CV's) , and came up with the following:
Of the £953 actually invested : A total of 2.4% was invested in loans with CV less than 80% A total of 5.5% was invested in loans with CV less than 90% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 80%) A total of 7.2% was invested in loans with CV less than 99% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 90% and 80%)
Therefore 100 - 7.2 = 92.8% were invested in loans with CV greater than 99% , which to my mind is pretty decent value, considering the 6.8% discount and the 11.2% free cash, although I do understand that free cash can easily fluctuate.
I'm considering investing more, but before doing so , I'd appreciate any thoughts on the above "back of a fag packet" analysis.
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Post by blender on Aug 18, 2020 11:45:48 GMT
I took the plunge yesterday (17th Aug) and invested £1,000 in the QAA , grabbing myself a 6.8% discount, and so £1,073 was duly credited to my QAA account. Of this £1,073 , £953 was actually invested in loans and the remaining £120 held as cash, which is in line with other posters suggesting about 11.2% of free cash in the QAA (currently). Anyway, a few other posters here have been concerned about QAA investments buying a large proportion of "duff" loans , so I did a quick breakdown of allocations vs. "Capital Valuations" (CV's) , and came up with the following: Of the £953 actually invested : A total of 2.4% was invested in loans with CV less than 80% A total of 5.5% was invested in loans with CV less than 90% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 80%) A total of 7.2% was invested in loans with CV less than 99% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 90% and 80%) Therefore 100 - 7.2 = 92.8% were invested in loans with CV greater than 99% , which to my mind is pretty decent value, considering the 6.8% discount and the 11.2% free cash, although I do understand that free cash can easily fluctuate. I'm considering investing more, but before doing so , I'd appreciate any thoughts on the above "back of a fag packet" analysis. Yes, looks like fantastic value. I think you should buy up everything down to 5% and then wait a bit for the offers to recover .
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Post by james1100 on Aug 18, 2020 11:49:22 GMT
can't fault your numbers - i have a QAA with 1251 quid, untouched by any recent purchases. It shows 11.16% cash and 7.24% of loans with a capital valuation of less than 99%.
as a double check my ISA QAA has north of 5 grand in it and I have been buying some discounted parts - that shows exactly the same ratios
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 18, 2020 12:13:02 GMT
I took the plunge yesterday (17th Aug) and invested £1,000 in the QAA , grabbing myself a 6.8% discount, and so £1,073 was duly credited to my QAA account. Of this £1,073 , £953 was actually invested in loans and the remaining £120 held as cash, which is in line with other posters suggesting about 11.2% of free cash in the QAA (currently). Anyway, a few other posters here have been concerned about QAA investments buying a large proportion of "duff" loans , so I did a quick breakdown of allocations vs. "Capital Valuations" (CV's) , and came up with the following: Of the £953 actually invested : A total of 2.4% was invested in loans with CV less than 80% A total of 5.5% was invested in loans with CV less than 90% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 80%) A total of 7.2% was invested in loans with CV less than 99% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 90% and 80%) Therefore 100 - 7.2 = 92.8% were invested in loans with CV greater than 99% , which to my mind is pretty decent value, considering the 6.8% discount and the 11.2% free cash, although I do understand that free cash can easily fluctuate. I'm considering investing more, but before doing so , I'd appreciate any thoughts on the above "back of a fag packet" analysis. That's the market for you. If the market is right the case for buying is equal to the case for selling, taking in risk, reward etc.
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Post by rscal on Aug 18, 2020 12:43:44 GMT
My options to buy at 6.8% at 18.18 and at 7% at 18.19 were taken up on Mon 18/08
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Post by picnicman on Aug 18, 2020 12:44:23 GMT
I took the plunge yesterday (17th Aug) and invested £1,000 in the QAA , grabbing myself a 6.8% discount, and so £1,073 was duly credited to my QAA account. Of this £1,073 , £953 was actually invested in loans and the remaining £120 held as cash, which is in line with other posters suggesting about 11.2% of free cash in the QAA (currently). Anyway, a few other posters here have been concerned about QAA investments buying a large proportion of "duff" loans , so I did a quick breakdown of allocations vs. "Capital Valuations" (CV's) , and came up with the following: Of the £953 actually invested : A total of 2.4% was invested in loans with CV less than 80% A total of 5.5% was invested in loans with CV less than 90% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 80%) A total of 7.2% was invested in loans with CV less than 99% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 90% and 80%) Therefore 100 - 7.2 = 92.8% were invested in loans with CV greater than 99% , which to my mind is pretty decent value, considering the 6.8% discount and the 11.2% free cash, although I do understand that free cash can easily fluctuate. I'm considering investing more, but before doing so , I'd appreciate any thoughts on the above "back of a fag packet" analysis. lobster - nice to see you have good grip on things!! I assume you did your analysis from downloading your loan holdings from each account, as I cannot immediately see any other way of doing it using the sorts? Can you let me know? Cheers P
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Post by cb25 on Aug 18, 2020 13:21:12 GMT
Buy discount down to 5.9%. I wonder how much of the recently distributed AA cash went straight back into the Access Accounts at discount, which could be a cause of the lower rate.
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Post by lobster on Aug 18, 2020 14:35:34 GMT
I took the plunge yesterday (17th Aug) and invested £1,000 in the QAA , grabbing myself a 6.8% discount, and so £1,073 was duly credited to my QAA account. Of this £1,073 , £953 was actually invested in loans and the remaining £120 held as cash, which is in line with other posters suggesting about 11.2% of free cash in the QAA (currently). Anyway, a few other posters here have been concerned about QAA investments buying a large proportion of "duff" loans , so I did a quick breakdown of allocations vs. "Capital Valuations" (CV's) , and came up with the following: Of the £953 actually invested : A total of 2.4% was invested in loans with CV less than 80% A total of 5.5% was invested in loans with CV less than 90% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 80%) A total of 7.2% was invested in loans with CV less than 99% (this includes the above loans with CV less than 90% and 80%) Therefore 100 - 7.2 = 92.8% were invested in loans with CV greater than 99% , which to my mind is pretty decent value, considering the 6.8% discount and the 11.2% free cash, although I do understand that free cash can easily fluctuate. I'm considering investing more, but before doing so , I'd appreciate any thoughts on the above "back of a fag packet" analysis. lobster - nice to see you have good grip on things!! I assume you did your analysis from downloading your loan holdings from each account, as I cannot immediately see any other way of doing it using the sorts? Can you let me know? Cheers P picnicman - sorry , not sure I fully understand. I just downloaded my QAA holding and all the data is right there ie. the Capital Valuation for each loan and your QAA holding for each loan. That's all I used for the calculations. (All access accounts have exactly the same proportions of each loan and free cash).
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Post by picnicman on Aug 18, 2020 15:13:49 GMT
lobster - nice to see you have good grip on things!! I assume you did your analysis from downloading your loan holdings from each account, as I cannot immediately see any other way of doing it using the sorts? Can you let me know? Cheers P picnicman - sorry , not sure I fully understand. I just downloaded my QAA holding and all the data is right there ie. the Capital Valuation for each loan and your QAA holding for each loan. That's all I used for the calculations. (All access accounts have exactly the same proportions of each loan and free cash). lobster - That is what I thought, but was just checking in case you had found some way to do the analysis whilst logged in to your account, which I thought you could not and have confirmed with your reply so thanks - I did my own downloads on the 3 accounts I have and came up with the same analysis as you, so your fag packet was fine!! Cheers P
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Aug 18, 2020 15:29:48 GMT
picnicman - sorry , not sure I fully understand. I just downloaded my QAA holding and all the data is right there ie. the Capital Valuation for each loan and your QAA holding for each loan. That's all I used for the calculations. (All access accounts have exactly the same proportions of each loan and free cash). lobster - That is what I thought, but was just checking in case you had found some way to do the analysis whilst logged in to your account, which I thought you could not and have confirmed with your reply so thanks - I did my own downloads on the 3 accounts I have and came up with the same analysis as you, so your fag packet was fine!! Cheers P
Some time back I'm sure it was said that if you bought £1 or £10 of the AA you might not get exactly the same proportions as someone else, I think this might've been true up to about £100. Can anyone confirm if this is still the case?
I think this was the situation as units were traded "silently" in the background to get everyone roughly/almost equal but roughly meant that at the £10 and £100 level small inconsistencies would show up.
But with no new loans being added for now, perhaps this isn't the case any more?
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