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Post by registerme on Jul 27, 2022 11:19:01 GMT
Take Back Control and Regaining Our Sovereignty have the air of Britain confidently bestriding the continents with confidence and self assurance. But you can tell that project has failed as all you hear is whinging about 'punishing us' and similar. Always in the context of explaining one of the painful truths of Brexit. We went through customs and it was practically the same as before Brexit! Forget Brexit Benefits, just the fact that something has not turned into a disaster is worthy of putting in writing. When many here are labouring under a misapprehension, not helped by Chris Grey's blog, that stamping our passports is a 'painful truth' Brexit disaster heralding the end of civilisation as we know it, then, yes, it is worth correcting the record with one's own personal experience. Most sensible commentators accept the delays at Dover were due to lack of staff at the French border control. Nothing to do with Brexit, blue passports or stamping passports as some would LOVE to believe. I don't know Berny. If you make a process take longer to achieve the same output, or require more resource to achieve the same output, then you've made it less productive / less efficient / more expensive. {shrug}.
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Post by benaj on Jul 27, 2022 11:26:47 GMT
When many here are labouring under a misapprehension, not helped by Chris Grey's blog, that stamping our passports is a 'painful truth' Brexit disaster heralding the end of civilisation as we know it, then, yes, it is worth correcting the record with one's own personal experience. Most sensible commentators accept the delays at Dover were due to lack of staff at the French border control. Nothing to do with Brexit, blue passports or stamping passports as some would LOVE to believe. I don't know Berny. If you make a process take longer to achieve the same output, or require more resource to achieve the same output, then you've made it less productive / less efficient / more expensive. {shrug}. it’s pointless to talk about efficiency when there’s no objective. Is clearing a backlog a priority for the French border control in Dover / Folkestone? What about our airports? anyone to accept responsibility? any measures setup to prevent any disruption?
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 27, 2022 11:27:03 GMT
Keeping the focus on the free flowing of tourists past the French passport stampers is perhaps wise, given the lack of positive facts regarding the UK's economic performance relative to other advanced economies. The Brexit effect does not seem to be boosting the UK's economy at all, now that it is free of the shackles of the EU. Is this becaue Brexit has been done wrong?
What steps could our new Prime Minister take that would take advantage of Brexit opportunities that would actually boost the economy, relative to those countries still in the EU?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 27, 2022 11:46:47 GMT
Keeping the focus on the free flowing of tourists past the French passport stampers is perhaps wise, given the lack of positive facts regarding the UK's economic performance relative to other advanced economies. The Brexit effect does not seem to be boosting the UK's economy at all, now that it is free of the shackles of the EU. Is this becaue Brexit has been done wrong? What steps could our new Prime Minister take that would take advantage of Brexit opportunities that would actually boost the economy, relative to those countries still in the EU? Is it as dire as you suggest? I'm no economist, and couldn't say how valid this table is, but 2nd in the G20 and 5th in Europe doesn't sound too bad. tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europe
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Post by keitha on Jul 27, 2022 11:59:31 GMT
Cutting VAT on Energy and Fuel Bills would be contrary to EU Rules our 5% on Energy is already at the bottom allowed
Ditto removing VAT on period products
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 27, 2022 12:01:26 GMT
Keeping the focus on the free flowing of tourists past the French passport stampers is perhaps wise, given the lack of positive facts regarding the UK's economic performance relative to other advanced economies. The Brexit effect does not seem to be boosting the UK's economy at all, now that it is free of the shackles of the EU. Is this becaue Brexit has been done wrong? What steps could our new Prime Minister take that would take advantage of Brexit opportunities that would actually boost the economy, relative to those countries still in the EU?
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Post by registerme on Jul 27, 2022 12:06:59 GMT
Keeping the focus on the free flowing of tourists past the French passport stampers is perhaps wise, given the lack of positive facts regarding the UK's economic performance relative to other advanced economies. The Brexit effect does not seem to be boosting the UK's economy at all, now that it is free of the shackles of the EU. Is this becaue Brexit has been done wrong? What steps could our new Prime Minister take that would take advantage of Brexit opportunities that would actually boost the economy, relative to those countries still in the EU? News just in. War in Europe damages economy in Europe.
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 27, 2022 12:16:34 GMT
News just in. War in Europe damages economy in Europe. Yes, but not the actual point to be taken from the article in relation to the OP.
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Post by registerme on Jul 27, 2022 12:19:37 GMT
News just in. War in Europe damages economy in Europe. Yes, but not the actual point to be taken from the article in relation to the OP. You busted me fair and square  . I haven't read the article. I'll do so after lunch!
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Post by benaj on Jul 27, 2022 12:40:08 GMT
Without tackling minimising disruption and strikes, it’s unlikely to take advantage of any opportunity forthcoming
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Post by registerme on Jul 27, 2022 12:50:59 GMT
News just in. War in Europe damages economy in Europe. Yes, but not the actual point to be taken from the article in relation to the OP. OK, I've read the article now. Is the point that "the UK's economy is suffering, but so is that of Germany and France (/ the Euro zone)"? If so it's similar to the point that Berny made above. My issue with this line of thinking is that it's close to a false equivalence. The right question is "how different (positive or negative), would the UK's economy be if Brexit had not happened"? I'm not aware of any evidence at all that would support an argument along the lines of "the UK's GDP / growth / debt / deficit" would be worse than it actually is had the UK stayed in the EU". And there is plenty of evidence to support the idea that the UK's economic position would be better had the country stayed in the EU. Just to provide a contrast to the table that Berny linked to up a few posts - IMF cuts its UK growth forecast - slowest growth of G7 in 2023. Now sure, it's an economic prediction, so needs to be taken with a pinch of salt, but...
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 28, 2022 15:19:20 GMT
Keeping the focus on the free flowing of tourists past the French passport stampers is perhaps wise, given the lack of positive facts regarding the UK's economic performance relative to other advanced economies. The Brexit effect does not seem to be boosting the UK's economy at all, now that it is free of the shackles of the EU. Is this becaue Brexit has been done wrong? What steps could our new Prime Minister take that would take advantage of Brexit opportunities that would actually boost the economy, relative to those countries still in the EU? Is it as dire as you suggest? I'm no economist, and couldn't say how valid this table is, but 2nd in the G20 and 5th in Europe doesn't sound too bad. tradingeconomics.com/country-list/gdp-annual-growth-rate?continent=europeThe problem with using this chart to make the point you are hoping to make is that the "2nd in the G20" is because the economic set-back that the UK is recovering from due to handling of Covid combined with Brexit is so much greater than similar EU countries. If you cut your finger off with an angle grinder and the doctor sews it back on, you have achieved an extroadinary 25% growth in your number of fingers, or 20% if you include the thumb. The people who didn't cut their finger off have a pathetic 0% growth.
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Post by benaj on Jul 28, 2022 15:24:38 GMT
www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-38326516I understand Brexit has been added to the OED for quite sometime, but how come no one mentions words like Bregret. Brexit is done, but if the UK wants to join another union, it’s never too late if the right one appears.
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Post by pikestaff on Jul 28, 2022 15:30:16 GMT
The problem with using this chart to make the point you are hoping to make is that the "2nd in the G20" is because the economic set-back that the UK is recovering from due to handling of Covid combined with Brexit is so much greater than similar EU countries. If you cut your finger off with an angle grinder and the doctor sews it back on, you have achieved an extroadinary 25% growth in your number of fingers, or 20% if you include the thumb. The people who didn't cut their finger off have a pathetic 0% growth. I make it 33% (from 3 to 4) or 25% (from 4 to 5), so even better! 
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 28, 2022 15:48:35 GMT
The problem with using this chart to make the point you are hoping to make is that the "2nd in the G20" is because the economic set-back that the UK is recovering from due to handling of Covid combined with Brexit is so much greater than similar EU countries. If you cut your finger off with an angle grinder and the doctor sews it back on, you have achieved an extroadinary 25% growth in your number of fingers, or 20% if you include the thumb. The people who didn't cut their finger off have a pathetic 0% growth. Yes but other people also cut their fingers or maybe parts of the their fingers off and have ended up with shorter fingers. eg Germany 2019 1.06%, 2020 -4.57%, 2021 2.89% UK 1.67%, -9.27%, 7.4%. UK seems to have ended up with longer figures than most major EU countries.
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. I haven't read the article. I'll do so after lunch!
