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Post by Harland Kearney on Aug 10, 2020 16:33:50 GMT
I've had my fair share of rubbery burgers from spoons. This time though it was much better, I wounder why
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Post by jasonnewman on Aug 10, 2020 16:48:50 GMT
I have been trying to exit from GBBA2 and Assetz platform since it was suddenly cancelled by AC. I have no trust in this company whatsoever. dovap / JamesFrance - hear what you're saying, but ... The OP has previously stated they have their life savings in an access account and they just want it back. The Marketplace would afford them that opportunity. Yes, a discount is likely required but given the OP's often repeated forecasts of AC's imminent and disastrous demise, I'd wouldn't be surprised if the OP felt that a 5 or even 10% discount was good value. jasonnewman - will you be utilising the Marketplace when / if it launches on Wednesday?If we were March 2020 I would use the facility - The facility they have taken AGEs to build is no use anymore for the large majority in my opinion. The people selling their loans at a discount will free up the queue and help the rest of us selling at PAR. Those selling at large discounts are either desperate for cash or a bit dim in my opinion. Seems rather a silly thing to have on the platform now that it is apparent the UK government is throwing all sorts of stimulus and support to people in the UK, overtime the businesses will recover and most loans will be paid back in full is my assessment of things. The loans that default will likely be covered by the excess cash buffer. The people at AC just need to continue doing what they have been doing the last few weeks - allow withdrawals on a pro-rated basis, stop fiddling with the system. It was working! I don't want to come here and have a rant, just let the thing work as it has been!
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Post by agent69 on Aug 10, 2020 16:51:05 GMT
Well, things were looking quite rosy this week:
- I've had a half price steak and chips in Weatherspoons (other eating establishments are available) today that wasn't dry and rubbery
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How were the carpets? Whenever I've been forced into a 'Spoons the carpets tended to be stickier than the bbq'd ribs ... Hopefully shutdown would have provided plenty of opportunity to get the shampooers in.
Carpets? What sort of a posh boy establishment do you normally frequent?
My local Weatherspoons is a converted former stage coach Inn, where they have only recently got rid of the saw dust on the floor.
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Post by iRobot on Aug 10, 2020 17:14:06 GMT
How were the carpets? Whenever I've been forced into a 'Spoons the carpets tended to be stickier than the bbq'd ribs ... Hopefully shutdown would have provided plenty of opportunity to get the shampooers in.
Carpets? What sort of a posh boy establishment do you normally frequent?
My local Weatherspoons is a converted former stage coach Inn, where they have only recently got rid of the saw dust on the floor.
Only been to the one and its adoption of carpets when pretty much every other boozer I've frequented has taken the 'stripped floorboards' approach (original or otherwise) is what made it remarkable. I thought at the time that perhaps the Big Boss felt having dark carpets which absorbed and hid the various fluids it would have to deal with was a good thing .... (Bristol Waterfront and it was a few years ago now. Maybe they've seen the folly of their ways and reverted to type - a 'Spoons is still a 'Spoons however plush the flooring.)
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Post by Harland Kearney on Aug 10, 2020 17:24:23 GMT
dovap / JamesFrance - hear what you're saying, but ... The OP has previously stated they have their life savings in an access account and they just want it back. The Marketplace would afford them that opportunity. Yes, a discount is likely required but given the OP's often repeated forecasts of AC's imminent and disastrous demise, I'd wouldn't be surprised if the OP felt that a 5 or even 10% discount was good value. jasonnewman - will you be utilising the Marketplace when / if it launches on Wednesday? If we were March 2020 I would use the facility - The facility they have taken AGEs to build is no use anymore for the large majority in my opinion. The people selling their loans at a discount will free up the queue and help the rest of us selling at PAR. Those selling at large discounts are either desperate for cash or a bit dim in my opinion. Seems rather a silly thing to have on the platform now that it is apparent the UK government is throwing all sorts of stimulus and support to people in the UK, overtime the businesses will recover and most loans will be paid back in full is my assessment of things. The loans that default will likely be covered by the excess cash buffer. The people at AC just need to continue doing what they have been doing the last few weeks - allow withdrawals on a pro-rated basis, stop fiddling with the system. It was working! I don't want to come here and have a rant, just let the thing work as it has been! I near enough agree with everything in this post, is this even Jason!? Yes the SM hopefully will push out some withdrawals and have ppl hold. It will also introduce some liquidity due to flippers, which isn't a bad thing per say. The SM will have a role to play in returning the AA back to some form of normaility. I believe AC are continuing repayments via pro-rated according to their emails, but yes its all being "held" or whatever one wants to call it until wednesday. (implied at least)
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Post by dead-money on Aug 10, 2020 17:59:33 GMT
Look on the bright side. Once the Marketplace is in operation, you'll be able to use it to extract yourself from AC in totality and then wave goodbye and say good riddance to AC permanently. Who knows, that sentiment may even be reciprocated elsewhere. unless you're lucky enough to hold some of those other zombie accounts I guess - now if they'd wrap that junk into this new market offering then there'd be even more bargains up for grabs. dovap with the Access accouts we all have the same proportion of defaults and suspended loans, sadly with PSA, GBBA, etc. each lender has their own unique pile of poo.
Although having been browsing a few other P2P subforums, lack of true due diligence and allowing investment in Don Quixote Windmill developments isn't just a AC issue.
'Green' energy seems too attract charlatans and carpetbaggers like flies to .
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Post by ashtondav on Aug 11, 2020 7:23:16 GMT
The sooner p2p rids itself of the deluded dumb money that thought they were getting 4%+ with no risk the better.
Thr risk free instant rate is c1%. So if you’re getting out with an earned rate of 2% you’re doing very very well.
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Post by tjtl on Aug 11, 2020 7:48:09 GMT
We will see if the AA marketplace makes any difference- but I applaud AC for trying something new (and I already can hear the criticism from some quarters when it doesn't function exactly as they would like it immediately). Reverting to the title of the thread I view AC as one of the better run platforms. We have all seen a lengthy list of platforms crash and burn, and those that have survived have had to adapt, innovate, change- and in doing so have inevitably pi$$ed some investors off. That is what happens when a once-in-a-hundred (or whatever you want) year event happens. Management quality across all platforms was, to put it nicely, mixed- AC's management to my eye seem to have learnt the hard way battling tough conditions. Whatever management teams do they will not satisfy everybody. They that thought they were getting a risk-free-savings rate some 50 times greater than that they got from their high street bank are more comfortable blaming the management rather than themselves. AA management may not be titans of industry, but I think they score a decent B- (and in today's world, you don't sit exams to get exam grades!).
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Post by agent69 on Aug 11, 2020 8:11:43 GMT
The sooner p2p rids itself of the deluded dumb money that thought they were getting 4%+ with no risk the better. Thr risk free instant rate is c1%. So if you’re getting out with an earned rate of 2% you’re doing very very well. I remember the good old days when the dumb and deluded thought they were getting 12%+ with no risk
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Post by dave4 on Aug 11, 2020 8:57:28 GMT
The sooner p2p rids itself of the deluded dumb money that thought they were getting 4%+ with no risk the better. Thr risk free instant rate is c1%. So if you’re getting out with an earned rate of 2% you’re doing very very well. I remember the good old days when the bumb and deluded thought they were getting 12%+ with no risk 12% and more return ads are still popping up on social media ect. In Fact more and more as the world economy burns??? Apparently wind /solar/ wave, meds, trees, agri, land on a foreign barren hillside for holl let's,timeshare ect are still where the real returns are now .......
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Post by agent69 on Aug 11, 2020 9:44:21 GMT
I remember the good old days when the bumb and deluded thought they were getting 12%+ with no risk 12% and more return ads are still popping up on social media ect. In Fact more and more as the world economy burns??? Apparently wind /solar/ wave, meds, trees, agri, land on a foreign barren hillside for holl let's,timeshare ect are still where the real returns are now ....... Los Pandos vineyard - remember it well (but fortunately didn't invest).
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Post by andy5 on Aug 14, 2020 21:29:14 GMT
- Wednesday is looking like a bumper day for AC with all the repayments that we have seen over the last week, and a chance to shift my remaining QAA holdings at a modest discount.
Bumper day? All the repayments? The dribble of my withdrawals from the 90 day notice account has reached more than 200 days from the request, and Wednesday's bumper instalment was 1.4% of the request size
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Post by andy5 on Aug 14, 2020 21:41:43 GMT
The sooner p2p rids itself of the deluded dumb money that thought they were getting 4%+ with no risk the better. Thr risk free instant rate is c1%. So if you’re getting out with an earned rate of 2% you’re doing very very well. There's certainly a high class of snobby insults from some people here. Nobody thought it was no risk, but perhaps there is scope for some more people than just a few nutty paranoids to think that the so-called unusual market conditions may have become a route for the people who want to stay on the platform to have a chance to exploit those leaving.
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Post by andy5 on Aug 14, 2020 21:54:07 GMT
I remember the good old days when the bumb and deluded thought they were getting 12%+ with no risk 12% and more return ads are still popping up on social media ect. In Fact more and more as the world economy burns??? Apparently wind /solar/ wave, meds, trees, agri, land on a foreign barren hillside for holl let's,timeshare ect are still where the real returns are now ....... Maybe you've got that timing wrong, or are talking only about possibly dodgy deals. It is fact that there was a time when the feed-in tariffs offered wind turbines and solar in the order of 14% return on capital, as I saw in the prospective details for the solar on a friend's workshop roof (and it is subsequently paying that). So, with returns of 14%, lending them money at 8% to help their gearing might have seemed a relatively agreeable idea. Unfortunately it transpired that the last round of wind turbines on AC's platform have not existed. I later asked AC about their processes of due diligence on the way into these deals. Does that make me dumb, or AC itself on our behalf?
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Post by agent69 on Aug 15, 2020 8:09:35 GMT
- Wednesday is looking like a bumper day for AC with all the repayments that we have seen over the last week, and a chance to shift my remaining QAA holdings at a modest discount.
Bumper day? All the repayments? The dribble of my withdrawals from the 90 day notice account has reached more than 200 days from the request, and Wednesday's bumper instalment was 1.4% of the request size But I did manage to shift all my QAA holdings at around 6% discount. Not ideal, but I'm glad to be rid of them. So on AC I just have:
- MLIA - about £25 in everyones favourite South Coast plumber
- GBBA2 - about £30 worth of unsellable dross.
Happy days
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