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Post by bracknellboy on Oct 25, 2020 16:16:22 GMT
Oh yes GDPR - that great invention to cover every website known to man with a pop-up warning full of text and a mandatory button to press to continue. GDPR directly affects - as in impedes - my work, and causes me additional effort and time to ensure i can demonstrate to clients it is safe to do business with us.
Do I get a bit irritated by the fact that every time I go to a new website I have to explicitely accept to enable them to do stuff ? Yes.
Am I happy that GDPR now enforces an explicit 'opt-in' strategy to all sorts of things ? Am I happy it lays down strict rules about sharing of PI ? Am I happy that it requires strict governance around e.g. cross bordering / ex-EU transfer of data ? Am I happy that it puts governance around e.g. 3rd party data processors ? Hell yes.
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 25, 2020 16:56:41 GMT
Five years is a long time and opinions will change. While the crunch in January will be bad to very bad, logistics will be sorted out over six months with various price rises taking care of added costs/ tariffs/ shortages. The damage of leaving the EU will be in the ensuing insidious slow decline, mirroring that of our international reputation.
As touched on above, this this decline weill be in large part because our invisibles trade with the EU is in surplus and that almost pays for deficit in imports of food and manufactures from the EU. While you can demand that our financial services sector "find new markets" to replace this, they have largely reacted by moving their establishment to other juridictions, leaving less to tax and diminishing employment and economic activity in the UK. While our negotiators are likely to come to an agreement with the EU to allow their lorries to keep rolling in and returning even more empty than they are now, the government has been wrecked on the rocks of its populist approach where it assumes its new supporters despise the wicked bankers and London and the wicked bankers from London and so has not even attempted to include their economic future in their negotiations which are focused insanely on fish and a Corbyn style industrial policy.
Of course, this economic decline relative to our peers can be conflated and palmed-off on the costs of the gvt's corona strategy, which is why Cummings was keen to end the Transition Period during the Corona-crisis. But in 5 years time it will be evident.
By the time of the Scottish Indyref 2, which will almost inevitably take place within the next five years, sweetened for the Nationalists by a promise to rejoin the EU, opinion in the rump dis-United Kingdom will see the d-UK knocking on the door of the EU asking the same terms as the Scots are getting. Especially so if there is a change of government. item 1 on the Tory agenda next year will be and must be to block the Scots from voting. And the more overtly they have to do this, the stronger the Nationalist cause will become. This will be one of the big issues of 2021.
Didn't mean to write an essay, but this is how I see things going.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 25, 2020 17:47:53 GMT
By the time of the Scottish Indyref 2, which will almost inevitably take place within the next five years, sweetened for the Nationalists by a promise to rejoin the EU, opinion in the rump dis-United Kingdom will see the d-UK knocking on the door of the EU asking the same terms as the Scots are getting. Especially so if there is a change of government. item 1 on the Tory agenda next year will be and must be to block the Scots from voting. And the more overtly they have to do this, the stronger the Nationalist cause will become. This will be one of the big issues of 2021. Plus Irish reunification, strengthened by having been sold down the river with the Withdrawal deal borders farce. Which leaves Wales. Support for independence isn't at Scottish levels... yet. But polls showed it up from 25% in June (the highest ever) to 32% by August... I live less than a mile from the border. Friends in this village live right on it - and I mean literally cross-the-road-cross-the-border. We're seeing a taste of the silliness with the lockdown variations. Now imagine what'll happen if there really IS an international border... The left verge in this photo is England. The right verge is Wales.  See that house in the middle of the shot? It's on the right of the road, which has just bent ever so slightly.  The house is on the Welsh side, right? No. It's in England. Because the border continues straight where the road bends - the border goes up that dark tunnel of trees, which is a public footpath, an ancient drover's route. There are roads round here where your only clue as to which side of the border you're on is whether the bend just says "SLOW" or whether it says "ARAF" as well... The two councils often maintain each other's bits of road accidentally, and don't recharge because they know it'll balance out over time. I live equidistant from two towns. One is in England, the other in Wales. The blood donation events in the English town are run by the Welsh blood donation service.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 25, 2020 20:05:08 GMT
I'm sure you wouldn't do it if we met face to face. tbh, I'm so sick of Brexiteers making stupid claims on here like 1950s food rationing being wonderful, that I wouldn't be so certain about that. And yes, I view opposition to a badly needed consumer privacy/protection law as counterbalance to corporate interests, simply because someone cant be bothered to click a button, as pretty high on the stupid scale too. I do find these personal attacks distasteful. Play the ball not the man! I hope michaelc is 6ft 9'' built like the proverbial and calls you out! Most of the comments about food in the 50s were more about the fact that the diet was actually good (and probably better than a lot of people eat now), ie, low in fat, low in sugar, low in red meat, etc, not that rationing was 'wonderful'.
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Post by martin44 on Oct 25, 2020 21:25:55 GMT
tbh, I'm so sick of Brexiteers making stupid claims on here like 1950s food rationing being wonderful, that I wouldn't be so certain about that. And yes, I view opposition to a badly needed consumer privacy/protection law as counterbalance to corporate interests, simply because someone cant be bothered to click a button, as pretty high on the stupid scale too. I do find these personal attacks distasteful. Play the ball not the man! I hope michaelc is 6ft 9'' built like the proverbial and calls you out! Most of the comments about food in the 50s were more about the fact that the diet was actually good (and probably better than a lot of people eat now), ie, low in fat, low in sugar, low in red meat, etc, not that rationing was 'wonderful'. Every tuppence ha'penny "celeb" seems to be an expert dietitian these days. 
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Post by martin44 on Oct 25, 2020 22:03:54 GMT
Couple that with the so called child poverty starvation problems in the uk ... Jeez..
edit... If only kids could eat 55" TV'S
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Post by r00lish67 on Oct 26, 2020 8:42:02 GMT
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Post by dan1 on Oct 26, 2020 9:27:21 GMT
Imagine this being one of your less ****** up ideas. ^ stolen from the King of Calling BS 
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Post by dan1 on Oct 26, 2020 9:31:02 GMT
Ok, politics aside...
What purchases, if any, should I consider bringing forward? I've heard that grocery prices could rise but what about other stuff? Say white goods, furniture, computing, home electrical, clothing etc.
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Post by JamesFrance on Oct 26, 2020 9:55:16 GMT
Ok, politics aside... What purchases, if any, should I consider bringing forward? I've heard that grocery prices could rise but what about other stuff? Say white goods, furniture, computing, home electrical, clothing etc. Most of that comes from China now but you might consider buying that Ferrari you always wanted.
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Post by failedtheturingtest on Oct 26, 2020 14:26:41 GMT
What purchases, if any, should I consider bringing forward? Last year sometime, a fellow who runs an independent wine shop told me that wine from outside Europe was likely to be affected just as badly as European wine, because most wine that comes in to the UK doesn't travel here directly from the country where it is made. It is usually consolidated into a much larger shipment that travels to a European port like Rotterdam, where it is broken up into smaller consignments and forwarded on to distributors and bottlers in each country. This produces much better economies of scale on the longest part of the journey. Pre-Brexit, moving wine onwards from the European port into the UK was fairly frictionless, but post-Brexit, this will become a process of re-exporting the wine from the EU, and it will be subject to customs forms and inspections, perhaps tariffs, and at the very least it will have to travel through the ports of entry to the UK that used to be fairly free-flowing but will now be bottlenecks, jammed up with all sorts of products that are having to be processed and inspected as they haven't been before. The wine shop owner was definitely of the opinion that this was a Very Bad Thing, that his life as a wine seller was going to become much more difficult, and that my life as a wine drinker was going to become at least somewhat more expensive. I have been stocking up ever since then, in the hope of beating expected wine price inflation.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2020 14:59:19 GMT
What purchases, if any, should I consider bringing forward? Last year sometime, a fellow who runs an independent wine shop told me that wine from outside Europe was likely to be affected just as badly as European wine, because most wine that comes in to the UK doesn't travel here directly from the country where it is made. It is usually consolidated into a much larger shipment that travels to a European port like Rotterdam, where it is broken up into smaller consignments and forwarded on to distributors and bottlers in each country. This produces much better economies of scale on the longest part of the journey. Pre-Brexit, moving wine onwards from the European port into the UK was fairly frictionless, but post-Brexit, this will become a process of re-exporting the wine from the EU, and it will be subject to customs forms and inspections, perhaps tariffs, and at the very least it will have to travel through the ports of entry to the UK that used to be fairly free-flowing but will now be bottlenecks, jammed up with all sorts of products that are having to be processed and inspected as they haven't been before. The wine shop owner was definitely of the opinion that this was a Very Bad Thing, that his life as a wine seller was going to become much more difficult, and that my life as a wine drinker was going to become at least somewhat more expensive. I have been stocking up ever since then, in the hope of beating expected wine price inflation. ...and, if all else fails, at least you can drown your sorrows.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Oct 26, 2020 15:37:50 GMT
What purchases, if any, should I consider bringing forward? Last year sometime, a fellow who runs an independent wine shop told me that wine from outside Europe was likely to be affected just as badly as European wine, because most wine that comes in to the UK doesn't travel here directly from the country where it is made. It is usually consolidated into a much larger shipment that travels to a European port like Rotterdam, where it is broken up into smaller consignments and forwarded on to distributors and bottlers in each country. This produces much better economies of scale on the longest part of the journey. Pre-Brexit, moving wine onwards from the European port into the UK was fairly frictionless, but post-Brexit, this will become a process of re-exporting the wine from the EU, and it will be subject to customs forms and inspections, perhaps tariffs, and at the very least it will have to travel through the ports of entry to the UK that used to be fairly free-flowing but will now be bottlenecks, jammed up with all sorts of products that are having to be processed and inspected as they haven't been before. The wine shop owner was definitely of the opinion that this was a Very Bad Thing, that his life as a wine seller was going to become much more difficult, and that my life as a wine drinker was going to become at least somewhat more expensive. I have been stocking up ever since then, in the hope of beating expected wine price inflation. Naked Wines claim to get all their wines directly from the winemakers from all around the world, hope they've got all their ducks in a row for Brexit. It's finished now so too late to help, but this was an initiative on Naked Wines to help struggling French winemakers (things are tough all over): ' 3,000 Angels needed to help French winemakers going through tough times
Small-scale artisan winemakers in France are going through their toughest year in living memory. These guys rely on bars and restaurants, wine fairs and tourism to sell their wines, so they’ve really struggled. Millions of bottles of wine are stuck in cellars, going nowhere.
With bills mounting, and the need to clear space for this year’s vintage, many winemakers are resorting to selling their wines in bulk to the government for a pittance, to turn them into hand sanitiser. That’s why we’ve decided to help.
Play your part in helping France’s little winemakers stay in business, and in return you’ll get a one-off case of restaurant-quality wines we’d never normally get, from some of the most talented artisan winemakers in France'
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Post by captainconfident on Oct 26, 2020 17:19:58 GMT
May I say that the 'Fin-tech' comment from the Twitter user above had me in stitches.
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Post by adrianc on Oct 26, 2020 19:28:48 GMT
First off, as alluded to by our resident piss artist ( failedtheturingtest ), ex-EU stuff tends to come in via mainland Europe, in particular the Netherlands. Many (the majority ?) of manufacturers have their master (or only) European distribution centre in the Netherlands. So there is the possibility of delays and increased costs getting it out of the EU into the UK. The manufacturers will have local in-country third-party channel distributors scattered around the place, these third parties may or may not hold any stock, but in any event, any new stock will come through the EU MDC, almost always based in EU mainland.
It even has a name, the "Rotterdam Effect" - and it's argued both ways as to how it impacts the UK-EU trade figures.
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