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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 11:01:23 GMT
Forgive my ignorance/naivety, but doesn't that mean our balance of trade with the EU has actually improved then? While there might be less going from us to them, there's even less still coming from them to us. On the face of it, to a simpleton like me, that sounds like a positive development. If we are now buying (let's say - and I have no idea whether it's true) more of the cars manufactured in the UK and importing fewer from France, Spain and Germany, isn't that a good thing?
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Post by mrk on Oct 20, 2022 11:22:21 GMT
Forgive my ignorance/naivety, but doesn't that mean our balance of trade with the EU has actually improved then? While there might be less going from us to them, there's even less still coming from them to us. On the face of it, to a simpleton like me, that sounds like a positive development. If we are now buying (let's say - and I have no idea whether it's true) more of the cars manufactured in the UK and importing fewer from France, Spain and Germany, isn't that a good thing? The UK is importing relatively less goods from the EU but more from non-EU countries. The trade deficit is widening. Unless you specifically want to boycott the EU for some ideological reason, I don't see how that's a good thing. UK trade: August 2022 (ONS)  
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 12:04:00 GMT
"The UK is importing relatively less goods from the EU but more from non-EU countries".
I can live with that. Along with many others, we've been boycotting (for example) EU wines and replacing them with New World/US variants since Brexit and the EU's nasty attitude (was it Tusk or Verhofstadt who proclaimed, "The UK has shot itself in the foot, so it's our job now to shoot you in the other"?).
I'm sure many principled individuals have also switched from EU cars to Korean/Japanese for similar reasons, etc. Should the EU expect anything less?
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Post by mrk on Oct 20, 2022 12:38:26 GMT
"The UK is importing relatively less goods from the EU but more from non-EU countries".
I can live with that. Along with many others, we've been boycotting (for example) EU wines and replacing them with New World/US variants since Brexit and the EU's nasty attitude (was it Tusk or Verhofstadt who proclaimed, "The UK has shot itself in the foot, so it's our job now to shoot you in the other"?). I'm sure many principled individuals have also switched from EU cars to Korean/Japanese for similar reasons, etc. Should the EU expect anything less? Well, I'm glad you're finally clear on the true motivation for Brexit.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 13:17:03 GMT
"The UK is importing relatively less goods from the EU but more from non-EU countries".
I can live with that. Along with many others, we've been boycotting (for example) EU wines and replacing them with New World/US variants since Brexit and the EU's nasty attitude (was it Tusk or Verhofstadt who proclaimed, "The UK has shot itself in the foot, so it's our job now to shoot you in the other"?). I'm sure many principled individuals have also switched from EU cars to Korean/Japanese for similar reasons, etc. Should the EU expect anything less? Well, I'm glad you're finally clear on the true motivation for Brexit. Strange conclusion to draw. It was the EU attitude during and since negotiations which led to my reaction. It was never the initial motivation for Brexit for anybody, I'm quite sure.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 14:13:16 GMT
"The UK is importing relatively less goods from the EU but more from non-EU countries".
I can live with that. Along with many others, we've been boycotting (for example) EU wines and replacing them with New World/US variants since Brexit and the EU's nasty attitude (was it Tusk or Verhofstadt who proclaimed, "The UK has shot itself in the foot, so it's our job now to shoot you in the other"?). I'm sure many principled individuals have also switched from EU cars to Korean/Japanese for similar reasons, etc. Should the EU expect anything less? Well, I'm glad you're finally clear on the true motivation for Brexit. Hilarious, as if you could replace old world wines with the generally more expensive, higher carbon footprint, less interesting wines from the new world.
Speaking as an educated wine taster, you understand ( I have qualifications and stuff)
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2022 14:45:18 GMT
Well, I'm glad you're finally clear on the true motivation for Brexit. Strange conclusion to draw. It was the EU attitude during and since negotiations which led to my reaction. It was never the initial motivation for Brexit for anybody, I'm quite sure. Mmm. What "attitude" would that be? "No, the four freedoms - which predate your membership by two decades and are an utterly inviolable foundation - can't be separated to suit your xenophobia" ?
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Post by travolta on Oct 20, 2022 14:58:01 GMT
Talking of Logistics
Anybody have any cultural/ culinarysuggestions for 7 dys spent between DFDS Dover and Aachen early this December ...prefer off the beaten track stuff if possible ,but all recommendations welcome .
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 15:14:22 GMT
Well, I'm glad you're finally clear on the true motivation for Brexit. Hilarious, as if you could replace old world wines with the generally more expensive, higher carbon footprint, less interesting wines from the new world.
Speaking as an educated wine taster, you understand
Then your oenology knowledge could profitably be expanded... three new world choices in the top 10. At my price point (which lies considerably south of this little lot!) Oz/NZ/US/SA wines are at least as good and usually better than anything from Europe.
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 15:16:40 GMT
Strange conclusion to draw. It was the EU attitude during and since negotiations which led to my reaction. It was never the initial motivation for Brexit for anybody, I'm quite sure. Mmm. What "attitude" would that be? If you remain blind to it after all this time, I'm not sure I can help.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 20, 2022 15:17:28 GMT
Mmm. What "attitude" would that be? If you remain blind to it after all this time, I'm not sure I can help. Please try, because as far as I can tell, all the "attitude" came from one side.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Oct 20, 2022 15:19:38 GMT
Hilarious, as if you could replace old world wines with the generally more expensive, higher carbon footprint, less interesting wines from the new world.
Speaking as an educated wine taster, you understand
Then your oenology knowledge could profitably be expanded... three new world choices in the top 10. At my price point (which lies considerably south of this little lot!) Oz/NZ/US/SA wines are at least as good and usually better than anything from Europe. I am not sure there is much point discussing above your level, unless you can blow your own trumpet whilst drinking wine as well?
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Post by bernythedolt on Oct 20, 2022 15:34:21 GMT
If you remain blind to it after all this time, I'm not sure I can help. Please try, because as far as I can tell, all the "attitude" came from one side. On March 30, 2017, the European Parliament’s representative to Brexit, the liberal Belgian MEP Guy Verhofstadt said: ‘Britain has shot itself in the foot.' "“We intend to shoot you in the other [...] That seems to me a decent indication of what the British might expect.'" And from an independent thinker… Historian and head of an Icelandic free-market think tank Hjörtur J. Guðmundsson said: "Obviously the EU wants to punish Brexit Britain”. Mr Guðmundsson added: "I can say this: 'if the leaders of the EU are so convinced that their club is a desirable one and the British are making a huge mistake, then why should they make life difficult for Britain? "Why shouldn't they help them? Knowing that in a few years Britain would recognise its mistake and come back asking for membership again? "The EU would be in a much stronger position to ask for certain things and ask them to adopt the euro, for example." He concluded: "Why are they trying to make an example of Britain for other EU members? "It suggests EU leaders don't have much confidence in this project and that they don't actually believe it is a great club to be in." I haven't even touched upon Monsieur Macron's spiteful attitude to the UK yet...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 15:36:58 GMT
Talking of Logistics Anybody have any cultural/ culinarysuggestions for 7 dys spent between DFDS Dover and Aachen early this December ...prefer off the beaten track stuff if possible ,but all recommendations welcome . Aachen is on the Rhine if I remember correctly and between Dover and there is the wasteland of Belgium and Holland ( I could give you the 8 standard items on every restaurant menu if you like)
Obviously Mussels and Belgian beer (Dutch Beer is getting better but still has a long way to catch up)
I'd look south along the Rhine and into the Mosel for wine and Flamkuchen (even federwies and onion tart. Places to stop well the Ahr valley has barely recovered from the Floods. I might stop in at Urzig along the Mosel, little place with some good restaurants and wineries. If interested I can be more detailed
If you want nice places to stay in Netherlands I can also advise, I give up on southern Belgium
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Post by registerme on Oct 20, 2022 15:39:16 GMT
Really bernythedolt, if you're going down that route it's surely only fair to include all the spiteful, aggressive, xenophobic mouthings uttered by many in the UK press and political classes? Many of them downright lies. Christ, even Steve Baker apologised recently... |
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