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Post by toffeeboy on Aug 11, 2021 15:22:23 GMT
Personally I think a lot of the sports needs to be taken out, a simple rule should be that if winning olympics gold isn't the pinacle of that sport then the sport shouldn't be at the olympics. All this golden slam rubbish in tennis and golf detracts from what the olympics should be, a celebration of sports that we wouldn't normally take an interest in as a collective. I was surprise when they were talking about one of the Boxers ( Not ours ) Making money in tournaments, I'd have though it was a disqualification from being an amateur yes I'd remove most of the team sports, and the likes of tennis and golf where they have no pretence of being amateur. and I'm not WOKE or PC by any means but the likes of beach Handball and beach volleyball need to come out until the Uniform regulations move with the times beach handball rules " female athletes to wear bikini bottoms with "a side width" that must be "a maximum of 10 centimeters (3.9 inches)," with a "close fit" and "cut on an upward angle toward the top of the leg." The male beach handball athletes, however, are required to wear shorts that fall 10 centimeters above the kneecap (although they "can be longer") so long as they are "not too baggy." "
Boxing allowed Pros at the olympics in Rio, the same time they did away with headgear, however only 3 pro boxers took up the opportunity, I assume this is down to the major disparity in the rules. At the Tokyo games 43 had professional experience of which 23 were less than 3 fights, I would guess that the majority of "pros" were still training to win amateur fights and the pro fights were to pay for them to continue boxing. All that said I don't agree with it. The amateur rule is very difficult though, Usain Bolt is said to have earnt $30 million. Can you count him as an amateur earning that much?
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Post by adrianc on Aug 11, 2021 15:49:38 GMT
Is somebody whose full-time training (together with living expenses) is funded by UK Athletics an "amateur"? www.uksport.gov.uk/our-work/world-class-programme"Funding is delivered in two ways:
Investing in the sport’s governing body to support Podium and Podium Potential level athletes with an array of world class services. These include coaching, training, and competition support, medical, technology and scientific services delivered by the Home Country Institutes and access to the best facilities that the UK and the World have to offer.
In addition, recognising that succeeding in Olympic and Paralympic sports effectively means a full-time commitment on behalf of athletes, UK Sport makes a contribution towards living and sporting costs via a National Lottery funded Athlete Performance Award." |
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Post by toffeeboy on Aug 11, 2021 18:03:22 GMT
Is somebody whose full-time training (together with living expenses) is funded by UK Athletics an "amateur"? www.uksport.gov.uk/our-work/world-class-programme"Funding is delivered in two ways:
Investing in the sport’s governing body to support Podium and Podium Potential level athletes with an array of world class services. These include coaching, training, and competition support, medical, technology and scientific services delivered by the Home Country Institutes and access to the best facilities that the UK and the World have to offer.
In addition, recognising that succeeding in Olympic and Paralympic sports effectively means a full-time commitment on behalf of athletes, UK Sport makes a contribution towards living and sporting costs via a National Lottery funded Athlete Performance Award."Have to be honest and say that I don't know much about the paralympics but we must have a lot of top athletes because not many of those 1,300 with podium potential are able bodied athletes. Maybe 200 if you are being generous. Personal opinion is no these aren't amateur either. They are paid to play sport, doesn't matter who is paying them. Paying expenses is acceptable, read up on Gaelic games for something that is truly amateur. The players do it for the love of the game and their clubs/counties.
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Post by registerme on Aug 12, 2021 15:12:55 GMT
Well, what with all this strain on the NHS I have to say it's smashing we've got an extra £350m / week to put into it.
We have, haven't we?
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Post by michaelc on Aug 12, 2021 15:34:24 GMT
Well, what with all this strain on the NHS I have to say it's smashing we've got an extra £350m / week to put into it. We have, haven't we? Whether or not you believe brexit was a good thing and whether or not you believe it will increase or reduce our wealth (all separate arguments) it is fact that at some point the UK reduces its commitment to keeping people like my brother and uncle in highly lucrative jobs in the EU institutions. The amount is less than the figure you quote and in my view it was a mistake for the Leave campaign not to have taken the rebate into account. In any event we are talking about low hundreds of millions of pounds per week.
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Post by registerme on Aug 12, 2021 16:06:53 GMT
Whether or not you believe brexit was a good thing and whether or not you believe it will increase or reduce our wealth (all separate arguments) it is fact that at some point the UK reduces its commitment to keeping people like my brother and uncle in highly lucrative jobs in the EU institutions. Without knowing what your brother and uncle do, in terms of their roles and responsibilities, and what their overall compensation packages are, it's impossible for me to comment. Regardless, if it's egregious, it might have been simpler to reduce them than go through the whole Brexit process. The amount is less than the figure you quote and in my view it was a mistake for the Leave campaign not to have taken the rebate into account. Agreed. But I am sure you can see how, after a year and a half of COVID, it might just stick in the throats of both NHS staff and those who've lost loved ones over the last 18 months. In any event we are talking about low hundreds of millions of pounds per week. I'm confused. Are we talking about an obscene amount of money that we should stop the EU expropriating from us, or a trivial amount of money that we shouldn't care about?
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Post by toffeeboy on Aug 13, 2021 11:24:57 GMT
Well, what with all this strain on the NHS I have to say it's smashing we've got an extra £350m / week to put into it. We have, haven't we? No not yet because we have had to pay the divorce bill of how ever many billion. We agreed to the EU budget for the set period so we have to honour our agreement but after that we are out financially, save for the ongoing pension payments. If the EU didn't cost us money then how do you explain having to pay to exit it, if we weren't leaving then we would have to continue to pay the £8 billion or more each year after the end of this budget period. I know that it wasn't £350 million and anyone with half a brain realised it wasn't that so I don't understand why remoaners continue to use this to moan about. If the bus had read "contributed £340 million" instead of "sent £350 million" then whilst you would still moan it would be correct as the accounts show that is how much we contributed to the EU. If the EU actually produced accounts then you would see the same shown in their accounts. We still sent them £250 million a week which is not a small amount still, yes some was spent on UK projects but the UK didn't get a say over which which projects (well we got a 1/28 say).
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Post by michaelc on Aug 13, 2021 15:20:16 GMT
Well, what with all this strain on the NHS I have to say it's smashing we've got an extra £350m / week to put into it. We have, haven't we? No not yet because we have had to pay the divorce bill of how ever many billion. We agreed to the EU budget for the set period so we have to honour our agreement but after that we are out financially, save for the ongoing pension payments. If the EU didn't cost us money then how do you explain having to pay to exit it, if we weren't leaving then we would have to continue to pay the £8 billion or more each year after the end of this budget period. I know that it wasn't £350 million and anyone with half a brain realised it wasn't that so I don't understand why remoaners continue to use this to moan about. If the bus had read "contributed £340 million" instead of "sent £350 million" then whilst you would still moan it would be correct as the accounts show that is how much we contributed to the EU. If the EU actually produced accounts then you would see the same shown in their accounts. We still sent them £250 million a week which is not a small amount still, yes some was spent on UK projects but the UK didn't get a say over which which projects (well we got a 1/28 say). Incredible to me that those pensions are a significant part of the total. Incredible that is until you see at close hand just how amazing their package is. One of the guiding principles my Uncle who has been at the commission for (30 is it?) years explained to me. In each benefit area, the commission has to provide benefits that are at least as good as every country in the EU as otherwise it would might disadvantage applicants from any country whose benefits in that area are better. The crucial point is this is done in each benefit area separately so that you end up with a super hybrid system of benefits with each one being at the top of the tree when looking across the eu. e.g. Holiday pay is fantastically generous as they have to be better than every other EU country. Same for travel expenses, working hours, private school provision and of course pension and retirement age... I assume its the same for all the eu institutions but can't confirm.
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Post by registerme on Sept 16, 2021 20:24:10 GMT
V good programme on BBC One tonight (probably available on iPlayer soonish) - "Patrick Kielty: One Hundred Years of Union". I've still got 40 mins to go, but so far it's been balanced and nuanced. The overriding message coming through is "the wounds are still there, Brexit is reopening them".
Whether you're a leaver or a remainer, it would, perhaps, be foolish to ignore this.
EDIT: Finished watching it now, and I think I have to correct my impression above. The overall impression is one of... nervous hope. But yeah, the thing that started to pick at the healing of the GFA was Brexit.
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Post by registerme on Sept 27, 2021 10:42:21 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Sept 28, 2021 18:28:06 GMT
The blog linked above raises the good point, that Northern Ireland's version of Brexit avoids many of the problems that the mainland is suffering, so why not extend the NIP to include Great Britain?
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Post by michaelc on Sept 28, 2021 20:22:07 GMT
The blog linked above raises the good point, that Northern Ireland's version of Brexit avoids many of the problems that the mainland is suffering, so why not extend the NIP to include Great Britain? Even better give it back to Ireland.
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Post by registerme on Sept 28, 2021 22:14:26 GMT
The blog linked above raises the good point, that Northern Ireland's version of Brexit avoids many of the problems that the mainland is suffering, so why not extend the NIP to include Great Britain? Even better give it back to Ireland. And when the ~750,000 Northern Irish protestants who consider themselves to be British a) kick off, b) demand repatriation, or c) do both, what are you going to suggest then? A united Ireland is one of the two possible confident, secure, happy and safe future outcomes for the island of Ireland. It's sure as heck not going to happen if the GB government pulls the rug out from under the protestant community, and every agreement it's signed concerning the matter in the last 25 years.
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Post by agent69 on Sept 29, 2021 9:04:04 GMT
Even better give it back to Ireland. And when the ~750,000 Northern Irish protestants who consider themselves to be British a) kick off, b) demand repatriation, or c) do both, what are you going to suggest then? A united Ireland is one of the two possible confident, secure, happy and safe future outcomes for the island of Ireland. It's sure as heck not going to happen if the GB government pulls the rug out from under the protestant community, and every agreement it's signed concerning the matter in the last 25 years. I've often thought that the Irish republic effectively colluded with the IRA by allowing them safe haven south of the border, and their ongoing claim to the north did little but fan the flames of the dispute.
I've often wondered about what a united Ireland would look like. No rubbish bins on the streets of Dublin to prevent protestant paramilitaries from placing bombs in them?
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Post by registerme on Sept 29, 2021 15:17:10 GMT
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