mogish
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Post by mogish on Aug 25, 2020 13:53:02 GMT
Hi all. First post on the forum after lurking for the last year. Having read earlier posts te 30daa and 90daa, what are the advantages and disadvantages of staying invested these accounts. Presume the only way to exit quicker is by a transfer to was and offer a discount? Thanks in advance for replies as I've prob left it a bit late in joining the party.
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garfield
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Post by garfield on Aug 25, 2020 14:08:29 GMT
Hi all. First post on the forum after lurking for the last year. Having read earlier posts te 30daa and 90daa, what are the advantages and disadvantages of staying invested these accounts. Presume the only way to exit quicker is by a transfer to was and offer a discount? Thanks in advance for replies as I've prob left it a bit late in joining the party. Hi mogish, you are still required to give the requisite notice on each of these accounts. In this and in every other regard, nothing has changed.
If you Xfer to cash, a par withdrawal will be set up via the QAA and you'll be in a queue, else you'll need to offer the going rate as a discount.
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Post by warn on Aug 25, 2020 14:15:57 GMT
Hi all. First post on the forum after lurking for the last year. Having read earlier posts te 30daa and 90daa, what are the advantages and disadvantages of staying invested these accounts. Presume the only way to exit quicker is by a transfer to was and offer a discount? Thanks in advance for replies as I've prob left it a bit late in joining the party. Assuming you typed 'QAA' and were auto-corrected, then yes (for those funds that have served their 30- or 90-day indenture), that's the quicker way out. Once they're in the QAA, you can discount when, and at which level, you choose. The pro is that you can discount (at currently a double-digit level if you think it advisable) to sell out. The con is that you'll receive (again currently) 0.25%-0.35% less interest.
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Post by tjtl on Aug 25, 2020 14:22:50 GMT
I have tended to be a supporter of the management, but as others have eloquently pointed out today has been a bit of a car-crash. The choreography of the secondary market opening, and the news today, is all wrong. IRobot makes the point in an earlier post that today's news should have preceded the SM , not followed it- there will be a fair-few investors who will be justifiably furious. Markets hate surprises and tend to over-react. My guess is that has happened here. I personally would be astonished if the double-digit discounts remain- I would buy more if I didn't already have over £220k on the platform and am having to explain to myself why I cannot access it every day. We can all look in to our own crystal balls, but assuming Stuart is being truthful (and I have no reason to doubt that, there may have been errors of omission, not of commission, and of screw-ups), then I would expect the discounts to narrow to where we were before today's panic attack. But my advice to the Assetz management team is to go and listen to some RadioHead - "no alarms and no surprises" - that is what we want. Well done to Stuart for posting so quickly on this site- but it would have been much better if the changes could all have been put through at once.
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mogish
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Post by mogish on Aug 25, 2020 14:23:46 GMT
Thanks for the quick replies. So apart from the interest rate reduction there are no other reasons to stay in either 30 or 90 day accounts? Is the pf cover the same over any account?
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Post by Harland Kearney on Aug 25, 2020 14:44:20 GMT
Seems like the kind of news that could have been referred to in the update news, rather than a mass email that creates another rush to sell at steeper discounts due to unknown factors cus lack of stats.. Now that the SM has created the AA into a market type product, for the time being, these types of announcements play havoc on the system.
I was hoping to reduce my exposure by 50% & cash out between 3-4% discount, possibly some 5% as the situation was looking a little rosier. I doubt that will be happening now, double digits could be viewed as an overreaction. But that's only if you take the view that AC doesn't release anymore massively emailed bad news. They seem to enjoy communication that sounds bad, without any actual figures to assess just how bad which then creates some level of panic on investors (see today, see above questions about actual stats)
I can't assess how bad the PF could be, or if this is just an exercise in FCA ass-covering and the PF really isn't in all that much heat as we'd like to think. Because we don't know, investors rightfully usually go for the worst case possible and flee, understandable given what we have seen so far in P2P during COVID.
Stuart I certainly hope you bring us through this, I want to always have a level of investment in AC but now that I am overexposed and the discount is double digits it is increasingly difficult to defend the system, let alone justify the risk. It is what it is currently.
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Post by jlend on Aug 25, 2020 14:44:56 GMT
Thanks for the quick replies. So apart from the interest rate reduction there are no other reasons to stay in either 30 or 90 day accounts? Is the pf cover the same over any account? This is taken directly from the AC website and may help you "Due to the 90DAA target interest rate being higher than either the QAA or the 30DAA, the contributions to the 90DAA Provision Fund will be smaller than the contributions to the Provision Funds of those other accounts. This means that the 90DAA Provision Fund will not grow as quickly as the Provision Funds of other accounts which offer a lower target interest rate. The size of any Provision Fund directly affects the coverage which it can provide in the event of loss."
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Post by savernake on Aug 25, 2020 14:45:30 GMT
I really hope something comes from this. Since Covid-19, being an investor with AC feels like being trapped on a never-ending roller coaster ride.
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Post by IFISAcava on Aug 25, 2020 15:07:18 GMT
Thanks for the quick replies. So apart from the interest rate reduction there are no other reasons to stay in either 30 or 90 day accounts? Is the pf cover the same over any account? This is taken directly from the AC website and may help you "Due to the 90DAA target interest rate being higher than either the QAA or the 30DAA, the contributions to the 90DAA Provision Fund will be smaller than the contributions to the Provision Funds of those other accounts. This means that the 90DAA Provision Fund will not grow as quickly as the Provision Funds of other accounts which offer a lower target interest rate. The size of any Provision Fund directly affects the coverage which it can provide in the event of loss." But for every pound less into the 90-day PF, that is £1 more in your pocket. Swings and roundabouts, better a bird in the hand than two in the bush, etc.
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Post by dead-money on Aug 25, 2020 15:07:23 GMT
I really hope something comes from this. Since Covid-19, being an investor with AC feels like being trapped on a never-ending roller coaster ride. What the highlighted text does is cause MORE uncertainty, will they, won't they, when will they? As a customer commuication that email is a disaster.
To paraphrase "Don't panic nothings changed, but it might shortly, then again it might not or we might just reengineer the whole thing..." Oh thanks ! Stampede to exit...
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Post by Harland Kearney on Aug 25, 2020 15:19:16 GMT
I really hope something comes from this. Since Covid-19, being an investor with AC feels like being trapped on a never-ending roller coaster ride. What the highlighted text does is cause MORE uncertainty, will they, won't they, when will they? As a customer commuication that email is a disaster.
To paraphrase "Don't panic nothings changed, but it might shortly, then again it might not or we might just reengineer the whole thing..." Oh thanks ! Stampede to exit...
This basically, kinda ***** me off now, a roller coaster since March. With every other aspect of my portfilio it has either recovered or has made large profits (stocks ect). With AC, I can't decide if I should be taking a double digit discount, now a 7% discount looks good in context. Can't valuate it like I can any other asset, therefore it makes me question if I should be in at all. If I am going to sell, I will wait at least till next week, but who knows we might get a second email of "might do might not" rubbish.
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dead-money
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Post by dead-money on Aug 25, 2020 15:26:31 GMT
To quote the sage, "Be fearful when others are greedy. Be greedy when others are fearful." Flipped myself a few Ks today ;-)
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mogish
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Post by mogish on Aug 25, 2020 15:29:32 GMT
Thanks folks. Decision made. Joined the masses in the QAA. For some strange reason I have loans for sale in MLA!!! I dont have a MLA!
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Post by blender on Aug 25, 2020 16:22:10 GMT
Thanks folks. Decision made. Joined the masses in the QAA. For some strange reason I have loans for sale in MLA!!! I dont have a MLA! Don't ask questions. Sell them quick and pocket the cash .
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Post by Ace on Aug 25, 2020 16:36:21 GMT
Thanks folks. Decision made. Joined the masses in the QAA. For some strange reason I have loans for sale in MLA!!! I dont have a MLA! Don't ask questions. Sell them quick and pocket the cash . Where are my MLA loans? Think I've been Mogged!
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