rocky1
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Post by rocky1 on Apr 8, 2021 13:07:32 GMT
why does the cost of administration not come from the platforms contract entitlement/interest/default interest etc.what is the point of wind down plans when the whole game changes when a platform folds and it becomes a frenzy to get their hands on as much as possible of lenders funds until it is no longer worth it for them to pursue.why cant lenders be preferred creditors when these p2p loans are arranged as the first charge spiel sort of implies.dont know if any of this is sense as after coll,ly,mt,fs etc p2p is not really about the lenders/investors best interests at all.
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Post by mah on Apr 14, 2021 21:47:36 GMT
IMO there seems to be some misunderstanding of the nature of administration & the role of the IP. The administrator are responsible to the company & its creditors. Their objective, as agreed by the CM & CC in the proposals, is to achieve a better result for creditors than if the company were wound up. Where there is uncertainty regarding how they should proceed or interpretation of facts/documents they will seek legal advice, as they have done in both the fee issue & the trust structure, if that fails to resolve the issue, they will seek directions from the court on how to proceed, as they have and would have with the trust structure if they hadnt come to an agreement with the creditors. They couldnt just decide that the 5% wouldnt be charged against legal advice & the interests of the creditors, that would be in breach of their duties, so they had to go to court. AFAICS the judge has not said that their approach was unreasonable or unlawful merely that on the balance of evidence/arguments made he 'favoured' the interpretation of the investors. The costs are costs of the administration and payable from the company estate not by investors. I think everyone would agree with the above re "the nature of administration & the role of the IP - to achieve a better result for creditors". They were also correct re seeking Court's interpretation.
However, manipulatively trying to mis-interpret Ts & Cs in one's favour doesn't seem correct. All the 3 of their legal opinions were unanimously in favour of charging the 5% (and we all know how these opinions can be tailored).
Normally, one would expect at least 1 out of 3 to have interpreted it correctly (that's why I doubt the whole business of seeking 3 legal opinions and call this manipulative), unless the Judge got it completely Wrong.
The fact that they spent the disputed 5% while the matter was still sub judice (unlike Ly) shows that they were biased, although they claimed Neutrality. That's my opinion though.
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micky
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Post by micky on Apr 28, 2021 10:16:25 GMT
Could anyone let me know when the next CC meeting with C&G is and if there is any feedback from it? I seem to remember that this week was mentioned in an earlier post but not 100%. Thanks.
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Post by michaelc on Apr 28, 2021 11:11:59 GMT
IMO there seems to be some misunderstanding of the nature of administration & the role of the IP. The administrator are responsible to the company & its creditors. Their objective, as agreed by the CM & CC in the proposals, is to achieve a better result for creditors than if the company were wound up. Where there is uncertainty regarding how they should proceed or interpretation of facts/documents they will seek legal advice, as they have done in both the fee issue & the trust structure, if that fails to resolve the issue, they will seek directions from the court on how to proceed, as they have and would have with the trust structure if they hadnt come to an agreement with the creditors. They couldnt just decide that the 5% wouldnt be charged against legal advice & the interests of the creditors, that would be in breach of their duties, so they had to go to court. AFAICS the judge has not said that their approach was unreasonable or unlawful merely that on the balance of evidence/arguments made he 'favoured' the interpretation of the investors. The costs are costs of the administration and payable from the company estate not by investors. It is surely self understanding that their first responsibility by definition is to themselves? That is the case with all living and non-living entities except suicidal ones. I therefore think it is worth considering that priority order is wrong. I'm sure you could point me at plenty of legal texts that describe the priorities as you have but in doing so it is surely implicit that the administrator is non-suicidal and therefore its first priority is to itself.
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Post by Mucho P2P on Apr 28, 2021 11:36:13 GMT
Could anyone let me know when the next CC meeting with C&G is and if there is any feedback from it? I seem to remember that this week was mentioned in an earlier post but not 100%. Thanks. The meeting was yesterday, and all under an NDA. We are constructively assisting/advising the joint administrators in ways forward for the lenders behalf. Movement is slow due to many factors from C19 to waiting to hear if an appeal is to be lodged. I can confirm the CC has been discussing options for most of this morning. I apologise for not divulging more (anything!), however I am aware that borrowers are on this platform, and we do not wish to provide them any insight into proposed future actions.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 28, 2021 11:44:59 GMT
IMO there seems to be some misunderstanding of the nature of administration & the role of the IP. The administrator are responsible to the company & its creditors. Their objective, as agreed by the CM & CC in the proposals, is to achieve a better result for creditors than if the company were wound up. Where there is uncertainty regarding how they should proceed or interpretation of facts/documents they will seek legal advice, as they have done in both the fee issue & the trust structure, if that fails to resolve the issue, they will seek directions from the court on how to proceed, as they have and would have with the trust structure if they hadnt come to an agreement with the creditors. They couldnt just decide that the 5% wouldnt be charged against legal advice & the interests of the creditors, that would be in breach of their duties, so they had to go to court. AFAICS the judge has not said that their approach was unreasonable or unlawful merely that on the balance of evidence/arguments made he 'favoured' the interpretation of the investors. The costs are costs of the administration and payable from the company estate not by investors. It is surely self understanding that their first responsibility by definition is to themselves? That is the case with all living and non-living entities except suicidal ones. I therefore think it is worth considering that priority order is wrong. I'm sure you could point me at plenty of legal texts that describe the priorities as you have but in doing so it is surely implicit that the administrator is non-suicidal and therefore its first priority is to itself. Certainly but that needs to be in context. Looking after themselves requires performing the job within the boundaries expected, not just financial, but acting with integrity, within the law etc or they wont get appointments. The fact that IP often write off chunks of their remuneration where appropriate demonstrates that looking after themselves is a broad term.
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micky
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Post by micky on Apr 28, 2021 15:53:00 GMT
Could anyone let me know when the next CC meeting with C&G is and if there is any feedback from it? I seem to remember that this week was mentioned in an earlier post but not 100%. Thanks. The meeting was yesterday, and all under an NDA. We are constructively assisting/advising the joint administrators in ways forward for the lenders behalf. Movement is slow due to many factors from C19 to waiting to hear if an appeal is to be lodged. I can confirm the CC has been discussing options for most of this morning. I apologise for not divulging more (anything!), however I am aware that borrowers are on this platform, and we do not wish to provide them any insight into proposed future actions. Many thanks, this is great.
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Mousey
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Post by Mousey on Jul 6, 2021 12:16:49 GMT
In the High Court of Justice Business and Property Courts in Manchester
Contact bpc.manchester@justice.gov.uk for information on how to be joined into the hearing. Before His Honour Judge Pearce Sitting as a Judge of the High Court At the Manchester Civil Justice Centre, 1 Bridge Street West, Manchester On 7 July 2021 In Public - by Teams 10:30 CR-2019-MAN-001065 Funding Secure Ltd Handing-down Judgment 2hours
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Post by merlin99 on Jul 6, 2021 15:46:49 GMT
Does this mean we should all be biting our lips and crossing everything including our fingers about the outcome of tomorrows hearing, or is the more likely outcome a pause whilst His Honour works out who is right and who is wrong?
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Mousey
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Post by Mousey on Jul 7, 2021 19:00:10 GMT
Daily Cause List In the High Court of Justice Business and Property Courts in Manchester Business List (ChD) Insolvency and Companies (ChD) Before His Honour Judge Pearce Sitting as a Judge of the High Court
Sitting remotely
At the Manchester Civil Justice Centre, 1 Bridge Street West, Manchester
On 8 July 2021
In Public - by Teams
10am H30MA054 Be the Best Community v Olasupo & others Application 3 hours
[Interposed at 11:30am with CR-2019-MAN-001065 Funding Secure Ltd Judgment/Consequencials 1 hour]
#confused
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Post by adrian77 on Jul 8, 2021 9:32:12 GMT
Mousey - thanks for this
I too am very confused - are the above related to the Cr-2019 etc or it is impossible to say?
I also note that FS were under adminstration in October 2019 - well here we not far off 2 years later and still masses of legal work at our expense to do
I really wonder if it is just worth cutting our losses or are we under the control of the administrators who are clearly doing very well out of this...
Wish I had never heard of these muppets.
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Post by Mousey on Sept 14, 2023 23:13:38 GMT
In the High Court of Justice Business and Property Courts in Manchester Companies and Insolvency (ChD) Before His Honour Judge Pearce Sitting as a Judge of the High Court
Sitting in Court 47 on level 10 At the Manchester Civil Justice Centre, 1 Bridge Street West, Manchester On 15th September 2023 In Public Applications List - 10:00am:
1) CR-2019-MAN-001065 30 Minute Hearing, Attended FundingSecure Limited
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