adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Aug 4, 2022 21:34:45 GMT
but if the EU gives us the right to referenda, but we'd get the treatment the Irish did when they voted no You mean they'd address our concerns, then make changes in order to assuage them? Is that a bad thing? Oh, wait... You do know that isn't actually what happened, right...? BTW, the "right" to a referendum always existed. It's just that the UK chose not to do it. Well, until 2011 - the European Unions Act - when the UK gov't passed a UK law that required a legally binding UK referendum before the UK signed any future treaty change.
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Post by keitha on Aug 4, 2022 22:13:03 GMT
They only didn't get made to vote again because other countries also rejected it
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Post by adrianc on Aug 5, 2022 8:05:11 GMT
They only didn't get made to vote again because other countries also rejected it Do you just make this guff up at random? The referenda in question were about ratification of the Lisbon Treaty. June 2008, Ireland voted 53.4% to 46.6% on a turnout of 53.1% against ratification. The EU came back with specific guarantees to address Irish concerns - abortion/divorce, seat on commission, tax, military neutrality. October 2009, Ireland voted 67.1% to 32.9% on a turnout of 59% for ratification. The treaty was ratified immediately afterwards, as Ireland was the last country to ratify it. I suspect you're getting confused with the 2005 Treaty Establishing a Constitution for Europe. That was rejected at referenda by France and NL, despite 18 of the then 25 members having already ratified it (including both houses of the German parliament almost unanimously) so was withdrawn and re-negotiated, resulting in the Lisbon Treaty. Ireland had planned a referendum, as had the UK and five other countries, but they were cancelled when it was withdrawn.
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Post by IFISAcava on Aug 5, 2022 12:05:53 GMT
Well after Leavers lost the first EU referendum, they kept going for 40+ years, so I think it only fair to give Remainers a similar length of time before suggesting they should quieten down a bit. If we were members of the EU for 40 years before a referendum on remaining in, wouldn't it be fair to stay out of the EU for 40years before another rerefendum on rejoining? If we are being accurate, both referendums were about staying in or not - we joined without a referendum. Personally I don't like referendums - I prefer a parliamentary system where we elect people to make decisions. Referendums (in the UK at least) are usually for political expediency rather than because governments actually think people should decide policies. So - returning to the matter at hand - I'd be quite happy for us to rejoin without a referendum at all, just like we did in the first place! After the first referendum, Parliament decided to stay in for 40 years, and Parliament should be continually deciding whether to stay out or not (whether by referendum or not) over the next 40 years.
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Post by captainconfident on Aug 17, 2022 19:19:32 GMT
An interesting essay on the two candidates for PM and the difficulty of claiming the mantle of Margaret Thatcher and the irrelevance of the issues they are talking about to most of the citizens of the country apart from the constituency they currently competing for. chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/ |
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Post by travolta on Aug 17, 2022 19:31:31 GMT
We left .
Time to move on , there's no going back.
Read Keir's lips . UK union leaders are all Putins pawns too.
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 20, 2022 15:23:45 GMT
UK union leaders are all Putins pawns too. Caught a snippet of one (rail union) on TV yesterday. He opened so many sentences with "We demand..." that I switched over rather than throw a shoe at him.
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Post by overthehill on Aug 20, 2022 16:18:54 GMT
How do you find out how much the Kremlin is donating to UK union bank accounts ? What ?
You still don't believe Russia has assets and useful idiots in every strategic country. Even the puppets in the willing countries that Russia offers to 'help' get a no strings attached deal of course.
The master strategist has just about exploded and imploded everything Russia has been secretly doing for the last 20 years.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 20, 2022 16:41:48 GMT
You still don't believe Russia has assets and useful idiots in every strategic country. 
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Post by michaelc on Aug 23, 2022 17:13:49 GMT
It seems that the 26 European members of Schengen are not able to restrict the entry of certain nationalities unless most or all of them agree. For countries like Finland with a long and troubled history with Russia and who want to prevent rich Russians entering their country on visas issued by Spain they can't do so. Yes I understand the Schengen agreement isn't the same as the EU but it is tightly coupled with it and its ethos. I am personally not all together glad we have left (and yes I know we weren't in Schengen) but things like this tip the scales for leaving non-like-minded people who wanted every closer union at the expense of national sovereignty. www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/23/helsinki-airport-russian-tourists-europe-travel-finland“If we don’t reach one, we do not rule out the possibility of looking for a regional solution that would include the Baltic states, Poland and potentially Finland,” he added, conceding however that such a move would be “difficult”.
Haavisto said Schengen rules do not allow Finland to close the border to specific nationalities since such sanctions can only be decided jointly by the EU. |
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Post by adrianc on Aug 23, 2022 17:28:52 GMT
It seems that the 26 European members of Schengen are not able to restrict the entry of certain nationalities unless most or all of them agree. Well, yes. How could you restrict access to bits of the borderless area? BTW, the UK hasn't restricted Russian tourist visas, either.
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Post by registerme on Sept 24, 2022 9:43:07 GMT
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Post by registerme on Oct 8, 2022 9:45:43 GMT
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 19, 2022 14:43:30 GMT
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