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Post by dan1 on Feb 3, 2021 18:01:15 GMT
What are your thoughts on the big B so far?
Exactly how I thought it would pan out.
- A poor deal
- A colossal waste of time and money (the money cost side still being counted every day, of course).
- Pro-brexit politicians falling over themselves to spout jingoistic claptrap at any opportunity - Pro-brexit politicians feigning surprise over the mess, but being unable to offer any solutions due to the handcuffs of the poor deal
Before Brexit D-Day, I saw no pros. Only cons.
I still see no pros, only cons.
Its going to take a generation (or more) to fix the cons.
By which time most of the world will have given up with the UK's jingoistic bull excrement and moved on independently.
The EU is not perfect. But the UK had a major seat at the EU table. It was foolish in the extreme to give up that seat.
I do hate the way you sit on the fence @wallstreet
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Post by dan1 on Feb 3, 2021 18:02:14 GMT
Nothing wrong with a daft mood, we all post here for a bit of fun so whatever it takes. You'd only poll the NI people. Imagine if brexit had been decided on an EU wide vote. But then what if say Cornwall wanted to become independent? I think most people would imagine that would take a vote across the UK to agree to that. MAybe not ? Yes N.Ir clearly isn't Cornwall but at some point there is a line, where is it drawn and who draws it ? Not always easy to answer questions. Indeed but the cat is now well and truly out of the bag. Anyone mentioned Scotland yet?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:03:43 GMT
Indeed but the cat is now well and truly out of the bag. Anyone mentioned Scotland yet? Now there is an interesting question. Which one leaves the UK first? N.Ireland or Scotland?
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Post by adrianc on Feb 3, 2021 18:10:43 GMT
But then what if say Cornwall wanted to become independent? I think most people would imagine that would take a vote across the UK to agree to that. MAybe not ? Yes N.Ir clearly isn't Cornwall but at some point there is a line, where is it drawn and who draws it ? Not always easy to answer questions. Indeed but the cat is now well and truly out of the bag. Anyone mentioned Scotland yet? D'you think they could provide a reasonable precedent as to how a referendum to leave the UK might be done...? Now there is an interesting question. Which one leaves the UK first? N.Ireland or Scotland? A year ago, the answer would have been obvious. Now? Could easily go either way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:16:36 GMT
Now there is an interesting question. Which one leaves the UK first? N.Ireland or Scotland? A year ago, the answer would have been obvious. Now? Could easily go either way. And just think how happy the fish will be with their new Irish and Scottish passports
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 3, 2021 18:37:31 GMT
Scotland's problem is it wants to be in the EU, but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. Or Scotland has to join the queue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 18:56:34 GMT
Scotland's problem is it wants to be in the EU, but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. Or Scotland has to join the queue. Which still gives Scotland a much better chance of rejoining the EU if it is outside the UK.
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Post by dan1 on Feb 3, 2021 18:57:19 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Feb 3, 2021 18:59:30 GMT
...but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. And Spain always said that they'd veto Scottish accession pre-Brexit, precisely because of the Basque/Catalan issues. Pre-Brexit. Now? Who knows... 2018 - www.reuters.com/article/uk-spain-politics-scotland-idUKKCN1NP25PThere is no "queue". Just candidates. And there aren't any serious ones at the moment... Scotland would quite simply tick pretty much all the accession chapters straight off, simply because they were a member until very recently. It'd more or less go straight to a vote of members. Would anybody veto? IIRC there's only been one candidate vetoed in the entire history to date...
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Post by ilmoro on Feb 3, 2021 19:09:47 GMT
Indeed but the cat is now well and truly out of the bag. Anyone mentioned Scotland yet? Now there is an interesting question. Which one leaves the UK first? N.Ireland or Scotland? N Ireland, they have somewhere to go which puts them in a much stronger position than Scotland. Negotiations for Scexit will make Brexit look like a walk in the park
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Post by captainconfident on Feb 3, 2021 19:29:54 GMT
Now there is an interesting question. Which one leaves the UK first? N.Ireland or Scotland? N Ireland, they have somewhere to go which puts them in a much stronger position than Scotland. Negotiations for Scexit will make Brexit look like a walk in the park Thinking about Scotland in the EU, the main A1 transport link from Greece runs through North Macedonia and Serbia. I wonder how that works in terms of documents? Talking of documents, we gradually realised that the software supplier's Customs Declaration software was not fit for purpose. Only released 1st Jan and the paying users were essentially being used to test it. So subcontracting the customs decs until we can find software that works. Irony is, the larger company we handed the work to has cocked up the first movement, 8 pallets of beer from Denmark stuck in Harwich, will be returned to sender, wrong paperwork. I had to give that a frosty smile after the three weeks of misery we've had. Practically no income in January, only costs. Actually, I did process some imports from Greece last year, but it was just the usual EMCS (For anyone on this logistics thread who speaks transport-language).
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Post by ceejay on Feb 3, 2021 20:14:59 GMT
Now there is an interesting question. Which one leaves the UK first? N.Ireland or Scotland? N Ireland, they have somewhere to go which puts them in a much stronger position than Scotland. Negotiations for Scexit will make Brexit look like a walk in the park NI leaving the UK to join in with the Republic would solve a lot of problems. I'm sure Boris would love it. The absence of the NI seats in Westminster makes parliamentary majorities easier, for one. Of course there would be the minor matter of a few thousand dead from a new wave of Troubles but that would be Dublin's problem by then...
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 3, 2021 20:19:06 GMT
Scotland's problem is it wants to be in the EU, but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. Or Scotland has to join the queue. Which still gives Scotland a much better chance of rejoining the EU if it is outside the UK. Eventually maybe.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 3, 2021 20:24:56 GMT
...but if the EU give Scotland a pass it leaves it open for other potential breakaway EU regions to join, which some EU countries wouldn't like. And Spain always said that they'd veto Scottish accession pre-Brexit, precisely because of the Basque/Catalan issues. Pre-Brexit. Now? Who knows... 2018 - www.reuters.com/article/uk-spain-politics-scotland-idUKKCN1NP25PThere is no "queue". Just candidates. And there aren't any serious ones at the moment... Scotland would quite simply tick pretty much all the accession chapters straight off, simply because they were a member until very recently. It'd more or less go straight to a vote of members. Would anybody veto? IIRC there's only been one candidate vetoed in the entire history to date... Queue might be the wrong word but they have to jump through hoops, and that will take time. Scotland was never a member state just a part of an ex-member state.
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Post by agent69 on Feb 3, 2021 20:38:40 GMT
Nothing wrong with a daft mood, we all post here for a bit of fun so whatever it takes. You'd only poll the NI people. Imagine if brexit had been decided on an EU wide vote. But then what if say Cornwall wanted to become independent? I think most people would imagine that would take a vote across the UK to agree to that. MAybe not ? Yes N.Ir clearly isn't Cornwall but at some point there is a line, where is it drawn and who draws it ? Not always easy to answer questions. I'd say carry on. Their pasties are , the roads are awful, and it rains every time I cross the berder. However, I do take your point.
How would the poison dwarf react if immediately after we gave independence to Scotland, the Shetland I slands demanded independence.
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