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Post by agent69 on Jan 15, 2021 16:27:48 GMT
The city of London handles 75% of Euro denominated derivative trades. I'm certain Paris and Frankfurt would like a slice of that pie, but their resources are currently minute compared to London. Of course they would like a slice of that pie. And we are handing it to them on a plate. How very generous of Brexiteers But we're getting a big slice of fish pie in return
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Post by travolta on Jan 15, 2021 16:40:56 GMT
We dont like change, and this thread is' carping therapy' ,while in lockdown limbo. However its been and gone and done , so time to look forward and plan strategy. Any body else prepared to B Positive, because its all up for grabs.
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Post by jlend on Jan 15, 2021 16:59:50 GMT
It is the support and back office jobs that may be cut over time that is also the unknown, both in London and elsewhere in the UK. For example I have worked for JP Morgan Chase in the past in Bournemouth, 4,000 people are there... A bad outcome on the ongoing financial services talks between the EU and the UK could put at least a proportion of jobs at risk across the country, not just in London. I would be wary of assuming much, either good or bad, for at least another 12 months until things settle down. I absolutely agrre with this.
The problem is that losts of people spout all sorts of numbers without any perspective. I'm certain there will be job losses in the financial sector (I think 85,000 was mentioned as a worst case scenario) but that is from an enormously high level. The city of London handles 75% of Euro denominated derivative trades. I'm certain Paris and Frankfurt would like a slice of that pie, but their resources are currently minute compared to London.
We can only hope Boris and his gang put a lot of effort into the professional services deals being negotiated at the moment. I don't know how many jobs are at risk, I don't think we will hear anything concrete yet from companies, other than the odd mention of staff transferring to Europe or elsewhere, together with more business gradually being booked in Europe or elsewhere rather than the UK. The focus on fishing seems bizarre. There are circa 12K people in the UK working on finishing vessels (circa 8K FTE) and 19k FTE people in fish processing. I can't see having a larger catch making a huge difference in terms of the number of people. I am all for making sure fishing gets a fair deal, but there are more important areas of the economy IMHO. I don't know how fishing became such a big deal.
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 15, 2021 17:15:11 GMT
We dont like change, and this thread is' carping therapy' ,while in lockdown limbo. However its been and gone and done , so time to look forward and plan strategy. Any body else prepared to B Positive, because its all up for grabs. We're now into the 15th day of the 'new world', it's only just begun. It just took us 4.5 years to decide quite exactly how much "opportunity" we wanted to legislate for ourselves. Nonetheless, would be genuinely very glad to hear what you and/or others feel the positive forward-looking strategy is from here on out for Brexit Britain. The previously very supportive right-wing media seem strangely silent on that particular topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 17:21:08 GMT
But we're getting a big slice of fish pie in return Happy fish pie!!! If we have much of a fishing industry left now that we've sabotaged trading relations with their biggest customers... The brave new Brexit world - happy fish and sad fishermen
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 15, 2021 17:25:19 GMT
I absolutely agrre with this.
The problem is that losts of people spout all sorts of numbers without any perspective. I'm certain there will be job losses in the financial sector (I think 85,000 was mentioned as a worst case scenario) but that is from an enormously high level. The city of London handles 75% of Euro denominated derivative trades. I'm certain Paris and Frankfurt would like a slice of that pie, but their resources are currently minute compared to London.
We can only hope Boris and his gang put a lot of effort into the professional services deals being negotiated at the moment. I don't know how many jobs are at risk, I don't think we will hear anything concrete yet from companies, other than the odd mention of staff transferring to Europe or elsewhere, together with more business gradually being booked in Europe or elsewhere rather than the UK. The focus on fishing seems bizarre. There are circa 12K people in the UK working on finishing vessels (circa 8K FTE) and 19k FTE people in fish processing. I can't see having a larger catch making a huge difference in terms of the number of people. I am all for making sure fishing gets a fair deal, but there are more important areas of the economy IMHO. I don't know how fishing became such a big deal. I think it's just because 'the people' can relate to fishermen, whilst they can't quite so much to high finance. Not that that's done the fishermen any good either in the end anyway as the new red tape leaves fish to rot. (that link is from the Telegraph by the way. Even they haven't bothered to spin this 'opportunity')
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Post by IFISAcava on Jan 15, 2021 17:56:23 GMT
We dont like change, and this thread is' carping therapy' ,while in lockdown limbo. However its been and gone and done , so time to look forward and plan strategy. Any body else prepared to B Positive, because its all up for grabs. That may be what Brexiteers like to think, but whilst is has certainly been, I am afraid it hasn't gone anywhere, and I doubt it is ever going to be "done" looking at the details of the agreement. You don't open up a wedge in the country, dig it as deep as possible, and then just by saying "OK it's over now" go back to normal. It took 47 years for Europhobes to undo the 1973 entry, and I reckon it'll take less than that for Europhiles to (largely) undo the 2020 exit.
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Post by jlend on Jan 15, 2021 18:00:30 GMT
We dont like change, and this thread is' carping therapy' ,while in lockdown limbo. However its been and gone and done , so time to look forward and plan strategy. Any body else prepared to B Positive, because its all up for grabs. We're now into the 15th day of the 'new world', it's only just begun. It just took us 4.5 years to decide quite exactly how much "opportunity" we wanted to legislate for ourselves. Nonetheless, would be genuinely very glad to hear what you and/or others feel the positive forward-looking strategy is from here on out for Brexit Britain. The previously very supportive right-wing media seem strangely silent on that particular topic. I expect huge state interventions to try and grow some sectors, for example ideas coming out of university research and tech in general. This takes time though and Rishi hasn't got a lot of money to play with, as well as supporting the current businesses who may be struggling or thinking of scaling back in the UK. A lot of the right wing media are focused on worrying about buy to let, wealth tax, inheritance tax, pension tax, house stamp duty, having a smaller state with less state intervention and red tape, moaning about civil servants etc. It is hard for the press to find anything positive to say in a news article about Brexit at the moment, further complicated by Covid. The 5% sanitary tax, fish quota changes, a pesticide emergency authorisation (that unfortunately kills bees as a side effect) have been about as good as it gets. It is what it is, there is not a lot to say. Announcements on cutting back on red tape are going to sound a bit pathetic IMHO at the moment. Perhaps we will see some positive press after the budget on 3rd March.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 15, 2021 18:13:23 GMT
You don't open up a wedge in the country, dig it as deep as possible, and then just by saying "OK it's over now" go back to normal. The Republicans are trying that right now in the US.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2021 18:19:24 GMT
It is hard for the press to find anything positive to say in a news article about Brexit at the moment, further complicated by Covid. The 5% sanitary tax, fish quota changes, a pesticide emergency authorisation (that unfortunately kills bees as a side effect) have been about as good as it gets. Crikey, if the fishing situation really is the best you can think of, then Brexit really is a mess. Turns out, you can catch all the fish you like, but not many people want to buy fish that have been rotting in customs for days. Who knew?
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 15, 2021 20:52:19 GMT
It is hard for the press to find anything positive to say in a news article about Brexit at the moment, further complicated by Covid. The 5% sanitary tax, fish quota changes, a pesticide emergency authorisation (that unfortunately kills bees as a side effect) have been about as good as it gets. Crikey, if the fishing situation really is the best you can think of, then Brexit really is a mess. Turns out, you can catch all the fish you like, but not many people want to buy fish that have been rotting in customs for days. Who knew? Despite reading an awful lot about politics, I watch very very little of politicians on TV/video. Can't bear them usually, even if I agree with them. My Mother though, of all people, convinced me to watch this short clip from the House of Commons from 2 years ago. I'm glad I did, it's superb. Absolutely dismantles the nonsense. "...<why have we allowed fishing quota to be sold to foreign firms>, that's not Europe doing that, it's because this place <HoC> has never cared about fishing. It was always expendable. Until now. But oh it's been a very useful ploy around Brexit"
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Post by adrianc on Jan 16, 2021 9:15:38 GMT
My Mother though, of all people, convinced me to watch this short clip from the House of Commons from 2 years ago. I'm glad I did, it's superb. Absolutely dismantles the nonsense. "...<why have we allowed fishing quota to be sold to foreign firms>, that's not Europe doing that, it's because this place <HoC> has never cared about fishing. It was always expendable. Until now. But oh it's been a very useful ploy around Brexit" Now look at who was saying it... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippa_WhitfordVERY much the kind of person we need more of in Parliament, whether you agree with her politics and positions or not.
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Post by travolta on Jan 16, 2021 17:05:56 GMT
Remainers still remoaning.And I thought p2p-ers were innovative and responded to challenge. I would suggest the reopening of local banks , offering personal service.
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Post by jonno on Jan 16, 2021 17:16:07 GMT
Remainers still remoaning.And I thought p2p-ers were innovative and responded to challenge. I would suggest the reopening of local banks , offering personal service. I'm afraid you're wasting your breath with the majority of this sad bunch. The really pathetic aspect is that some of them (you know who you are) are just willing the country to fail just so they can show how they were all right all along. I'm saying this as someone who voted to remain. For God's sake we're SIXTEEN days in. Just pack it in and MOVE ON.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 17:17:10 GMT
Remainers still remoaning.And I thought p2p-ers were innovative and responded to challenge. I would suggest the reopening of local banks , offering personal service. Yeah, sure. All the problems mentioned are just people remoaning. Even the fishing industry who voted heavily for Brexit are just remoaning Typical delusional Brexiteer nonsense.
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