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Post by m1kehunt on Oct 9, 2020 12:18:33 GMT
From Wellesely CS:
A value of £1 will appear for each peer-to-peer investment. It is important to note that this £1, is not your estimated returns and estimated returns for peer-to-peer investments remain at £0.48 per £1 owed (or £0.31 per £1 owed if you only have a suspended balance outstanding).
I think this is because we are contingent creditors?
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Post by mah on Oct 9, 2020 12:43:33 GMT
Yes.
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Post by 2boi on Oct 9, 2020 13:37:15 GMT
After voting a high court form registering your claim pops up. In section 6 there is box where you can insert disputed amount. Presume I wasted my time inserting the actual figure I am due? Does this happen after you complete the Voting or as part of the Voting process ? After you complete vote and it is a no vote.
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Post by radar on Oct 9, 2020 15:21:20 GMT
Has anybody had difficulty getting onto web site, I have my passwords ETC recorded but still cannot get onto site
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Post by ferdy on Oct 9, 2020 15:33:38 GMT
Has anybody had difficulty getting onto web site, I have my passwords ETC recorded but still cannot get onto site It's working ok for me.
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Post by mah on Oct 9, 2020 16:23:28 GMT
Working fine for me.
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Post by radar on Oct 9, 2020 16:31:49 GMT
They are telling me I am locked out and the supplied phone number is invalid,I have sent an email no reply
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Post by mah on Oct 9, 2020 17:03:53 GMT
Use the chat service, but they might be closed now (or call them).
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Post by radar on Oct 9, 2020 18:38:11 GMT
Now sorted, many thanks
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 10, 2020 11:12:57 GMT
W is being discussed on Radio 4 at this moment (now over)
Update.
BBC Radio4 Money Box
It was only a short piece, nothing new revealed. Only useful as a balanced over view.
Hopefully this will link to the piece when put on the BBC site
It starts at 6.20minutes.
Looks as if there's a repeat at 21.00 Sunday 11.10.20 (tomorrow)
The only bit I wasn't fully aware of was that W seem to suggest that the FCA banning adverts for mini-bonds along with covid meant their number was up.
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Post by mah on Oct 10, 2020 13:11:33 GMT
Yes, by Banning these Mini-Bonds Mid-Flight, FCA caused Wellesley to Fail.
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Post by johnsfield on Oct 10, 2020 13:53:37 GMT
Exclusive: Wellesley answers investor queries ahead of CVA vote. Article on P2P NEWS
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Post by Ton ⓉⓞⓃ on Oct 10, 2020 14:04:11 GMT
Exclusive: Wellesley answers investor queries ahead of CVA vote. Article on P2P NEWS
Yes, here's the link
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Post by wh on Oct 10, 2020 14:50:18 GMT
Reluctantly I have just voted for the CVA. Taking all into account it is Bob Hope or no hope and so I have gone with Bob.
Before you vote for the CVA you are given the option to put forward any modifications that you would like to be considered. I don't know what the process is for assessing these and putting these forward to other creditors. I assume they will be "assessed" and decided upon by D&P working with the directors. For what it's worth my proposed modifications are paraphrased below in no particular order of importance;
1) Directors need to seek approval from creditors for any actions not alluded to the the CVA proposal 2) A prohibition on the directors borrowing from the company/Group 3) A prohibition on investing in any more share investments including Urban and 1pm 4) Appointment of a Non Executive Director chosen by the creditors who observes at monthly board meetings and reports back to the creditors 5) Any excess of the sales proceeds of the Loan Book in excess of its carrying (written down) value to go first to settle all that was originally owed to the unsecured creditors before being available to the ordinary shareholders
My guess is that they will ignore 1 as the CVA seems to propose carte blanche for the directors, 2 , not sure whether or not it is covered in the CVA, 3 likely they will ignore as deludedly the directors seem to enthusiastically claim that these investments are in the best interests of the company, although one is being wound down anyway, just trying to prevent the proposed action in the CVA that it would be a good idea to become a majority shareholder in the other! 4 they may not like it, but I think if they want to be transparent they should open up to some form of Non Executive oversight , the supervisor will not be close enough, especially as the CVA proposals give the directors such wide powers and it is up to the directors to turn to the supervisor if anything is amiss and not the other way around, but D&P may conclude that a supervisor is there to safeguard the creditors 5 will probably ignore due to nature of unsecured creditors normally ranking bottom of the list and if the CVA is voted for then any interests are bound by that
I now have everything crossed that the directors act with integrity (!) and that the economy (!) also stays afloat enough for some sort of recovery from this situation!
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Post by 2boi on Oct 10, 2020 16:21:03 GMT
Exclusive: Wellesley answers investor queries ahead of CVA vote. Article on P2P NEWS
Yes, here's the link
Thanks. Shockingly poor article, reads like a press release from Wellesley, the title "Exclusive: Wellesley answers investor queries ahead of CVA vote" gives that away. It has no criticism, no mention that Cloverleaf got the loanbook for half price. It is one of several recent articles on Wellesley by them, all of which reflect badly on P2P Finance News. Journalism is a sad shadow of what it used to be. By the way I don't understand how it could have been an open fair sale of the loan book in a period when Wellesley were observing strict secrecy about their forthcoming CVA/admnistration. A basic question for any decent journo. One item of interest for mini bond holders though: "There have also been queries regarding Wellesley’s investments outside of the property space, such as 1pm plc and Urban Exposure. Turnbull said ...“The unsecured bond holders invested in Wellesley to provide working capital for business expansion amongst other general corporate activities. As such these proceeds were used to fund this activity.” Leaving aside the bit about 'expansion' when they were about to go bust, mini bond purchasers were actually investing not only in Wellesley but in 1pm and Urban, both of whom have no liability to the mini bond holders.
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